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#teachingopensource Meeting
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Meeting started by mchua at 02:47:30 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teachingopensource/2010-06-17/teachingopensource.2010-06-17-02.47.log.html
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Meeting summary
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* LINK: http://sourceforge.net/projects/manstyle/   (gregdek, 03:27:36)
* Planet review  (mchua, 12:37:55)
  * We'll be going through our 3 planets (SL, TOS, Fedora) briefly with
    an ongoing narration.  (mchua, 12:38:11)
  * LINK: http://planet.sugarlabs.org   (mchua, 12:38:19)
  * LINK: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Planet   (mchua,
    12:38:28)
  * LINK: http://planet.fedoraproject.org   (mchua, 12:38:31)
  * Planet Sugar - http://planet.sugarlabs.org/  (ctyler, 12:40:25)
  * Fedora Planet  (ctyler, 12:51:12)
  * LINK: http://planet.fedoraproject.org/   (ctyler, 12:51:21)
  * talking about Groklaw and how it's changed from documenting the SCO
    trial to now being more of a "newsletter" for open source topics
    (ganderson, 12:54:03)
  * LINK: http://planet.fedoraproject.org/   (ganderson, 12:56:43)

* Project updates  (mchua, 13:05:33)
  * Remix group has a package list, will be actually building image
    today  (mchua, 13:07:04)
  * Measure group has found bugs, made patches - walterbender beat them
    to a fix - found a bug in Walter's code, will be pushing their
    patches upstream today and getting help from upstream on some
    questions they have. Also learned interactive git rebasing!  (mchua,
    13:07:51)
  * The remix folks are currently searching for documentation on how to
    make a remix  (mchua, 13:22:43)
  * LINK: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Measure   (lmacken, 13:23:11)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix   (mchua, 13:24:38)
  * LINK:
    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Fedora_Live_CD
    (mchua, 13:24:46)
  * LINK: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/f-73.html
    (RITSteve, 13:27:29)
  * LINK:
    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Fedora_Live_CD
    (root_, 13:31:05)
  * LINK:
    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Fedora_Live_CD
    (afmondra_, 13:32:51)
  * Update from the Remix folks - we've mostly got through the
    instructions (they have also been improved) and have asked mether
    and gwerra questions in #fedora-devel, gotten help from jgreguske as
    well  (mchua, 16:04:18)
  * Remix problem: not enough disk space :) so we can try building the
    minimal .ks just to get an .iso out after lunch  (mchua, 16:04:34)
  * We'll also try to put in the rebranding and the bookmarks on that
    minimal .ks now that we know we can pull in the package list we
    want.  (mchua, 16:06:31)

* Student project case studies  (mchua, 18:33:00)
  * Chris is now going to shift us into thinking about our own classes
    for the year.  (mchua, 18:33:13)
  * He's going to be going through examples of projects students have
    done.  (mchua, 18:33:20)
  * Chris is showing a paper he wrote about sustainable community
    student involvement in foss.  (mchua, 18:35:35)
  * LINK: http://chris.tylers.info/ols2008/   (mchua, 18:35:39)
  * Sometimes, communities have had bad experiences with students in the
    past - they barge in, start something, then drop it on the ground
    and leave - unreliably - so it's important that your students do it
    right, and leave a good impression, and show that they know how to
    do things right the open source way.  (mchua, 18:37:14)
  * They found they needed to select 3 things to do this successfully:
    (1) a faculty member, (2) a FOSS community  (mchua, 18:41:17)
  * (3) Student projects - they need to be non-critical-path, yet things
    that people care about. "what are the things you would love to see
    done, but just don't have time to do?"  (mchua, 18:44:34)
  * Don't have to finish - need to get to a good "next starting point."
    (mchua, 18:49:04)
  * Danger: if students go off on their own and think they know
    everything and come in at the end with a finished product, it may
    not be what the community wants/needs, so they may just reject it
    (even if it's perfectly good work, it's not what they needed) - so
    *do* involve them in community dialogue early on  (mchua, 18:52:15)
  * Critique from a professional programmer on your code is invaluable -
    FOSS can help your students get it.  (mchua, 19:00:56)
  * LINK:
    http://www.amazon.com/Conversation-Community-Social-Web-Documentation/dp/0982219113
    (mchua, 19:23:24)
  * LINK: http://github.com/jchris/appdrop but unmaintained )-:
    (paulproteus, 20:29:44)
  * LINK:
    http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A44817
    (Dave_S, 21:16:02)

Meeting ended at 12:34:01 UTC.




Action Items
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People Present (lines said)
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* mchua (231)
* quaid (72)
* Jefro (44)
* Dave_S (31)
* ctyler (31)
* Sparks_too (27)
* JonathanD (27)
* ganderson (27)
* Andrea_H (18)
* paulproteus (16)
* gregdek (11)
* lmacken (7)
* satellit_ (6)
* mether (5)
* ke4qqq (5)
* sdziallas (5)
* KarlieRobinson (4)
* RITSteve (4)
* pfroehlich (3)
* mprppr (3)
* zodbot (2)
* cras (2)
* gary_at_RIT (2)
* engineer (1)
* afmondra_ (1)
* root_ (1)
* skuhaneck (1)
* GenJamGuy (1)
* willhoft (1)
* ianweller (1)




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