07:02:12 <mchua> #startmeeting
07:02:12 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Oct  8 07:02:12 2010 UTC.  The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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07:03:33 <jwildeboer> Good morning all. Final day of posseSA
07:04:21 <mchua> #chair jwildeboer kruben michaelgraaf micadeyeye boniface tayo liknus antoinevg
07:04:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: antoinevg boniface jwildeboer kruben liknus mchua micadeyeye michaelgraaf tayo
07:06:41 <mchua> Hi, harish! How's it going?
07:06:55 <harish> good well! how is day 5?
07:11:52 <kruben> morning good people..
07:13:35 <mchua> kruben: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java
07:13:44 <mchua> kruben: in general, search for "fedora <programming language>"
07:20:17 <mchua> #topic Open source project statistics
07:20:20 <mchua> #link http://www.ohloh.net/p/git/analyses/latest
07:20:24 <mchua> #link http://www.ohloh.net
07:25:16 <kruben> mchua: please repost all links to /join hashtrack - my pc shutting and i lost all past posts. i will then add it to the blog for our group
07:27:26 <mchua> kruben: Your doc should still be up at http://piratepad.net/docs
07:27:31 <mchua> if those are the links you're looking for.
07:29:06 <kevix> would they be in the zodbot notes?
07:31:56 <kruben> boniface: /join #hashtrack
07:32:36 <mchua> #link http://openhatch.org/
07:46:28 <mchua> #link http://translate.org.za/
07:47:55 <mchua> #action mchua get more Fedora contributors to sign up on openhatch
07:50:28 <mchua> .fas toshio
07:50:29 <zodbot> mchua: testacco 'Michael McGrath Test Account' <toshio@tiki-lounge.com> - toshio 'Toshio くらとみ' <a.badger@gmail.com>
07:50:40 <mchua> .fasinfo toshio
07:50:41 <zodbot> mchua: User: toshio, Name: Toshio くらとみ, email: a.badger@gmail.com, Creation: 2005-04-13, IRC Nick: abadger1999, Timezone: US/Pacific, Locale: en, Extension: 5100068, GPG key ID: CD84EE48, Status: active
07:50:45 <zodbot> mchua: Approved Groups: +summer-coding @critpathadmin @bzrkitchen @elections @bzrcopr @githeadhunter gitfedora-web bzrpreupgrade gitvirt_web gitmirroradmin +packager gitamber @gitelections cla_done @fedorabugs cvsdevel cvsfedora @sysadmin-main +sysadmin-web @sysadmin cvsadmin sysadmin-cvs cla_fedora +sysadmin-test svnaplaws sysadmin-dba +sysadmin-devel @bzrpackagedb @bzrpython-fedora +gitfedoracommunity @bzrk12linux (1 more message)
07:50:55 <mchua> .more
07:50:59 <zodbot> mchua: @gitfas gitspins gitbodhi cvsl10n web gitpython-bugzilla @bzrtest provenpackager
07:55:11 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: have you got yesterday's pixs on your laptop?
07:57:41 <jwildeboer> micadeyeye: from the dinner? Nope, still in the camera, which is in hotel :-(
07:59:17 * antoinevg quickly (hah!) uploads his photos
08:13:47 <mchua> #link http://opensource.com
08:13:59 <mchua> #link http://theopensourceway.org
08:14:07 <mchua> #note look for "how to know if an open source project is doomed to FAIL"
08:15:08 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: we've got some more time. i can always get them from you before you leave.
08:21:00 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Textbook_Release_0.8
08:22:05 <kevix> mchua: from karl fogels post he said something about not getting any bug reports?
08:25:11 <michaelgraaf> hi tayo
08:25:48 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.com/index.php?title=Building_the_Code&oldid=3622
08:26:09 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Textbook_Release_0.8
08:26:27 <mchua> #link http://opensource.com/life
08:26:40 <mchua> #link http://opensource.com/should-be/10/6/community-mailing-list-created
08:26:46 <mchua> #link http://opensource.com/participate
08:26:59 <mchua> #link http://blozilla.net/mels-opensourcecomeducation-newsroom_3843.html
08:27:07 <mchua> #note that last one is a work in progress - experimenting with planet
08:27:20 <mchua> #link http://theopensourceway.org/wiki/How_to_tell_if_a_FLOSS_project_is_doomed_to_FAIL
08:27:35 <mchua> #note an example of what I used for FOSS student project grading
08:27:39 <mchua> #link http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/project-xavier/repos/mainline/commits/2c8627ff822445fdf3eb7ce784453c05ea636483
08:56:31 <mchua> #link http://p2pu.org
08:58:36 <tayo> micha:hi
09:12:44 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/pipermail/tos/2010-October/001730.html
09:12:48 <mchua> jwildeboer: ^
09:13:32 <mchua> #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_licenses
09:14:19 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos
09:20:18 <micadeyeye> antoinevg: what's the url to the pictures?
09:31:12 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos
09:42:23 <antoinevg> micadeyeye: Gnf... having a bad network day - still waiting for everything to upload :-/
10:02:59 <antoinevg> micadeyeye: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45478359@N06/sets/72157624982525123/  :-)
10:29:17 <kevix> loved the pix, antoinevg.
10:29:47 <antoinevg> kevix: :)
10:46:51 <kevix> was looking at pix. saw all types of wifi stuff. meraki, batman, microcontrollers, P.O.E. whats the project about?
10:59:57 <antoinevg> kevix: Mostly solving problems around building & managing community mesh networks in developing world - afrimesh.org, joinafrica.org, villagetelco.org
11:33:02 <jwildeboer> antoinevg: you have twitter/identi.ca account? I am @jwildeboer on both ...
11:40:21 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: http://www.ngportal.com/micadeyeye/index.php/2010/10/05/posse-sa-day-2
11:45:12 <antoinevg> jwildeboer: Im @generation7 on hte twitters - don't know identi.ca - must investigate!
11:48:36 <jwildeboer> antoinevg: How can you not know about identi.ca, statusnet? ;-) A statusnet instance should be on every afrimesh node!!
11:53:33 <antoinevg> jwildeboer: *chortle* okayokay I'll make it so :)
11:56:51 <micadeyeye> jwildeboer: why does each afrismesh node need a statusnet instance?
11:58:07 <antoinevg> micadeyeye: For the same reason jabber decided every person should have their own IRC server ;-)
12:01:48 <jwildeboer> antoinevg: talk to @rejon, he will gladly help, I am sure ;-)
12:02:56 <micadeyeye> i would like to run a POSSE after this conference - http://www.ictforafrica.org/.
12:03:46 <micadeyeye> I can assume you they would be interested. We've got a perfect venue there.
12:05:21 <micadeyeye> assume -> assure
12:06:03 <jwildeboer> micadeyeye: federated systems are distributed, the more nodes, th emerrier ;-)
12:06:46 <micadeyeye> antoinevg: would you like to be a POSSE instructor?
12:06:57 <micadeyeye> you could be a tech guru.
12:07:53 <micadeyeye> antoinevg: http://piratepad.net/possesa
12:09:28 <antoinevg> micadeyeye: I hate the word guru but I'd _love_ to keep participating w/ #possesa! :)
12:11:04 <micadeyeye> antoinevg: lol!
12:12:20 <jwildeboer> antoinevg: we *need* you anyway :-)
12:12:35 <antoinevg> *grin*
12:30:18 <kevix> antoinevg: oh cool. I volunteer for OLPC. which has the only 802.11S working.
12:34:57 <kevix> antoinevg: oh, just noticed you mentioned villagetellco. I have followed the progress of the mesh potato.
12:35:09 <antoinevg> kevix: Yeah... we're using mainly B.A.T.M.A.N. from the http://open-mesh.org crew for routing. Tested it (and olsr.org too) on the XO though and it works great :)
12:35:51 <kevix> sounds like you have some fun ahead of you.
12:36:26 <kevix> olpc is not currently using 802.11s on the xo-1.5. its only operational on the xo-1.
12:37:35 <antoinevg> kevix: Yeah... heard there are some *cough* problems with the specification.
12:38:12 <kevix> 802.11s was ok with less than 30 nodes.
12:39:07 <kevix> if you want to try some hardware out, you can contact olpc via the contributors program. cozybit is helping also.
12:39:29 <antoinevg> *yum*
12:40:06 * antoinevg only has a 1.0 XO and a couple of pre-1.0 units
12:40:30 <kevix> ah. the b-2? or maybe c-1?
12:41:48 <kevix> at the moment olpc is working on getting the xo-1.75 with marvell cpu up to basic booting on testing HW. dont know the specfic marvell chips.
12:42:12 <kevix> for the wifi.
12:42:55 <antoinevg> Yeah, a couple of b-2's :)
12:43:16 * antoinevg would love to see an implementation of B.A.T.M.A.N. or OLSR for the XO's Marvell chipset
12:43:24 <kevix> the latest OS has sugar/gnome options.
12:43:33 <antoinevg> Folk are routinely building networks with hundreds of nodes using those two mesh protocols
12:43:46 <antoinevg> Cool!
12:43:52 <kevix> antoinevg: please apply for the contributers program for 2 or so xo-1.5s
12:44:07 <antoinevg> kevix: It would be my absolute pleasure :)
12:46:37 <antoinevg> kevix: If 1.5 has no mesh support it'll make a fun weekend project to do a decent packaging of B.A.T.M.A.N. for it that will mesh 'out-of-the-box' so to speak.
12:54:23 <kevix> the current non-AP method is with ad-hoc mode.
12:54:54 <kevix> i hear they use something called thin firmware on the marvell SDIO card
12:59:36 <antoinevg> Ah here we go... http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Thin_firmware_spec  Any sources yet for this? :)
13:00:33 <kevix> I expect so. you can email or vist #olpc and ask around.
13:01:04 <kevix> i know cozybit is/has but their stuff into the kernel.