06:58:31 <mchua> #startmeeting 06:58:31 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 7 06:58:31 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:58:31 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:58:41 <mchua> #chair liknus jwildeboer 06:58:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwildeboer liknus mchua 07:10:03 <mchua> #idea for future POSSE setup, set up a POSSE IRC proxy and get everyone in the habit of connecting to it in the first place, so they have persistent connections. 07:23:42 <michaelgraaf> good morning all 07:26:14 <jwildeboer> http://jan.wildeboer.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Day2WhiteBoard.jpg 07:26:19 <mustafaj> good morning michael 07:26:21 <jwildeboer> morning 07:26:32 <mustafaj> and in fact, its a super good morning because its 3:23 in toronto! 07:26:32 <mustafaj> am 07:26:52 <mustafaj> oh you're in a meeting, sorry. goodbye 07:28:26 <jwildeboer> http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/10/possesa-day-3-let-me-fix-your-ubuntu-michael/ 07:36:01 <Guest90528> jwildeboer: Especially the way internet access is organised deserves a blog post of its own … 07:36:05 <Guest90528> lol!! 07:36:07 <jwildeboer> #link http://www.rackaid.com/resources/linux-screen-tutorial-and-how-to/ 07:37:38 <jwildeboer> http://piratepad.net/possesa 07:39:35 <kruben> jwildeboer: I had a telephonic meeting this morning with an ex-school-teacher who nows works as an IT Lecturer at Stellenbosch University. I got him all excited about the POSSESA and some of the things we spoke about yesterday morning. But more importantly, he's helping me meet the person in charge of IT at Schools in SA. You mentioned a case study (Europe/Germany?) of how Linux and Microsoft OS was set up on virtually.. Ple 07:40:58 <jwildeboer> kruben: yep, the University of Groningen. 07:41:08 <jwildeboer> Can give you PDF of presentation on that. 07:43:17 <Guest90528> jwildeboer: i need to file the bugs now. 07:44:06 <jwildeboer> Guest90528: with the command /nick you can change your nickname ... 07:44:42 <kruben> jwildeboer: please do.. Email: naidook@cput.ac.za This is very exciting if I can make some headway with schools and whats taught. Will certainly help with the "quality" of students we attract. At the moment, we're not getting that good students and Lecturers attribute it to whats happening in schools. 07:45:34 <Guest90528> http://www.pango.org/ 07:46:09 <micadeyeye> i didn't know i was the guest. 07:46:32 <micadeyeye> i fixed the bootloader this morning. 07:49:09 <jwildeboer> micadeyeye: +1 :-) 07:49:25 <jwildeboer> kruben: mail sent. 07:49:27 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: thanks! 07:51:17 <jwildeboer> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package 07:51:28 <jwildeboer> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines 08:09:41 <liknus> Good morning everyone :) 08:10:11 <liknus> I created a ticket for creating an Afrikaans mailing list 08:10:18 <liknus> .ticket 2419 08:10:20 <zodbot> liknus: #2419 (Create mailing list for Afrikaans translations) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2419 08:16:37 <kruben> jwilderboer: Thanks Jan.. Please dont forget to send me the contact info for "that crazy guy you know".. :-) 08:17:00 <jwildeboer> kruben: Contact Details of the crazy guy are in the presentation ;-) 08:17:20 <liknus> kruben, be cautious with the "crazy guys" of jwildeboer 08:17:34 <micadeyeye> just created the rpms. 08:17:52 <liknus> micadeyeye, well done! 08:17:58 <liknus> how it seemed? 08:18:11 <micadeyeye> easy. 08:18:16 <liknus> can you upload the .spec in a pastebin to see it? 08:18:20 <micadeyeye> i also do so on ff. 08:22:08 <micadeyeye> bash: rpmlint: command not found 08:22:29 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist 08:22:29 <micadeyeye> i think i need to install it. 08:25:11 <liknus> micadeyeye, it should be there with the initial yum install stuff you did :) 08:26:32 <micadeyeye> this command won't work - rpmlint hello.spec ../SRPMS/hello* ../RPMS/*/hello* 08:29:23 <kruben> liknus: will do :-) 08:29:51 <liknus> micadeyeye, what's its output? 08:30:42 <micadeyeye> liknus: the output is "bash: rpmlint: command not found 08:33:49 <kruben> http://piratepad.net/interpol 08:37:02 * mchua reads up 08:37:02 <jwildeboer> micadeyeye: yum search rpmlint 08:37:21 <mchua> boniface, kruben: can you guys get tayo on IRC, and get her to paste the link to her document in this channel? 08:37:41 <liknus> thank jwildeboer for pointing out :) 08:37:57 <jwildeboer> I have edited, cleaned up, reformatted our whiteboard. Feel free to download and re-use! 08:38:00 <jwildeboer> http://jan.wildeboer.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/PosseSADay3WhiteBoard.jpg 08:38:15 <boniface> http://piratepad.net/docs 08:38:43 <mchua> jwildeboer: You rock, dude. I'll throw up a pad for that article. 08:38:58 <mchua> boniface: thanks! can you get tayo on irc? 08:39:05 <mchua> #link http://piratepad.net/interpol 08:39:13 <mchua> #link http://piratepad.net/docs 08:39:21 <mchua> #note Etherpad is a vital collaboration tool for POSSE. 08:39:34 <mchua> #note We need a better way to have notifications come up on the screen, for IRC. 08:40:40 <mchua> #link http://piratepad.net/possesa-osdc-article 08:40:42 <mchua> jwildeboer: ^ 08:41:21 <micadeyeye> mchua: have got tayo online. 08:41:40 <liknus> hey tayo :) 08:45:51 <tayo> Tayo: hi 08:46:13 <mchua> Hey tayo, welcome back to IRC :) 08:47:06 <mchua> you can ask questions here if you need any help, or if you're feeling lost at any point - but your main focus should be on doing what you need to do, and asking questions that you need to ask, so you can write up that document describing what boniface and kruben are doing right now. 08:47:22 <kruben> http://kenai.com 08:47:25 <mchua> welcome back micadeyeye :) how's it going? filed bugs? Jan will be back from his smoke soon, you should grab him for bugzilla in the next few minutes ;) 08:47:39 <mchua> It's literally one of those things that takes no time at all once you know how, so I'd get him to unblock you on that asap. 08:48:45 <micadeyeye> mchua: thanks. i am just being lazy. i could do it. i want him to work me through it. 08:48:58 <micadeyeye> but i want .. 08:49:21 <mchua> micadeyeye: laziness is good, but you're actually working harder this way ;) 08:49:30 <mchua> micadeyeye: so - release early/often, ask forgiveness and not permission, right? 08:49:41 <mchua> micadeyeye: make a ticket, guess as to the right fields for it... we *can* change the fields later 08:49:42 <liknus> yeah! mchua :) 08:49:50 <mchua> micadeyeye: and then go and say "hey, Jan, I filed this, did I get the fields right?" 08:49:57 <mchua> much faster, less blocking on jwildeboer ;) 08:50:06 <liknus> thats the spirit! 08:50:06 <micadeyeye> yes. 08:50:11 <mchua> well then. :) 08:50:12 <micadeyeye> 3 packages and 1 specfiles checked; 0 errors, 2 warnings. 08:50:20 <mchua> Ooo. 08:50:22 <mchua> Nice. 08:50:25 <liknus> awesome :) 08:50:36 <micadeyeye> am trying to kill two birds with a stone. 08:50:37 <liknus> you have a charisma on that :) 08:50:53 <liknus> Do you picked a project from the list? 08:50:54 <micadeyeye> i want to build an asterisk gui. 08:51:39 <liknus> Aha .. I saw it :) 08:51:42 <liknus> I think it would be ok 08:51:53 <liknus> want any help on that micadeyeye ? 08:52:15 <liknus> Very careful with the depends on that 08:54:35 <micadeyeye> okay, let me give it a shot. 09:01:49 * mchua wonders how michaelgraaf is doing 09:03:10 <kruben> liknus: what would you use to map a project - scope outline? 09:04:15 <mchua> Grant returns! 09:05:38 <liknus> kruben, inkscape :) 09:07:32 * mchua goes to see how michaelgraaf is doing 09:10:02 <mchua> Looks like michaelgraaf is deeply involved in conversation with his colleague. :) 09:12:16 <gruntus> I've been relegated to spam by liknus 09:13:02 <mchua> gruntus: you're not spam! 09:13:24 <jwildeboer> micadeyeye: Coming. Are you logged in to Bugzilla already? 09:13:34 <mchua> gruntus: also, one thing that would be good to hear about - I think for everyone, when we have discussion/reflection time (right before lunch today, so about 11:40) is what it was like being remote. 09:14:09 <gruntus> ok will give a shpeel 09:15:44 <kruben> liknus: you mean www.inkscape.org right? 09:20:31 <mchua> kruben: Yep, you should also be able to yum install or apt-get install inkscape packages on almost any linux distro. 09:20:35 <mchua> they also have a windows installer. 09:20:39 <mchua> (at inkscape.org) 09:25:20 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: will start shortly 09:27:04 <mchua> We'll come back together to check in on status in 15 minutes. 09:27:06 <mchua> tayo: how are you doing? 09:28:09 <tayo> I am doing fine 09:28:41 <tayo> mchua:fine 09:29:44 <mchua> tayo: you should write more notes in the document :) things you're finding out, questions you have... we need to be able to see what you're doing, in able to help you. 09:29:48 <mchua> er, "to be able to help you." 09:35:46 * mchua looks around, teams seems to be doing pretty well 09:35:57 <mchua> michaelgraaf is editing his project wiki, so that's great 09:36:06 <mchua> boniface, tayo, and kruben are in discussion about their project 09:36:22 <gruntus> .fasinfo gruntus 09:36:23 <zodbot> gruntus: User: gruntus, Name: Grant Hearn, email: ghh@mweb.co.za, Creation: 2010-09-30, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, Extension: 5151564, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 09:36:27 <zodbot> gruntus: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fedora 09:36:38 <mchua> tayo: how can we help you follow the discussion more? I notice you're not writing in the document, and the guys are mostly working by themselves now. 09:37:37 <tayo> mchua: It seems I am observer in this project 09:38:57 <mchua> tayo: That's okay. :) Just write down what you're observing - documenting your impressions, especially as a new person, is *really* valuable. 09:39:34 <mchua> the "what is the process?" notes you're taking, in the piratepad/etherpad document - the audience is going to be people who are in your shoes right now, people who are completely new to this. 09:39:58 <mchua> So it's a good thing to be starting from where you are, and writing down the questions you have, because other people will have them too. 09:44:49 <gruntus> .fasinfo gruntus 09:44:50 <zodbot> gruntus: User: gruntus, Name: Grant Hearn, email: ghh@mweb.co.za, Creation: 2010-09-30, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, Extension: 5151564, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 09:44:54 <zodbot> gruntus: Approved Groups: cvsl10n cla_done cla_fedora 09:45:08 <liknus> Yeah ! gruntus is part of our translations group :) 09:45:15 <gruntus> Cool! 09:45:39 <tayo> Mchua:I am trying to create issues for the tracking 09:46:17 <mchua> tayo: How's that going? 09:46:29 <mchua> tayo: Actually, it's time for all of us to pause now and do pre-lunch status checks. 09:46:49 <mchua> tayo: So that should be yours, along with questions you have now :) 09:46:53 <mchua> hang on, I'll get everyone back together. 09:46:58 <liknus> Wow :) gruntus just submitted his first translation! 09:47:29 <gruntus> It felt good guys! 09:53:20 <kruben> boniface: /join hashtrack 09:53:37 <kruben> Tayo: /join hashtrack 09:55:06 <tayo> join hashtrack 09:59:32 <jwildeboer> the syntax is 7join #hashtrack (don't forget the hash!) 09:59:39 <jwildeboer> hrmbl 09:59:49 <jwildeboer> the syntax is /join #hashtrack (don't forget the hash!) 10:19:59 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=640947 10:20:11 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=640943 10:21:26 <micadeyeye> I need you to reword.. What about the third one? 10:22:43 <jwildeboer> micadeyeye: lemme check .... 10:22:45 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: i just got a typo in one of them 10:23:20 <micadeyeye> can't i fix it? i could fix the subject though. but it's the description. 10:30:25 <jwildeboer> I added my comments to both BZs, should be fine. 10:46:36 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: thanks 10:50:11 <kruben> antoinevg: http://www.alwayson.co.za/ charges ridiculous prices for Internet usage via the hotspots 10:55:39 <antoinevg> kruben: Ah, these are the guys at all the airports? 11:31:50 <micadeyeye> Interested in my extension, check http://www.ngportal.com/research/transferhttpclients.ogg 11:32:39 <micadeyeye> and its proxy is at http://www.ngportal.com/research/transferhttpproxy.avi 11:33:04 <micadeyeye> those are the demos i made from the work. 11:33:30 <micadeyeye> the work -> my research project 11:41:08 <liknus> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_SOPs 11:46:35 <kruben> antoinevg: mugg & bean and most restaurants too!! 11:52:32 <liknus> #link http://hackerspaces.org 12:20:14 * mchua reads u 12:20:16 <mchua> er, up 12:20:56 <micadeyeye> tayo: Posse-south-africa@teachingopensource.org 12:27:48 <jwildeboer> Uploaded whiteboard and group picture to http://picasaweb.google.com/jhw0815/PosseSA?authkey=Gv1sRgCKL1jte54IKUlQE&feat=directlink 12:37:07 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package#.25files_section 12:37:17 <liknus> Scroll down to scriplets section micadeyeye 12:37:23 <liknus> thats what is needed 12:37:29 <liknus> you picked a difficult one 12:37:31 <liknus> :( 12:43:11 <mchua> jwildeboer: rockin', thanks! 12:49:52 <micadeyeye> Please check your mails for the dinner!! 13:09:14 <mchua> michaelgraaf: http://piratepad.net/ces-article 13:15:29 * azneita waves to posse sa pips 13:15:40 <micadeyeye> there some other pictures here 13:15:47 <micadeyeye> http://www.ngportal.com/personal/possesa1.jpg 13:15:50 <micadeyeye> http://www.ngportal.com/personal/possesa2.jpg 13:16:11 <micadeyeye> someone needs to put touches on them though. 13:16:16 <micadeyeye> some** 13:21:44 <micadeyeye> Hey, Stefano is joining us at the dinner. 13:23:23 <mchua> michaelgraaf: Awesome! 13:24:03 <mchua> er, micadeyeye (sorry) 13:42:30 <jwildeboer> michaelgraaf: this is what my good friend Georg Zoche from Transnational Republics has to say - I guess you will like eachother http://weltmachtgeld.tnparty.eu/index.php/WORLD-POWER-MONEY 13:42:52 <michaelgraaf> jwildeboer: thanks 13:44:56 <kevix> jwildeboer: Transnational Republic? that is a socienty that create 'real looking' ID. 13:45:41 <jwildeboer> kevix: yep - http://www.utnr.org 13:45:47 <kevix> jwildeboer: http://madduck.net/blog/2006.05.24:tr-id-at-keysigning/ 13:45:53 <jwildeboer> And they are real IDs :-) 13:46:12 <michaelgraaf> jwildeboer: I recently saw some stuff about how the sub-prime market is still capable of another bubble-burst, as many US and other banks still hold a lot of worthess paper based on defaulted real estate 13:47:33 <jwildeboer> michaelgraaf: Yep, the real question is if this is a bubble economy or an economy of bubbles ... 13:48:06 <michaelgraaf> and next time it won't be so easy to organise the bail-out... 13:49:34 <jwildeboer> kevix: but our ID is as official as any other national ID. I regularly check in to hotels and planes with my TR ID. 13:50:21 <jwildeboer> michaelgraaf: ultimately true stability can only be reached with transparency and trust. The current system lacks both ... 13:50:35 <kevix> jwildeboer: really???? I'd love to know how they react to it (or why they dont) 13:51:38 <kevix> any person (bo 14:17:39 <micadeyeye> we all going to grab some beers at the Best Western Hotel!! That would be followed by a dinner at the Cape to Cuba, Long Street. see you all there!! 14:18:55 * kevix will enjoy a virtual beer 14:20:58 <mchua_afk> Everyone should have a public-facing deliverable. 14:20:58 <mchua_afk> And blog about it. 14:21:00 <mchua_afk> And tomorrow, come in ready to talk about how you're going to make the picture on that whiteboard happen. 14:21:05 <mchua_afk> </today'[s instructions> 14:21:12 * mchua_afk --> the evening 15:10:53 <NeoPhyte_Rep> .fasinfo NeoPhyte_Rep 15:10:54 <zodbot> NeoPhyte_Rep: User "NeoPhyte_Rep" doesn't exist 15:11:15 <NeoPhyte_Rep> .fasinfo mchua_afk 15:11:16 <zodbot> NeoPhyte_Rep: User "mchua_afk" doesn't exist 15:11:31 <NeoPhyte_Rep> .fasinfo mchua 15:11:32 <zodbot> NeoPhyte_Rep: User: mchua, Name: Mel Chua, email: mel@redhat.com, Creation: 2008-09-26, IRC Nick: mchua, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5115368, GPG key ID: , Status: active 15:11:36 <zodbot> NeoPhyte_Rep: Approved Groups: @gitposseapp gitspin-kickstarts sysadmin-noc sysadmin +gitfedora-web bzrpython-fedora @fedoraldc @marketing +web fedorabugs packager @gitfedora-insight-theme @gitfedora-zikula ambassadors designteam giteducation cla_fedora cla_done 15:12:16 <kevix> .fasinfo * 15:12:17 <zodbot> kevix: User "*" doesn't exist 15:12:29 <kevix> .fasinfo \* 15:12:32 <zodbot> kevix: User "\*" doesn't exist 15:12:42 <kevix> .fasinfo a* 15:12:43 <zodbot> kevix: User "a*" doesn't exist 15:13:49 <NeoPhyte_Rep> kevix: I don't think zodbot knows how to evaluate regular expressions. 15:14:39 <kevix> ok, lets teach it :) 15:15:21 <NeoPhyte_Rep> kevix: zodbot's documentation is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot 15:15:32 <kevix> indeed. 15:20:08 <NeoPhyte_Rep> kevix: But, since it is derived, you may need to look here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/supybot/ 21:27:07 <kruben> hi anyone online? 07:02:09 <mchua> #endmeeting