07:27:41 <mchua> #startmeeting
07:27:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Oct  5 07:27:41 2010 UTC.  The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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07:27:53 <mchua> #chair jwildeboer tayo
07:27:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwildeboer mchua tayo
07:27:57 <antoinevg> jwildeboer: Rossum Robotics are awesome - I did a mini hack-weekend there a couple of months ago w/ some UCT students - the chap to talk to is Neels - shout if you need contact details!
07:28:07 <antoinevg> mchua: rere :)
07:29:11 <michaelgraaf> anybody home?
07:29:17 <mchua> michaelgraaf: Yep, we're here.
07:29:34 <harish> greetings all!
07:29:39 <mchua> Hey harish!
07:29:48 <mchua> harish: I don't think people here know you yet, can you introduce?
07:29:48 <michaelgraaf> hi
07:29:51 <harish> class started?
07:29:58 <harish> ok.
07:30:02 <michaelgraaf> do yourself a poster for the wall
07:30:15 <harish> hi everyone.  I am Harish Pillay - a member of the community architecture team in Red Hat.
07:30:26 <harish> I am based in Singapore and am in Singapore as I type :-).
07:30:26 <tayo> #note
07:31:42 <mchua> "be bold"
07:32:40 <michaelgraaf> okay harish, don't bother about the poster if you're in Singapore
07:32:52 <harish> michaelgraaf, :-)
07:35:09 <tayo> michaelgraaf: hi goodmorning
07:35:20 <michaelgraaf> same to you
07:36:15 <mchua> jwildeboer: ready to start whenever you are
07:36:24 <mchua> jwildeboer: just tell everyone to get on IRC before you start talking :0
07:36:28 <mchua> er, :)
07:36:30 <jwildeboer> mchua: let's go!
07:37:52 <tayo> micad
07:39:28 <mchua> boniface: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-15/fedora-meeting.2009-12-15-20.03.html
07:40:36 <mchua> #topic getting started
07:40:48 <boniface> Welcome Kruben
07:41:50 <mchua> welcome, kruben!
07:42:07 <mchua> I'm going to be compiling blog posts now, from yesterday, so if I can't find yours I'll give you a ping  on IRC :)
07:43:13 <kruben> Thanks Mel..
07:48:46 <mchua> Okay, michaelgraaf - I have your blog post, and I'm adding your feed to the TOS planet.
07:49:00 <mchua> jwildeboer and liknus, I have yours as well.
07:49:12 <mchua> boniface and micadeyeye, still looking for your blog posts :)
07:49:15 <michaelgraaf> cool
07:49:17 <liknus> Mine is 0.5
07:49:26 <liknus> today's is going to be1.5 :)
07:50:07 <mchua> w00t
07:51:08 <boniface> Oh my blog on http://kabaso.com/?p=9
07:51:12 <mchua> thanks boniface!
07:54:35 <mchua> liknus: Can you transcribe here / identi.ca while I pull blog posts together?
07:54:41 * mchua not keeping up with Jan *and* doing that right now
07:54:53 <liknus> mchua ok I can handle :)
07:55:14 <liknus> World domination is the ultimate goal of foss projects :)
07:55:36 <liknus> Reminder: follow us on Identi.ca
07:55:46 <liknus> #link http://identi.ca/tag/possesa
07:56:38 <liknus> Most open source projects are dictatorships
07:57:18 <liknus> The ultimate power is that of committing
07:58:22 <liknus> #link http://oscommerce.com/
07:59:25 <liknus> #link http://status.net/
07:59:43 <liknus> Many people are leaving a project due to personal fights
08:00:32 <liknus> #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP3JaOFy-qM
08:02:02 * mchua nods that you can use these tools to visualize your students' projects, or your research projects, at well
08:02:06 <mchua> er, as well
08:02:17 <mchua> They are open source tools too. :) All the software we are using this week is all open source.
08:02:27 <mchua> so you can modify it, deploy it for your projects, and so forth.
08:02:54 <liknus> Gource: Visualising a project http://code.google.com/p/gource/
08:05:26 <micadeyeye> http://www.ngportal.com/micadeyeye/index.php/2010/10/02/pre-posse-sa/
08:05:34 <micadeyeye> http://www.ngportal.com/micadeyeye/index.php/2010/10/04/posse-sa-day-1/
08:07:44 <liknus> Successful forks are only a few
08:07:58 <mchua> #link http://code.google.com/p/gource
08:08:01 <liknus> (like Samba from Mambo)
08:08:09 <mchua> #info Gource - source code visualization
08:08:13 <liknus> mchua, are we in a meeting?
08:08:21 <liknus> #whoischair
08:08:25 <liknus> #chari
08:08:28 <liknus> #chair
08:09:40 <liknus> Open Source is about motivation and fun :) Dont let that go away :)
08:10:04 <mchua> liknus: Yes we are.
08:10:06 <mchua> #chair liknus
08:10:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwildeboer liknus mchua tayo
08:10:14 <liknus> #link http://www.osor.eu
08:10:21 <mchua> #chair boniface kruben micadeyeye michaelgraaf
08:10:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: boniface jwildeboer kruben liknus mchua micadeyeye michaelgraaf tayo
08:10:34 <liknus> #meetingname POSSE South Africa - Day 2
08:10:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_south_africa_-_day_2'
08:12:41 <liknus> Go to the oldies:
08:12:53 <liknus> #link http://freshmeat.net
08:14:51 <liknus> Documentation is a crucial aspect of every foss project
08:15:27 <liknus> #link http://moodle.org/
08:17:37 <liknus> #link
08:17:47 <liknus> #undo
08:17:47 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x2b7d30b7d610>
08:17:52 <micadeyeye> #link http://opencontent.uct.ac.za/
08:17:53 <liknus> #link http://www.openculture.com/
08:19:08 <liknus> Having Moodle in your university is one thing, having Open Content is the "key thing"
08:21:07 <mchua> liknus: You should show that on the projector over break, point out how other people (we didn't expect) are jumping in - this is the start of an example of how community == awesome, etc.
08:21:26 <liknus> mchua, will do :)
08:25:17 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer discusses how Red Hat makes money.
08:28:45 <mchua> #topic Interlude: Community is Awesome
08:28:58 <mchua> #note Pierros has been liveblogging, so FOSS community members are starting to follow along with us
08:33:18 <mchua> Grant has arrived!
08:37:32 <mchua> #link http://identi.ca/tag/possesa
08:39:34 <jwildeboer> #link http://opencontent.uct.ac.za/
08:49:33 <mchua> #topic Version control: introduction
08:49:37 <mchua> Hello, fardad_!
08:49:43 <mchua> We're at a POSSE in Cape Town. :)
08:51:43 <boniface> Whether centalised and distributed ..conflicts are a reality ..where do you get less  ..or rather where are conflicts better managed
08:53:30 <jwildeboer> #link http://code.google.com/p/gource/
08:59:15 <jwildeboer> Discussing decentralised (git etc) v centralised (CVS, SVN) version mgmt here at possesa.
08:59:36 * mchua primes the pump with git tutorial links
08:59:46 <mchua> #info Git is the primary version control system we use in Fedora, it's a decentralized system.
08:59:52 * jwildeboer needs coffee.
08:59:57 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.com/index.php?title=Getting_the_Code&oldid=3620
09:00:10 <mchua> #info Version control - a textbook introduction from the Teaching Open Source community
09:00:21 <mchua> #link http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html
09:00:44 <mchua> #info The above textbook link describes svn, and that tutorial I just linked to above explains git to svn users, so that's one possible pathway to learning.
09:00:50 <tayo> micadeyeye: hi
09:01:00 <micadeyeye> tayo: hi
09:01:12 <mchua> #note some other git tutorials, that start from scratch:
09:01:15 <mchua> #link http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/gittutorial.html
09:01:22 <mchua> #link http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~cduan/technical/git/
09:02:04 <mchua> #info Pick one you like, depending on your learning style - any tutorial is fine, or you can also learn by asking here on IRC.
09:02:17 <mchua> #note The wikipedia article for git, for those who are interested.
09:02:19 <mchua> #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software)
09:02:55 <gruntus> is the current session being recorded as a meeting?
09:03:02 <jwildeboer> gruntus: yep.
09:03:09 <micadeyeye> nope!
09:03:17 <micadeyeye> am not recording it.
09:03:36 <micadeyeye> i would have loved to.
09:03:40 <jwildeboer> micadeyeye: the IRC session however is being zodbotted ;-)
09:03:47 * mchua was about to say :)
09:03:53 <gruntus> ok yeah - that's what I meant
09:03:53 <micadeyeye> yep, you are right jwildeboer
09:04:02 <micadeyeye> okay.
09:11:45 <michaelgraaf> tayo wants confirmation that any Linux will do
09:11:57 <mchua> tayo, any linux will do.
09:14:22 <michaelgraaf> mel can you post the URL of the page on the projector screen please
09:15:24 <micadeyeye> michaelgraaf: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Getting_the_Code
09:15:31 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.com/index.php?title=Getting_the_Code&oldid=3620
09:17:45 <mchua> #link http://spins.fedoraproject.org/
09:18:20 <mchua> #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Documentation_SOP
09:29:18 <kruben> how do i get the previous posts?
09:32:57 <mchua> #link http://git.sugarlabs.org/
09:33:11 <mchua> #link http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas-docs
09:57:28 <mchua> micadeyeye: http://blog.melchua.com/?s=irssi
09:59:50 <micadeyeye> mchua: great
10:00:02 <micadeyeye> #link http://blog.melchua.com/?s=irssi
10:01:25 <gruntus> mchua: What's the url fro creating our blog - I going to start from scratch on this machine
10:08:48 <mchua> gruntus: http://wordpress.com
10:52:20 <fardad> Hello mchua!
10:53:23 <mchua> Hey fardad! How's life in Toronto?
10:53:27 <micadeyeye> hi fardad
10:53:33 <micadeyeye> how is seneca?
10:53:44 <mchua> I don't know if Chris told you but I'll be in town next week, Thurs evening and all day Friday.
10:53:45 <fardad> Busy and good :)
10:53:59 <mchua> Would love to get you lunch or dinner, catch up, see if there's anything we can do to help
10:54:07 <mchua> and if we can persuade you to instruct a POSSE this coming summer ;)
10:54:13 <micadeyeye> great.
10:54:28 <fardad> pretty good, and sure why not, summer is good :)
10:54:43 <mchua> fardad: which is, honestly, going to be as much about you teaching POSSE as it would be giving you a week to think about TOS again - you mentioned that you'd been working on a textbook, etc. but there was just not enough time.
10:54:47 * mchua grins
10:55:11 <mchua> fardad: awesome, you'll definitely get pinged :)
10:55:35 <fardad> mchua: no problemo!
10:56:45 <fardad> it is pretty busy now with FSOSS in couple of weeks....
10:57:13 <fardad> How is it in Cape Town?
10:57:51 <mchua> fardad: Busy, but good. I think we've managed to confuse everyone so far :)
10:58:34 <fardad> mchua: yeah, it starts like that, you never learn without being cofused initialy :)
10:59:25 <fardad> mchua: I am helping other profs now to integrate open source in their courses...
10:59:26 <mchua> fardad: I'm not sure if there's a better way to set that expectation in the beginning, it's a paradigm shift for almost everyone.
10:59:32 <mchua> fardad: +infinity
10:59:33 <mchua> how's that going?
11:00:02 <mchua> boniface, michaelgraaf, kruben, gruntus - ^^ you folks should meet Fardad, one of the first POSSE alumni from back in 2009.
11:00:14 <mchua> He's at Seneca College in Toronto, which is where the blog planet of students we showed you comes from.
11:00:33 <micadeyeye> liknus: the identica link, what's it?
11:00:47 <fardad> hello all :)
11:00:52 <liknus> http://identi.ca/tag/possesa
11:00:56 <liknus> hi fardad :)
11:01:33 <fardad> mchua: the transition is more difficult for the profs, than students :)
11:01:42 <micadeyeye> fardad: we're doing great.
11:02:21 <fardad> mchua: I think that is why we have POSSE :)
11:02:32 <liknus> micadeyeye, you surely do :)
11:03:50 <gruntus> Ok everybody - finally my blog is up; wilhelmrudolf@wordpress.com. If this is confusing you, these are my Austrian family names - Wordpress already hhad accounts in the othre names I tries so just to speed things up I went for the other names...
11:06:45 <gruntus> fardad: you're right and it's not only in the open source arena either
11:07:29 <mchua> gruntus: +100
11:07:39 <fardad> gruntus: exactly...
11:08:57 <mchua> #topic The commit cycle, part 2
11:09:01 <mchua> #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Documentation_SOP
11:09:45 <liknus> gruntus you mean http://wilhelmrudolf.wordpress.com
11:09:46 <liknus> ?
11:09:52 <mchua> liknus: yes :)
11:10:23 * fardad should get ready for his lecture for the day, have fun
11:10:28 <fardad> l8r...
11:11:13 <gruntus> yeah - sorry, typing before engaging brain properly over here
11:36:49 <jwildeboer> #note ohloh has been acquired by Blackduck today. Funny. http://www.blackducksoftware.com/ohloh/
12:01:43 <jwildeboer> All are busy hacking away :-)
12:15:59 <micadeyeye> #info liknus discusses translation
12:16:15 <mchua> #info everyone has made a patch! Success!
12:20:00 <micadeyeye> http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/virtaal/index
12:20:29 <micadeyeye> http://pootle.locamotion.org/projects/firefox36/
12:26:58 <mchua> antoinevg: hey Antoine, were you thinking of coming by in person sometime this week?
12:27:17 <mchua> (the channel isn't very helpful at the moment since we're still doing a lot in the classroom)
12:33:28 <mchua> #note SoaS creation kit docs == freakin' brilliant for checkout/build+modify/commit cycle
12:33:45 <mchua> sdziallas_afk: ^thank you!
12:36:50 <micadeyeye> liknus is discussing how poedit is used to translate software. another translation tool, which i have used, is virtaal. this is what its interface looks like https://www.yousendit.com/download/WTNLQk0zTWM4NVZjR0E9PQ
12:40:21 <micadeyeye> Narro is a web-based translation tool used for Firefox translation. see
12:40:30 <micadeyeye> https://l10n.mozilla.org/narro/narro_project_file_list.php?l=ro&p=14&pf=&s=
12:54:12 <antoinevg> mchua: If the chaos is well-behaved I'm hoping to come in for tomorrow & Thursday at least
12:56:26 <kruben> any ideas why must posts on not shown on identi.ca?
13:00:37 <mchua> kruben: Which posts?
13:01:03 <mchua> antoinevg: Awesome - we'd love to have you. Even if you're doing your own work in the back of the room sometimes, that's totally ok - having more people to tap and draw from is always good. :)
13:08:04 <kruben> mchua: the one's you cant see :-
13:08:10 <kruben> )
13:08:53 <antoinevg> mchua: good point, definitely see you tomorrow then! :)
13:10:24 <mchua> liknus: ^ kruben had a statusnet q
13:11:07 <liknus> kruben, you used the #possesa
13:11:10 <liknus> ?
13:53:02 <slapstick> how to download source code from google code using tortoise svn?
18:21:46 <ctyler> mchua_afk and the SA Posse gang: something is misconfigured on the feed page and is breaking the planet. I'll check after classes but if someone has time to do a sanity check on that page it would be appreciated. The planet script reverts to last-known-good when then new config fails, so any further edits will be ignored until we fix the problem.
07:09:35 <jwildeboer> Morning all. PosseSA day 3 :-)
07:21:40 <zodbot> mchua_afk: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
07:21:45 <mchua_afk> #endmeeting
07:21:51 <mchua> #endmeeting