19:21:12 <mchua> #startmeeting
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19:21:15 <mchua> #chair quaid sdziallas
19:21:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: mchua quaid sdziallas
19:21:27 * quaid was also being realistic that whatever bored sdziallas in the last few years is likely to go away starting Sep. so perhaps he'll be a bit more distracted :)
19:21:55 <mchua> quaid: mm, independent studies do exist. :)
19:21:57 <sdziallas> quaid: oh, okay? I'm curious about that, it sounds really cool! :) er... yeah... college. heh. we'll see about that, but yeah.
19:22:00 * mchua heads off to find that log from yesterday
19:22:18 <sdziallas> mchua: yup, I wanted to google about how that works at Olin a little more.
19:22:31 <mchua> quaid: In general, I've found that Olin's engineering/education work is quite compatible with tosw... I mean, that's how *I* got into it, well before I started participating in open source communities themselves.
19:22:45 <mchua> sdziallas: it's pretty simple - you write a proposal for what you want to do, and then a prof goes "yeah, that sounds good," and you do it, and then you get credit.
19:22:50 <mchua> sdziallas: think GSoC proposal style.
19:23:18 <sdziallas> mchua: I got into GSoC. :) Shouldn't be *too* hard, I guess?
19:23:54 <paulproteus> Off-topic but something mchua and I had schemed about: OpenHatch got our chocolate cake to our newest contributor: http://openhatch.org/blog/2010/chocolate-cake-for-jack/ (and up-vote on Reddit if you care, http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/d2991/contribute_to_our_open_source_project_get_a/ )
19:23:57 <mchua> quaid: were you thinking of doing this for other things for our team in general? for instance, cloud and such?
19:24:02 <mchua> paulproteus: AWESOME
19:24:06 <quaid> actually, if sdziallas wants to cook this in to your studies, definitely do it
19:24:13 <mchua> paulproteus: I haven't caught up with you in a while too - should lurk #openhatch more actively
19:24:27 <quaid> we'll do whatever we need to make it count as credit
19:24:49 <paulproteus> Me, you either -- mchua, do me a favor and brain-dump all the time to this channel so I can spy on you more effectively (-:
19:25:03 <mchua> paulproteus: You're asking me to be more verbose? I can do that. :)
19:25:04 <sdziallas> quaid: I think I'd like to explore this, I think. I mean... :)
19:25:05 <quaid> she usually does :)
19:25:24 <sdziallas> quaid: can you tell me more about what you're thinking?
19:25:25 <quaid> sdziallas: keep it in mind and let us know; there isn't a time limit on the offer :)
19:25:57 <mchua> for reference, http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teachingopensource/2010-08-16/teachingopensource.2010-08-16-17.29.html (I'll summarize and send to list later)
19:26:12 <quaid> sdziallas: I was imagining, basically, what if someone from the community did the exact same work that we do that RHT pays us for, wouldn't that person be equal in any other community setting?
19:26:37 <quaid> in other words, why isn't this a legitimate way to be part of the Community Leadership Team?
19:27:21 <quaid> and then folks passionate about stuff we can't touch anytime soon, e.g. K12, can do it with some of the force and presence, and influence how our team-at-Red Hat talks internally and externally about e.g. k12.
19:27:46 <quaid> because that happens just like that in other parts of Fedora, why not here too, right?
19:27:59 * sdziallas nods. I think that makes sense. It's... isn't that in a way comparable... yes, I was about to say, comparable to Fedora. :)
19:28:01 <quaid> sdziallas: so, afaic, you are pretty much already doing that, just not formally recognized for it.
19:28:08 <mchua> quaid: Would that imply more public infrastructure for community-team type stuff - for instance, our internal channel and mailing list having a public version?
19:28:16 <quaid> we hired ianweller as an intern, which made it official, but again, it was what he was inclined to be doing anyway.
19:28:17 <mchua> Not that we use them for much, honestly...
19:28:27 <quaid> mchua: could be
19:28:28 * sdziallas nods.
19:28:36 <mchua> quaid: It might be something hostable under theopensourceway.org infra? or... (perhaps I'm thinking too far ahead)
19:28:52 <quaid> mchua: I think any Edu we do should be on TOS, yeah
19:29:07 <quaid> if someone was doing this role but not edu (which isn't what I wrote about, but it's thinkable)
19:29:10 <quaid> then we'd want to think about that
19:29:29 <mchua> quaid: I meant as a central gathering place for the community team EXTENDED EDITION!!! you're talking about
19:29:51 <mchua> quaid: we'll of course all go out to the communities we're working in (TOS for me, $Fedora_foo for others, etc)
19:30:03 * mchua is firmly in the edu space these days
19:30:09 <quaid> mchua: no, doesn't make sense for the entirety of an extended edition
19:30:13 <mchua> so TOS is my primary hang-out (doubling with Fedora, I suppose)
19:30:15 <quaid> that's what communityleadershipteam.org is fore :D
19:30:18 <quaid> fore!!
19:30:22 <mchua> quaid: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. yes.
19:30:26 <mchua> I'd forgotten about that.
19:30:28 <mchua> We, uh, yeah.
19:30:31 <mchua> Should do something with it.
19:30:36 <quaid> yep
19:30:41 <mchua> Anyway, back to the specific case at hand...
19:30:45 <quaid> good idea :)
19:31:00 <mchua> sdziallas: So, knowing what I know about 1st semester Olin schedules, you'll have room for 1 elective.
19:31:28 <sdziallas> mchua: Do you know whether this is somewhere online, maybe in this handbook you linked me to?
19:31:32 <mchua> You'll be taking the general basic ol' math and physics and computer modeling classes.
19:31:49 <mchua> sdziallas: Yeah, it's http://star.olin.edu/docs/Records/Courses_Sched/RegistrationBooklet_Fall_%202010vol9no1.pdf
19:31:58 * quaid . o O { Plus your own Sugar on a Stick class!?! }
19:32:15 <mchua> Just exploring options, not making any time commitments here - you're not signing up for things, you're just browsing the course catalog, so to speak.
19:32:46 <sdziallas> :)
19:32:49 <mchua> quaid: that would be harder, but...
19:33:30 <mchua> quaid, sdziallas: one of the things that might fit in with other classes is the notion of school-specific remixes.
19:33:44 <mchua> for instance, *is* it possible to do your Olin schoolwork using (almost) all FOSS?
19:34:04 * sdziallas notes that he'd like to do a concentration in engineering on "open source" anyway :)
19:34:09 <mchua> (You'll have to use your Windows partition for Solidworks, I'm pretty sure, unless magic has happened in the last few months I've been unware of... I'm pretty sure someone would have told me though.)
19:35:02 <mchua> So you could do a little inline documentation in your classes for how to use gnuplot instead of matlab for your data plot graphs, etc.
19:35:50 <mchua> rrix and I were talking about this being something campus ambassadors could do in general.
19:35:55 <mchua> It's not really K12 education, though.
19:35:58 * sdziallas nods.
19:36:08 * rrix stumbles in
19:37:24 * mchua re-reads quaid's blog post
19:37:40 <mchua> quaid: Would we want to set up some sort of structure/rhythm from our team's side to keep up with that sort of thing?
19:38:21 * mchua sees these words:
19:38:22 <mchua> #
19:38:22 <mchua> # Attend weekly or bi-weekly meetings on IRC with other members of the community leadership team (CLT).
19:38:25 <mchua> # Set goals for the quarter and year, and report status and progress back to the CLT.
19:38:42 <mchua> sdziallas: I think quaid is mostly saying "if you could write your own job description what would it be?"
19:38:47 <mchua> we can help you brainstorm here if you want.
19:38:51 <mchua> rrix: (uh, you need to do that too ;)
19:39:06 * rrix is scrollingback
19:40:24 * sdziallas nods.
19:41:40 * rrix missed quaid's post, isn't showing up in akregator?
19:41:43 <sdziallas> I mean... (re-reading blog post, too).
19:42:02 <mchua> rrix: http://iquaid.org/2010/08/09/pondering-a-solution-for-a-k12-strategy-or-treating-our-community-leadership-team-like-a-foss-project/
19:42:13 <rrix> ahh, danke mchua :)
19:43:19 <quaid> #link http://iquaid.org/2010/08/09/pondering-a-solution-for-a-k12-strategy-or-treating-our-community-leadership-team-like-a-foss-project/
19:43:29 <quaid> mchua: yep, there is some responsibility on our side
19:43:40 <quaid> bi-weekly should have been bi-monthly, i guess
19:43:49 * quaid gets those confused all the time
19:43:54 <mchua> every other week, basically?
19:43:56 <quaid> time to fix the post :)
19:43:58 <quaid> yep
19:45:46 <rrix> hmmm
19:48:00 * sdziallas goes for a little local brainstorming, brb.
21:13:20 <sdziallas> argh, sorry for the delay. making some stuff up. :)
11:38:11 <Fido> I talked yesterday about MCM
11:38:34 <Fido> and find this
11:38:41 <Fido> http://www.criced.tsukuba.ac.jp/math/apec/apec2008/papers/PDF/23.Yutaka_Ohara_Japan.pdf
11:38:54 <Fido> but still need more
11:39:02 <Fido> if anyone know
11:39:24 <Fido> anyone studied in Japan please?
11:49:28 <Fido> ????????
12:14:00 <mchua> #endmeeting