21:27:36 #startmeeting 21:27:36 Meeting started Thu Sep 23 21:27:36 2010 UTC. The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:27:36 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:27:52 #name Capture tasks for The Open Source Way 21:27:53 * MarkDude has some info and ideas for the citations and examples needed 21:28:02 right 21:29:06 #action Update tasks wiki page with notes from this meeting 21:29:37 so there are groups of things to be done in the area of Principles, Implementation, and Examples 21:30:02 #action In the principle chapters, examples need to be placed that are not software-specific 21:30:15 #action Principles need to be filled out where empty 21:30:29 #action Implementation details need filling out, where empty 21:30:40 I think we are at the point where people want to make content happen and progress go 21:30:51 so there isn't a need to "artificially" keep examples open any longer 21:31:04 for example, there is going to be endless room for cool stories in the cool stories chapter 21:31:24 k 21:31:44 #action First nested level sub-sections of the chapters need to be broken out to individual wiki pages for easy reference, then bunded using transclusion in to chapters. 21:31:58 #action Chapter content order needs reconsidering, especially in the principles chapter. 21:33:36 #info there are stubs for these Implementation chapters: marketing, design, business, IT, legal 21:33:36 So more than just FOSS examples? 21:33:39 #link https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Category:The_Open_Source_Way_book 21:33:43 MarkDude: exactly 21:33:47 actually, that's pretty important 21:34:05 this handbook needs to unmap "the open source way" from "open source software development methodology" 21:34:16 that way people can remap it more easily to their non-software experience 21:34:19 So I am also looking for some Ubuntu help, Creative Commons, artist communities, etc 21:35:22 like ... http://bit.ly/TOSWOpenDiscussions 21:35:32 and an example that is real (not made up like this) might be: 21:36:38 "A charter school had problems in the past with an elite-member board, meeting in private, and so forth, and were in danger of losing their charter for blah blah blah ... when a new Board took over, the members pledged to be extra transparent; they did this, that, and the other, ... walked around talking to people, recorded meetings to post, etc. ... the result was a rebuild of trust and a stronger charter." 21:37:00 "A church group ...." 21:37:16 "Jazz lovers in New Orleans after Katrina ..." 21:37:17 etc. 21:37:21 so ... 21:37:29 this is what opensource.com has been gathering and writing about for months 21:37:33 we can dig through there for stuff 21:37:39 * MarkDude will get some examples from Zareason. We do all sorts of stuff in an Open Way. 21:37:52 We are talking about casting a wide net then 21:38:00 yes 21:38:17 because we want this to be useful to people who are a school, a church group, a jazz lover ... 21:38:30 same thing,the chapter ... 21:38:44 #link https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Great_stories_to_tell 21:39:10 those are long stories where more than one principle are displayed; the kind of thing to break out when doing a talk or explaining something ... 21:39:24 #action seek out more stories for Great stories to tell 21:39:52 #action find people to collaborate on the implementation chapters, aka "Business tosw", "Legal tosw", etc. 21:40:19 #action rrix Can we do something for TOSW @FUDCon Tempe with Richard Fontana and ASU law students? 21:40:30 Nope, def not :) 21:40:37 * quaid cries 21:40:48 #info It's my party, I can cry if I want to 21:40:50 hehehe 21:40:56 so here's another thing ... 21:41:00 we need to do a wiki2xml 21:41:15 there is a group who are ready to start tackling a Chinese translation! 21:41:32 but I don't want to make them redo work for no good reason ... 21:41:42 so we _could_ do a massive change and fix and such push through 21:41:46 i.e., reorder on the XML side 21:41:55 so we can make new PO/POT files for them 21:43:00 #action XML needs updating from wiki 21:43:05 #action New POT/PO files needed 21:43:25 #action XML and POT/PO work are dependent on the wiki being updated and reorganized for the next release 21:43:39 #info the wiki is the *upstream* 21:44:40 So wiki is canonical, check 21:49:01 there was some good on-list talk about reorg on the chapters and page naming ... 21:50:45 #action Rename chapters etc. as per list discussion ... https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/tosw/2010-August/000011.html 21:50:48 #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/tosw/2010-August/000011.html 21:53:52 #action make a checklist: "Open Source Way Self-Assessment" -- something that lists all principles in one place with easy links to the principle; a way to checklist "we are doing this/not; progress yes/no"; a self-assessment to see where you or your group is on a spectrum (1 to 3, or 1 to 5) 21:54:17 wow, that is a lot of what has been jamming up in my brain :) 22:02:23 The Lafayette Green Chamber has a green checklist that has a great order to it 22:08:42 be cool to see, got a URL? 22:12:47 pdf 22:12:51 http://lafayettechamber.org/community/lafayette-green/ 22:13:11 http://lafayettechamber.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/GreenChecklist-Fill-in.pdf 22:24:23 So collecting stories is something I can put on my plate. I'll ponder a re-arranged order for the chapters- for possible input. 22:26:47 I can start with what I know best and get some ZA examples 22:26:53 http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver 22:27:18 taking the scary out of stuff can make it easier to do ^^ 22:31:39 #link http://lafayettechamber.org/community/lafayette-green/ 22:32:17 #link http://lafayettechamber.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/GreenChecklist-Fill-in.pdf 22:33:08 you can do that with the #link too, btw :) 22:34:26 * MarkDude is behind on meeting skills 22:34:50 #link http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver 22:36:08 Anything else you think should be on my plate? 22:48:37 well, we got a nice list of tasks 22:48:43 what did you want to do in particular? 22:48:58 we could make sure that is assigned to you here, then close the log and send it out to the list 22:49:08 I'll invite someone to update the task wiki page :) 22:51:30 seek out more stories for Great stories to tell & find people to collaborate on the implementation c 22:51:52 * MarkDude knows more than computer folks for the stories 22:52:36 seeking people to help collaborate sounds like something up my alley 22:55:14 Starting with Creative Commons also 22:58:37 #action MarkDude seek out more stories for Great stories to tell & find people to collaborate on the implementation 22:58:49 exactly 22:59:00 yeah, for each of the stub implementation chapters I've talked with folks 22:59:07 who are experts in those domains. 22:59:23 Makes sense 23:07:25 ok, I'm going to close the log 23:07:31 any last anythings? 23:08:04 nope, not unless you think there is something that would be beneficial for me 23:10:52 nope 23:11:57 #endmeeting