12:36:10 #startmeeting 12:36:10 Meeting started Wed Jun 9 12:36:10 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:36:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 12:36:22 * mchua updating yesterday with logs 12:40:43 morning, folks! 12:45:10 * ctyler waves to Worcester 12:45:21 ctyler: we are going to have *such* a good time next week. 12:45:47 ctyler: I'm trying to queue up requests for Fedora modifications that will make Python (and thus Sugar) development easier, if that sounds like a reasonable thing to do. 12:46:59 walterbender - just heard from maddog, he'll be in after lunch, so he'll be our 2-3pm and we can have our soas meeting at 3. 12:47:26 mchua: sounds good 12:48:35 ctyler: also, I just got your email, will reply now and cc lmacken (since he'll have at least one of the same q's). 12:48:55 mchua: thanks 12:50:07 walterbender: can you get everyone in #sugar? 13:10:27 Okay - folks are online and hacking, so I'm going to drop back for a bit and email the local Sugar folks about what we're up to, so they'll (hopefully) pour in and help. 13:10:32 and RSVP for dinner. ;) 14:05:14 sdziallas: yo, how much were you asking for re: LinuxCon TOS travel funding? 14:05:17 sdziallas: spevack just gave a +1 14:06:26 mchua: whoa, awesome :) can you please the Max a "thanks!" from me? 14:07:07 mchua: let me check with JetBlue how much the flight was. I don't think I'll need a hotel because I can try arranging to stay local, but gotta start pinging people. 14:07:58 sdziallas: ok, this is also a good chance for us to draft TOS funding guidelines 14:08:09 * mchua also needs to holler at the list that there *are* funds and more people should *ask for them* 14:09:34 mchua: I think we did that for FUDCon (with me as a guinea pig), too. so I'm certainly game there :) 14:10:04 sdziallas: tell you what, send a funding proposal to the list and we'll start from there (gimme a number) 14:10:49 mchua: adding that to the todo list :) 14:15:36 * mchua trying to figure out what time dinner on Thursday is 14:16:24 aha, The dinner is at 7:00pm at Maxwell Silverman's Toolhouse (http://www.maxwellmaxine.com/maxwells.html) 14:32:30 mchua: Aparna and I will be missing dinner this evening. Tied up with something else. Sorry. 14:32:41 Mahadev: No worries - the big dinner is tomorrow, actually. 14:33:02 mchua: I meant tomorrow. 14:33:17 Mahadev: Ah, okay - no worries! 14:33:19 thanks for letting me know. 14:59:36 Hey, fardad_ ! 14:59:53 * mchua will suggest breaking for lunch in 1 hour 15:00:19 * mchua will also suggest that pbrobinson do a quick "what's a spin?" thing and that she do a quick "look, IRC logging bots!" thing shortly before that 15:00:32 pbrobinson: (if that sounds good to you - how long do you reckon you'd need?) 15:12:31 sigh 15:12:37 i think I am reinstalled :-D 15:15:56 pfroehlich: It sure looks that way from back here : 15:15:59 :) 15:20:13 kwurst: ideas for lunch today? hot dogs, cafeteria? 15:22:40 * mchua is hacking on the IRC Activity with Bao in #sugar 15:54:01 building sugar-jhbuild :-/ 15:54:27 Good luck. :) I think we put all the dependencies you need on there, but... hopefully this is actually the case. 15:54:40 * mchua notes 5m to go-around-the-room-and-recap, plus luncheon 15:54:55 mchua: my recap is brief :-D 15:55:34 * pfroehlich rolls eyes at netbook 15:55:57 My recap mostly consists of ticket triage/cleanup of IRC Activity, plus getting Bao (nhacbv) started hacking on it (Bao is a high school student from Arlington, VA), plus massive Sugar Labs email backlog catch-up. 16:00:13 food time! 16:59:06 We have returned from food! 16:59:12 So many people have hacked lots of things! 16:59:44 * mchua frantically trying to keep up with docs 17:00:57 * pfroehlich so full i don't know if I can git 17:01:12 pfroehlich: git clone extra-stomach-capacity.py 17:01:16 whoops 17:01:23 pfroehlich: git clone extra-stomach-capacity/mainline.git 17:01:43 * pfroehlich lols 17:03:47 what's the trick to get measure to show up in sugar? 17:04:27 i have the ~/Activities folder and the link 17:04:29 anything else? 17:04:53 pfroehlich: is the folder called ~/Activities/Measure.activity ? 17:05:01 #link http://spins.fedoraproject.org 17:05:03 Peter is explaining Spins 17:05:33 mchua: Capital M? for that? 17:05:43 mchua: git checkout --track -b lunch origin/lunch 17:05:54 pfroehlich: Yeah, though I don't think it should matter. 17:06:09 #info Spins are "remixed" versions of Fedora for various use cases. 17:06:22 #info You can make remixes with arbitrary package sets for anything you like - a school/lab spin, etc. 17:06:28 mchua: well, maybe we should checkout the dinner branch at some point and start working on that. ;) 17:06:51 mchua: stil doesn't work though, doesn't show up in the sugar circle of stuff 17:07:08 pfroehlich: Oh! Is there an icon - in Home View - at the top right that looks like a bunch of horizontal lines? 17:07:09 pfroehlich: maybe you've got to switch to the list view 17:07:22 mchua: jinx. 17:07:22 mchua: yeah let me check that 17:07:30 pfroehlich: that's the list view, like sdziallas said - it should list all your activities, whereas the circle view will only show you a few (the ones starred in list view). 17:07:45 mchua: thanks found it :-D 17:09:53 Peter is now explaining the discussion he's having with Thomas about the Sugar Creation Kit DVD feature proposal, as an illustration of the feature process. 17:10:11 note that the feature process was approved on Monday, this request was submitted on Tuesday, and we're discussing it on Wednesday... things move pretty fast in here. 17:10:28 (After this, I will talk about IRC logging bots, so the channel will get strange as I demo.) 17:10:36 (And then I'll talk briefly about FOSS events.) 17:18:56 #chair posse_projector 17:18:56 Current chairs: mchua posse_projector 17:25:01 Peter's continuing to explain why the feature management process is difficult not because of tech issues, but because of political ones. 17:26:43 * mchua pointed out that teaching software engineering involves telling students about things like "teamwork" and "communication," but that doesn't make sense in the abstract until they've actually been involved in this sort of discussion. 17:27:23 So FOSS projects are a good place to watch people publicly having arguments, making mistakes... and participating in that. 17:28:00 Anyone who's been around any project for a while can point you towards interesting mailing list threads for analysis. 17:28:44 Peter just pointed out that sugar's marketing list is a good place to look for interesting recent threads. :) 17:32:57 #endmeeting