20:02:08 #startmeeting 20:02:08 Meeting started Thu May 27 20:02:08 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02:18 hi mel 20:02:35 can you give me an email id to share a google doc with you 20:02:35 #info hopeful news. We potentially have 5 attendees. 20:02:41 alolita: metamel@gmail 20:02:47 ok hold on 20:03:26 (although depending on what it is, we may want to move it to the wiki if it's ok to go public.) 20:04:33 yes i agree - let's review it first 20:04:50 i have the application from tony wasserman 20:05:03 Ok - and Sameer? 20:05:08 and sameer verma said he will be emailing me the responses also 20:05:15 We had 2 new applicants in the past day, which is good. 20:05:15 * quaid here 20:05:18 i also have another confirmed attendee from stanford 20:05:20 yay, quaid! 20:05:23 excellent 20:05:24 alolita: Ok, I need applications. :) 20:05:47 mel - i know the drill :-) 20:05:58 TBH, I wish the new apps I was seeing had more thought put into them. One is entirely sentence fragments. 20:06:04 the whole thing is less than 500 characters. 20:06:20 who sent you the new apps ? 20:06:26 any schools locally? 20:06:29 So I'll probably write back and say "can you please elaborate?" 20:06:53 One SFSU prof (not Sameer), one adjunct from SFSU who also teaches classes at a few other local colleges. 20:06:56 well - i think we should just ask them in detail on email and followup as well as get more details when they attend 20:07:05 good :-) 20:07:22 Yeah, I'd like more details before we get the +1, but I'll let them know about that tonight. Should hear back by this time next week. 20:07:40 my biggest concern at poor applications is ... 20:07:44 * ianweller notes that this sounds like good news 20:07:45 can you share the responses on the questions from these folks 20:07:48 The last prof may need to leave a little early on Saturday, but is a great candidate and is generally able to make it. 20:07:54 good 20:07:54 alolita: Absolutely. 20:08:01 impedence miss between POSSE goals and their expectations. 20:08:16 quaid: Yes, agreed. I think a small class will help with that, though. But it is a concern of mine. 20:08:32 we have dr. white (my good friend of open source) from stanford who wants to attend 20:08:38 esp. the last responses you shared, it was focused on getting up to speed on software development tools 20:08:56 quaid: hi 20:09:01 hi alolita 20:09:16 I'm very glad you got someone from Stanford; I was intimated about contacting them directly :) 20:09:25 so potentially we have 6 profs 20:09:29 now 20:09:37 how many do we have for sure? 20:10:27 we have 3 appls from sfsu, tony from cmu, dr. white from stanford, and one prof from ny - right? mel 20:10:44 alolita, quaid - you have the two new apps in your inbox with my comments. 20:10:57 ianweller: for sure, 0. Probable, 3. 20:11:00 mchua: thanks much :-) 20:11:00 possible, 6. 20:11:13 mchua: why do you say 0? 20:11:50 active outreach is the only way to work with profs :-) pessimism not allowed 20:11:58 Until we have 5 probable, we have 0 definite. 20:12:09 oh, +1 on the active outreach, and I'm certainly hopeful! 20:12:24 Just noting that we don't actually have a POSSE until we get a few more confirmations (not just applications). 20:12:34 I hope to have those turned around by the time we meet on Tuesday. 20:12:46 mchua: i must be missing something; all the profs i have spoken with have confirmed interest in attending 20:12:55 do you need anything else to confirm these folks? 20:13:10 is it the posse process i don't know about? 20:13:28 alolita: they apply, if we accept them, they confirm. 20:13:40 some profs apply and then have to cancel 20:13:48 some apply to multiple POSSEs and we accept them for one 20:13:48 mchua: why would we not accept them? 20:13:52 right, there is still possibility that all will back out, especially until they have had the "submit, accept, accept myself" processto reaffirm. 20:14:07 mchua: that's true :-) 20:14:24 alolita: concerns about fit; see my comments on the apps I forwarded you wrt concerns (that I'm going to ask about and give them the chance to revise, since I'd *like* to accept them.) 20:15:05 well - think of it as absolute outreach - if you work with 10 profs ; maybe only 1 will get students to contribute - right? 20:15:38 in my experience - it is important to have as much breadth as possible 20:15:51 Actually, we screen applicants *because* we expect the ones we accept to have a high percentage of success in getting students into FOSS within 2-3 academic years. 20:16:04 sameer verma teaches in the business school yet he does an enormous amount with gimp and inkscape 20:16:10 so hard to judge ahead of time 20:16:15 I've worked with Sameer in OLPC - he's wonderful. 20:16:28 he's a cool guy :-) 20:16:31 bottom line - we'll accept some potentially poor fits in this case because of the opportunity, but I want to be careful we don't start a bad reputation for POSSE in the Valley. 20:16:32 I'm not judging on the basis of discipline or experience - simply on the thoughtfulness of their applications, in this case. 20:17:02 mchua: that is my concern also - i really want posse to be successful here 20:17:14 mchua: some people aren't writers, so let's throw them a bone. 20:17:32 quaid: Right, which is why I'll be writing back and saying "we'd love to accept you, but need to learn more about what you're hoping to get out of this." 20:17:33 and i know many of these folks / profs personally - so its important posse is successful for me :-) too 20:17:47 quaid: i agree 20:18:05 mchua: the bone is, "In particular, you focused on X yet POSSE is more about Y, and we want to be sure you are getting what you are looking for. Can you comment on this further?" 20:18:11 quaid: Agreed. 20:18:19 ok 20:18:22 I mean, I'm talking about a higher bar than "Get up to date on open source software 20:18:27 good - i had contacted chris tseng at sjsu - glad he applied :-) 20:18:36 as a response to "why do you want to get out of POSSE" 20:18:41 er, what 20:18:58 So yes, I agree with quaid's prompt. 20:19:13 mchua: just looking at your apps and commenting :-) that i am glad sjsu is participating with chris tseng 20:19:31 Anything further on POSSE Cali, other than I'm following up on apps, we're still waiting for Sameer's, recruitment continues (thank you both for your efforts there, btw!) ? 20:19:42 I'm glad to see these applications! 20:19:54 I think we may actually make it, we'll see on Thursday. :) 20:19:54 let me email you and quaid - tony's appl responses which are very good 20:19:59 ok, thanks! 20:20:03 btw, I need to drop off in a few minutes 20:20:07 * mchua too 20:20:11 * Jeff_S waves 20:20:25 * quaid presenting on Open Your World Forum (opensource.com) 20:20:28 alolita, we were going to talk about an OSCON workshop at some point, were there notes you wanted to share on that? 20:20:31 hey Jeff_S! 20:20:43 alolita: possibly over email (TOS list) since quaid and I both have to run? 20:20:51 * quaid gets to chill with Jeff_S next week 20:20:57 :) 20:22:39 quaid, mchua: you should have received tony's appl 20:22:48 k 20:23:21 mchua: i emailed you the link to the OSCON workshop - did you get it? 20:23:39 quaid: what email can i share the doc with you ? 20:23:42 thanks, alolita. I note Tony's application says he won't be able to make the entire session and we should only run it if we have 5 applicants + him 20:23:57 ...which we may, if the Stanford prof applies. 20:24:02 mchua: i know - he likes to give you a challenge 20:24:08 more profs the better :-) 20:24:20 he wouldn't be at cmu otherwise would he :-) 20:24:55 alolita: karstenwade@gmail 20:25:09 ok quaid - thanks - let me share the doc 20:25:14 alolita: got the OSCON workshop doc, is it ok to take to the TOS wiki so we can do a public comment process? 20:25:22 * mchua doesn't see anything private about it 20:25:29 it's a curriculum outline proposal 20:25:35 * quaid kicks his imap 20:25:57 mchua: there is nothing private at all - it was just my short cut way of doing the proposal first 20:26:03 tos is very slow sometimes 20:26:10 alolita: sounds great, I'll put it on the wiki and throw it to the list with my comments then 20:26:11 pretty unusable as a editable wiki 20:26:17 though I'll have to do that in a few hours since I have to jet soon 20:26:47 karsten: can you see the doc 20:26:48 alolita: Yeah, we do need to improve TOS's underlying infrastructure... 20:27:00 * mchua tries to throw it on the TOS wiki real quick 20:27:01 thanks for the observations about the wiki speed, btw, good to hear other anecdotes. 20:27:07 ctyler: we need to talk about TOS infra ^ 20:27:54 quaid: sorry about the slowness of the infrastr but its frustrating to wait for 5 minutes to get a response back on minor updates to a page :-) 20:28:05 part of my reason for not being so active on the wiki 20:28:41 mchua: are you posting the draft proposal on the wiki 20:28:43 quaid, alolita: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Virtualization_community_workshop 20:28:48 cool thanks! 20:28:54 verbatim, I'll make my edits when I reach Boston 20:28:55 in a few hours 20:29:04 I have to run in 1 minute, anything else? 20:29:33 i'm cool - i will be sending you appls as we keep getting more profs - 20:29:53 look forward to your and quaid's comments and then we need to get jeff involved to review also 20:30:02 * mchua nods, thanks! 20:30:08 I think quaid is off to teach his workshop now :) 20:30:09 let's talk on tuesday then at 1pm pacific 20:30:13 Yep, see you then! 20:30:16 * mchua wraps up logs, sends to list 20:30:18 #endmeeting