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18:37:03 <sdziallas> #chair quaid mchua gregdek sdziallas
18:37:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: gregdek mchua quaid sdziallas
18:37:10 <sdziallas> quaid: there you go :)
18:37:50 <sdziallas> #topic Possible POSSE CA
18:37:55 <quaid> ok
18:38:05 <quaid> we've been talking about a JUne one, usual time frame
18:38:20 * mchua is here
18:38:57 <quaid> I reckon the problem with spring break is ...
18:39:03 <quaid> do teachers tak ethat time off?
18:39:09 <quaid> do enough breaks coincide?
18:39:18 * quaid flies out the front windshield
18:39:31 <ganderson> RITSteve has a knack for messaging me whenever I happen to walk away from my terminal... :P
18:39:41 <sdziallas> LOL
18:39:54 <sdziallas> so I haven't yet checked other colleges spring breaks.
18:40:14 <sdziallas> I'm tempted to say that it might be worth asking around to see if we could get enough folks together. on the other hand, I see your point.
18:40:17 * mchua looking up U Santa Cruz, now that my mobile broadband WORKS AGAIN *grumbles at AT&T*
18:40:54 <sdziallas> also, I guess we wouldn't want to cancel another one.
18:41:22 <sdziallas> I know we have a prof at SF U in OLPC whom we could ping about spreading the word (even if the POSSE wasn't about SL / OLPC).
18:41:28 <quaid> there is also Cabrillo College , http://cabrillo.edu
18:42:01 <mchua> UCSC has a break between March 18-28
18:42:34 <sdziallas> Cabrillo has Apr 4 until Apr 9.
18:42:54 * sdziallas wonders why his college has such an early spring break then. :)
18:43:17 <mchua> sdziallas: when is it? I don't remember Olin's spring break being early compared to others in the area.
18:43:29 <sdziallas> mchua: Mar 14-18.
18:43:41 <sdziallas> (well, okay. compared to UCSC, that's okay.)
18:43:41 <mchua> but yeah, colleges not syncing up spring breaks == annoying.
18:43:53 * sdziallas checks SFSU
18:45:09 <mchua> so, we have an exhaustive list of colleges at http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_California_CS_-_Recruiting_contacts thanks to quaid
18:45:24 <sdziallas> SFSU is Mar 28 until Apr 1. (LOL, exactly between the others.)
18:45:38 <mchua> I think the question is "is it worth it trying to do a POSSE during the school year or should we just go for June?"
18:45:46 <sdziallas> Whoa, that list looks awesome!
18:45:54 <mchua> And also "what's the focus?"
18:46:05 <mchua> code? content? design? what FOSS community?
18:46:46 * sdziallas is going to suggest a design POSSE at Olin for the summer, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be two, I guess.
18:47:00 <mchua> quaid: so the CA ideas I've heard before are beagleboard (with Jefro) and Drupal (with the local Drupal groups) and then "something with cloud" although that was... fuzzy.
18:47:14 <sdziallas> I guess there have been quite some Fedora-related POSSEs already, so maybe it'd make sense to try out something different.
18:47:26 <mchua> sdziallas: if there are only two POSSEs next June, I have FAILED
18:47:42 <sdziallas> mchua: I wasn't talking about the number of POSSEs in general.
18:47:51 <mchua> sdziallas: I know, I know, I'm just kidding :)
18:47:59 <mchua> sdziallas: but you can totally work on two if you want to
18:48:08 <mchua> Aaaand quaid and I have arrived at lunch!
18:48:14 * sdziallas grins. :)
18:48:15 <mchua> quaid: thoughts?
18:48:35 <sdziallas> mchua: I'd love to help organizing / tech-guru'ing. Yup.
18:48:45 <mchua> sdziallas, gregdek: will you guys be around in an hourish? we shall be back after le noms.
18:48:52 <mchua> (Denny's)
18:48:55 <sdziallas> mchua: I'll be.
18:48:56 <gregdek> Yup.
18:48:59 <mchua> Cool.
19:21:50 <ganderson> sdziallas: are you still running the meeting? :P
19:22:35 <sdziallas> ganderson: argh :D I... am waiting for my crowd to come back :P
19:23:27 <ganderson> ah okay, haha
19:41:18 <mchua> sdziallas, gregdek: we have eaten, but quaid is about to take a nap. shall we resume anyway?
19:41:36 <sdziallas> mchua: I'm okay with that.
19:41:46 <mchua> So, the idea afaict is a POSSE somewhere in CA having something to do with ISKME? Is that more or less the basics?
19:42:45 <sdziallas> If that was possible and if everyone thought that was sane, probably. :)
19:43:09 <mchua> I think that sounds sane. Spring break timing sounds less certain wrt sanity.
19:43:28 <mchua> And focus/FOSS community is still undecided, so maybe we can talk about that first.
19:44:02 <mchua> gregdek: is there any upstream (or group of upstreams) ISKME is interested in? (Or would you consider OERCommons a FOSS community of the sort a POSSE needs to work with?)
19:46:48 * mchua looks around
19:48:50 <mchua> Okay, I'll throw out a few notes here and if nobody's around we can... wrap up.
19:48:59 <sdziallas> I... am here. :)
19:49:07 * sdziallas nods, listens.
19:49:17 <mchua> First, locationwise, there's also no reason there couldn't be multiple CA POSSEs in June (which seems to be the month best for profs in NA).
19:49:36 <mchua> So I could imagine, really, 3-4 CA-area POSSEs all being planned independently, perhaps on a spread of disciplines
19:50:01 <mchua> a Drupal one, a Beagleboard one, a Fedora Design one (that was discussed last time but didn't go through), a Sugar one, whatever
19:50:19 <mchua> if there are enough people in the area / willing to be in the area to instruct, tech-guru, organize, and so forth.
19:50:36 <mchua> Our main limitation for # of POSSEs is instructor availability - there are very few people who can actually teach a POSSE.
19:50:59 <mchua> After talking with ctyler at POSSE RIT, I think our current list of instructors / criteria is wrong.
19:51:14 <mchua> It isn't about whether you're a POSSE alumni or not, it's about whether you've taught open source in a college context before or not.
19:51:49 <mchua> taught open source community participation and was familiar with at least one community (have worked yourself in one community at minimum), that is.
19:51:59 <mchua> so Heidi Ellis, Titus Brown, etc. would be great POSSE instructors
19:52:14 <mchua> whereas some of our alumni from this summer's POSSEs would not yet be since they haven't had a chance to do this in their classrooms yet.
19:52:19 <mchua> (but next summer they could be!)
19:53:54 <mchua> quaid: if you're reading - I don't know how many POSSEs in CA you'd like to be involved with. ;)
19:54:51 <mchua> But... I'm turning this into a POSSE meta-conversation, where we actually need to draft up specific POSSEs we'd like to investigate.
19:55:15 <mchua> sdziallas: it sounds like you had two - a Design one at Olin, and "something in California involving ISKME"
19:56:25 <mchua> (the Olin + design one seems to me like an easy one, or rather that I know how I could picture it working out - Fedora Design + Mo + jadudm if he's available, basically... maybe Schendje involved in some way, any other Olin students who are interested hanging out, Lynn Stein as an Olin prof contact, and the HCI-professors group in Boston as the place to start recruitment.)
19:57:06 <mchua> "Something in California involving ISKME" is more vague. What sort of ideas around that do you have (other than the "spring break" timing, which may or may not work out)?
20:12:34 <sdziallas> mchua: I said that it *might* be a good option to find a way to get more momentum built around the things ISKME is doing. I was just raising that idea.
22:04:33 <sdziallas> #info moving to email, more later
22:04:35 <sdziallas> #endmeeting