07:10:20 #startmeeting 07:10:20 Meeting started Mon Jan 10 07:10:20 2011 UTC. The chair is sdziallas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 07:10:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 07:10:34 #chair mchua sdziallas 07:10:34 Current chairs: mchua sdziallas 07:10:48 #topic POSSE Doha -- Log 07:11:15 #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_modules#POSSE_001_-_POSSE_intensive 07:11:20 Hello, citizenben! 07:12:20 hey guys, I'm here 07:12:42 hi bilal! 07:13:12 hey sebestian! 07:15:28 Hi, bilal - we'll be transcribing in here so that (1) you can keep in sync, and (2) so we'll have a log afterwards. 07:15:41 I know it's very late for you, so whenever you need to sleep, that's okay. :) We'll write and catch you up later as well. 07:16:32 bilal: We'll try to stay as synchronous as possible, but we may end up being a little async when we talk here in the classroom, so feel free to forge ahead, write notes, ask questions, etc. and push as much input as possible out here so we'll respond to it. 07:16:36 Hey affan_ ! Excellent. 07:16:47 hello 07:17:03 bilal: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_modules#POSSE_001_-_POSSE_intensive 07:17:06 hi affan! 07:17:16 hello everyone 07:17:23 Sure, Mel (and thanks). 07:17:27 reminds me of my tweens :D 07:17:34 hi saquib 07:17:36 I am online folks 07:17:51 BBBBehRANGGG 07:17:52 Hurray! 07:17:53 everybody's here now :) 07:18:15 yes sir saqib 07:18:21 saquib 07:18:25 :( 07:18:28 oh sorry 07:25:08 Affan, can you please turn the webcam toward the whiteboard? 07:25:24 thanks. 07:25:29 you are welcome 07:27:24 (I'm sorry, I didn't catch the name of the speaker) 07:29:57 If you mean me, I'm behrang 07:30:11 and work on natural language processing 07:30:12 affan 07:30:38 thanks, Behrang. And, hi :) 07:30:53 hi :-) 07:39:25 sorry guys once again .. didn't catch what Mel said at the end 07:39:40 I can only hear people who are in front of the camera 07:39:55 bilal: What was the last thing you heard? 07:41:44 Okay. 07:41:46 Hello everyone! 07:41:53 Feel free to interrupt me with questions. 07:41:57 I'll be typing fast, so there will be typos. :) 07:42:06 should we go to some other website?" 07:42:12 IRC is the primary relatime communication method for the oepn source community. 07:42:16 affan_: Nope, we're good. 07:42:39 We have meetings, etc. on here. 07:42:49 Etiquette in the channel is like walking into a lounge/lab. 07:43:02 There may be conversations going on already. 07:43:03 entire meetings on IRC? 07:43:06 is webchat the defacto gateway to irc? 07:43:07 Feel free to start your own anyway. 07:43:15 affan_: Yep. Entire teams interact this way. 07:43:37 I've run meetings with dozens of people this way; we give presentations, classes, 50-100 people isn't too much. 07:43:42 But the average meeting size is closer to 10-30. 07:44:03 citizenben: Webchat isn't the defacto gateway, but it is the easiest (no software installation required) so we tend to introduce people to IRC using webchat. 07:44:20 All the commands are the same - those of you in Qatar will notice I'm *not* using webchat to connect to irc. 07:44:39 those who use IRC often usually install a specialized program (I use irssi, XChat and Chatzilla, Pidgin are also popular) 07:44:44 because the interface is better. 07:44:47 But webchat is fine. 07:45:05 One thing you'll also notice (esp. those of you in Qatar) is that we often have multiple parallel streams of information. 07:45:12 I'm typing now and Sebastian is talking. 07:45:17 Don't worry about trying to catch everything. 07:45:28 Focus on what you think is most useful to *you* - we do a lot of self-directed learning in the FOSS world. 07:45:43 What matters is that *you* make something that makes meaning for you, and that you can defend it. 07:45:49 (Think "research.") 07:46:15 (You each do your own research, you hunt and gather through a jungle of information to do it, you share tips and notes with colleagues, but ultimately your project is yours.) 07:46:22 (And you justify that to the people you work with.) 07:46:37 #link http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html 07:46:49 That's basic IRC commands. Feel free to use that to look up things. 07:47:12 (Also feel free to stop listening to us at any point and search the web to help you learn whatever you need to accomplish what you need to do.) 07:48:25 When you're working on a project, is there typically a channel that's *always* active for people working on that ? 07:48:34 bilal: Yes. 07:48:39 makes sense 07:48:51 Just like a lab lounge, there may be more or less people in it at certain times. 07:48:58 So you may sometimes walk into an empty room. 07:49:02 Or you may walk into a room with a party in it. 07:49:04 what about diagrams or flowcharts? 07:49:07 bilal: That's hard. :) 07:49:16 We sketch things out, take pictures, post them online, and send each other links. 07:49:20 translation: not advisable? :) 07:49:25 But it's less than ideal, since it's very text-based here. 07:49:27 Yep. 07:49:42 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sdz 07:49:46 bilal: Take a look at that link. 07:49:49 It's Sebastian's user page. 07:50:04 is it common to write down the agenda of the current chat for a room? for someone who is just walking in? 07:50:04 These are basically "profile pages" for people working on open source projects. Typically you'll make one for whatever project you work on. 07:50:21 citizenben: Yes, oftentimes for formal meetings there'll be an agenda drawn up beforehand. (It's advisable, anyway.) 07:50:33 citizenben: But there's also empty hang-out time/space where there is no agenda. 07:50:39 Think of it like an offline meeting space. 07:50:43 * saquib is happy 07:50:47 There will be meetings with agendas, and people walking in then can be given copies of the agenda. 07:51:08 But there are also random conversations, and people who walk in then can just ay "hi, what are you folks talking about?" and they'll be caught up. 07:51:21 * saquib is saying hello 07:51:38 Hullo, saquib! 07:51:50 Now, there are no people other than us talking (for now) here, but if random folks join us you'll see what happens. :) 07:52:00 * rrix says hi 07:52:04 Hi Doha! 07:52:07 Hey, rrix! 07:52:28 URL please? 07:53:00 #link http://openetherpad.org/posse-doha 07:53:07 rrix: Join us there, we'll catch everyone up in a moment :) 07:53:21 * rrix clikcy 07:53:49 rrix: Say hi in the doc too :) 07:54:13 rrix: sdziallas is explaining who you are in-person. 07:54:18 bilal: did you catch that? 07:54:21 Cool beans :) 07:54:25 * affan_ hello rrix 07:54:29 kinda sorta ... not really 07:54:33 Hello affan_ :) 07:56:08 Mel please move closer to the mic ... can't hear you from there :( 07:57:14 hey Ryan ... 07:57:55 rrix = ryan, correct? 07:58:06 Correct 07:58:08 :) 07:58:13 rrix: can I have an account on the teachingopensource wiki? 07:58:23 how do I create an account for a wiki page 07:58:44 You can register for an account 07:58:47 I am being ignored on etherpad 07:58:47 * rrix pulls up the link 07:58:59 #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup 07:59:06 rrix.. we just decided, in doha, that you help out bilal 07:59:12 as both of you are remote 07:59:20 Hi Ben 07:59:21 rrix: So, what we're doing is creating wiki userpages for everyone. 07:59:25 Okiedoke 07:59:26 hey ryan, so let's get this going? 07:59:27 rrix: The catch is that you can't edit your own userpage. 07:59:31 bilal let's pair up 07:59:36 Can you edit my wiki page 07:59:36 mchua: oooh, sneaky 07:59:43 citizenben: I'll pair with you. 08:00:01 thanks mchua 08:00:08 rrix: So what should happen here is that bilal talks with you on IRC, here, about who he is, the work he's doing, etc. 08:00:19 rrix: and you will edit a user page for him. 08:00:20 Then switch. 08:00:24 And I … right 08:00:26 okay! 08:00:31 Alright ... 08:00:33 You may need to help him make an account and learn how to edit the wiki when you switch, rrix. 08:00:41 citizenben: Okay, let's start. 08:00:41 who am I paired with now? 08:00:54 Okay, bilal 08:00:54 I am confused... 08:00:56 citizenben: You'll want to begin by making an account on the wiki. 08:00:57 Ryan, I'm Bilal ... lecturer at Univ of Southern California, post-doc at Information Sciences Institute 08:00:58 I have an account 08:01:03 * affan_ saquib 08:01:10 but where is my wiki page 08:01:10 research in computer architecture and stuff ... 08:01:10 citizenben: I'll get you a link for that. 08:01:12 I'm creating the wiki account on teachingopen... 08:01:14 I will fill out a page for you 08:01:15 that I am not allowed to edit 08:01:21 saquib 08:01:42 how do you write directly to a user on irc? 08:01:46 where is my page 08:01:50 use @ sign? 08:01:52 #info We will pause twice - 11:15 and 11:20 - to see where people are. 08:02:00 citizenben: Just write their name in your message, like I just did with this one. 08:02:07 bilal: Okay, cool. What kind of interest or involvment do you have in open source do you have? 08:02:12 citizenben: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=POSSE 08:02:17 affan_: 08:02:26 affan_: 08:02:26 citizenben: Make an account :) and then tell me what the account name is, and a little bit about yourself. 08:02:30 saquib: I am creating your account 08:02:30 affan_: 08:02:31 affan_: 08:02:43 #info IRC clients support tab-completion. 08:02:51 affan_: where is my account 08:02:59 rrix: so I'm really interested in figuring out why FOSS isn't so popular in hardware design ...and how to fix that. 08:02:59 where is my page 08:03:06 mchua I creacted an account named ctzenben 08:03:11 bilal and rrix, you guys ok? I'll assume you're fine unless you holler here with questions. :) 08:03:13 yes 08:03:20 username is saquibrazak 08:03:27 saquib: can you link me to his webpage 08:03:28 citizenben: Okay, then your userpage is http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Citizenben 08:03:29 mchua: I think so, yeah 08:03:32 citizenben: I'm assuming it was "citizenben" :) 08:03:42 rrix, bilal: Oh - we're trying to finish all this in 27 minutes. :D 08:03:48 yeah, I think so too. except that I haven't figure out how to create an account yet :) 08:03:50 mchua: for both? 08:04:00 rrix: Yes. 08:04:02 bilal: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup 08:04:04 mchua: k 08:04:13 citizenben: Okay, start telling me about yourself and I'll edit your page. 08:04:15 bilal: What's your RealName? 08:04:20 citizenben: You can look over my shoulder to see what I'm doing if you like. 08:04:38 rrix: Bilal Zafar ... these days ;) 08:04:49 mchua: I'm a postdoc at Carnegie Mellon Qatar 08:04:55 hehe, okay! 08:04:57 citizenben: Basically, type what you said during our introduction - just a sentence, two, three - if you have a webpage or a project page, link me to them. 08:04:59 Working on Arabic human language technology 08:05:00 citizenben: Perfect :) 08:05:08 thanks rrix 08:05:19 * rrix changes IRC copy pasta in to wiki page, one moment 08:05:28 citizenben: How did you spell your username? 08:05:34 "citizenben?" 08:05:41 ctzenben 08:05:44 ctzenben? 08:05:48 ok.. Affan, get to work now 08:05:49 oh, ok - I thought it was a typ 08:05:50 er typo 08:05:55 * mchua grins sheepishly 08:05:58 I still dont see my information on my widi 08:06:01 mchua: sorry I should have been clear 08:06:15 citizenben: no, my bad :) 08:06:21 citizenben: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Ctzenben is your page then 08:06:24 watch me 08:06:28 affan_: 08:06:44 you are supposed to work on my wiki 08:06:46 teachingopensource is sllllooooowwww 08:06:52 saquib: on it man 08:06:56 citizenben: basically, this is what is happening in the background of someone you are working with remotely :) 08:06:57 so is affan 08:07:04 I might also be interrupted by my roommate, etc. 08:07:07 you don't know 08:07:09 since all we have is IRC 08:07:21 so you can only really guess (and ask) what I'm doing, and vice versa 08:07:48 mchua: I get permission error when I try to edit saquibs page 08:08:04 I think that means you dont have permissions to edit my page 08:08:12 how do you specify your status (eg. away, not at desk) on irc? 08:08:13 bilal: what Username are you using to register? 08:08:19 It's conventional to announce when your status changes (out of courtesy) to those you're talking to. For instance I might tell you "getting a drink, brb" 08:08:20 affan: what does the error page say? 08:08:21 bilal 08:08:25 affan_: ^^ 08:08:26 saquib: can you go and see how you can give me permissions 08:08:29 Ok 08:08:30 citizenben: You can also change your nick 08:08:35 with /nick 08:08:38 Permission error From Teaching Open Source Jump to: navigation, search You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: You must confirm your e-mail address before editing pages. Please set and validate your e-mail address through your user preferences. 08:08:47 bilal: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Bilal 08:08:49 for instance, I type "/nick mchua_afk" now (no quotes) 08:08:53 mel, how do i give permissions to affan 08:08:58 citizenben: brb, water :) 08:08:59 affan_: well, then confirm your email address :) 08:09:06 saquib: 08:09:06 rrix: I don't think my account is active yet ... no email in my inbox yet. 08:09:12 citizenben: back :) 08:09:18 saquib: 08:09:23 citizenben: usually for that short a break you wouldn't do that, but you get the idea :) 08:09:33 citizenben: also, http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Ctzenben 08:09:34 sdziallas: sorry for the error report it had the tabs 08:09:37 citizenben: you have stuff up on there :) 08:09:42 if you'd like me to add a link to your project I can. 08:09:47 But otherwise it's your turn to edit mine. 08:09:53 bilal: You should be able to use the wiki without confirming your email 08:10:06 everyone, gmail sent the account confirmation email to Spam - so check there if you're not seeing hte email 08:10:36 rrix: thanks 08:10:48 bilal: Oo, good note. 08:10:54 bilal: can you think of anything else you'd like to see on the page? 08:11:03 citizenben: I'm done :) 08:11:08 sdziallas: no email as yet 08:11:09 citizenben: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Ctzenben 08:11:11 citizenben: your page is ready :) 08:11:12 mchua: how is it going? anything you're waiting for my side? 08:11:14 i got my account email 08:11:17 thanks 08:11:17 citizenben: Your turn to edit mine, so... yes. 08:11:18 Okay. 08:11:20 rrix: yeah, ice cream, smoothie will do too (it's hot in my office) 08:11:34 Qatar, cool :-) 08:11:37 hahaha 08:11:38 the email has been confirmend 08:11:38 citizenben: You go to http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Mchua 08:11:39 mchua: should i edit your page? 08:11:42 confirmed 08:11:48 CMU has a campus there, I know one or two people there :-) 08:11:49 citizenben: There is an "edit" button at the top, on the black menu bar 08:11:50 rrix: (j/k) 08:11:50 saquib: then why dont u edit my page 08:11:56 citizenben: click that, and you'll see the text become editable. 08:11:59 go search for intiha (my nick) 08:12:00 ricky: there'll be fedora-websiteness coming from here soon :) 08:12:02 bilal: I could find you an image to put on the page? :) 08:12:10 Cool 08:12:13 ricky: Hey! Introduce yourself! :D :D 08:12:17 http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Intiha 08:12:18 ricky: I didn't expect you to be up so late 08:12:21 rrix: sure, why not ? got nothing to loose, do I? 08:12:25 hehehe 08:12:26 mchua: so your page is open for editing to the entire community? 08:12:33 citizenben: Yup. 08:12:33 saquib: affan_ posted his link above! 08:12:35 Yeah... flight got delayed, <6 hours until classes start 08:12:44 ricky: *wince* I'm sorry to hear that. You gonna be ok? 08:12:45 rrix: let me start editing yours too. 08:12:46 rrix: who do you know here in Qatar? 08:12:47 username? 08:12:54 ricky: Jan 18 for me :P 08:13:05 Anyway, off to sleep, I'll read around about what's going on there this week :-) Have fun 08:13:05 citizenben: So, let's see... an edit you can make. 08:13:06 saquib: I don't know anyone in Qatar, I'm just here for the ice cream 08:13:10 :) 08:13:14 bilal: My username is Rrix 08:13:16 ricky: We'll explain who you are after you're gone :) I'm glad you dropped by 08:13:23 (surprise!) ;) 08:13:25 citizenben: the first paragraph, after "...see if I'll be traveling near you sometime soon." 08:13:34 citizenben: can you add a note saying I'm currently in Qatar? 08:13:40 citizenben: and then save the page 08:13:53 rrix: yeah, that's complicated! 08:13:58 we have two minutes 08:13:59 #info CHECK IN TIME! 08:14:07 bilal: rrix: status updates and questions? 08:14:07 saquib: 08:14:12 rrix: info now 08:14:17 mchua: we finished bilal's, now working on mine 08:14:20 so affan what should I put for your page 08:14:20 name, location, SSN, BOD 08:15:05 rrix: so, name, location, SSN, DoB ;) 08:15:36 bilal: My name's Ryan Rix, I'm a freshman in Computer Science at Arizona State University in Tempe, Arizona... I'm interning with Red Hat, working on planning FUDCon, Fedora's User and Developer Conference, and also acting as a bit of a TA for POSSE graduates 08:15:54 ssn == 123-45-6789 :P 08:16:05 And my birthday is next week, Jan 17 08:16:15 Oh man, next week! 08:16:22 affan_: can you please send me the information 08:16:49 mchua: It seems that I can't edit your page... I'm on the editor page, but I can't actually input text 08:17:01 bilal: I like long walks on the beach and working on the KDE project (http://kde.org), and exploring drains and tunnels around my campus :P 08:17:14 rrix: Why so coy? Nothign to hide ... it's all about 'openness' ;0 08:17:16 My name is Affan Syed. I am a Assistant Professor at FAST-NUCES University in Pakistan. 08:17:23 citizenben: Are you logged in? 08:17:42 yes 08:17:44 rrix: *cough* 08:17:53 @mchua: yes 08:17:58 I am a CS systems researcher, and am interested in the areas of computer networks, underwater sensor networks, energy harvesting in sensor networks. 08:17:59 sdziallas: hmm? Do you not like long walks on the beach? :) 08:18:08 rrix: ;) 08:18:09 citizenben: Odd. What is the error message - can you paste it here for me? 08:18:18 rrix: will discuss that during the retreat... 08:18:22 citizenben: (since we have a little buffer time, I'd like to show you how we'd typically debug this sort of stuff online) 08:18:23 I am also looking into the area of cloud and mobile computing. 08:18:26 rrix: anything else? 08:18:36 bilal: I think that is about all :) 08:18:40 bilal: "I liek FOSS" 08:18:43 mchua: sure 08:18:50 sdziallas: oooh, now I'm interested. :P 08:19:00 saquib: that should be enough, no? 08:19:15 rrix: fixed formatting 08:19:23 no or yes 08:19:35 ahh, shweet! 08:19:39 rrix: oh, and on my page ... please remove "making" 08:19:39 affan_: Hrm, we might want to put you in touch with some of the cloud folks in Fedora 08:19:45 @saquib: maybe! 08:19:51 affan_: rbergeron, who's usually in here, can fill you in more on that 08:19:57 bilal: d'oh! Thanks for the catch! 08:20:08 affan_: you wiki page is done! 08:20:11 rrix: btw, are you in AZ right now? 08:20:19 bilal: I am, yup 08:20:22 mchua: that would be interesting, I was looking into eucalyptus as a way for people to install and get *free* cloud services like Amazon's 08:20:29 * rrix updated [[User:bilal]] 08:20:33 affan_: Yep, rbergeron is the right person to talk to 08:20:38 she runs the Fedora Cloud SIG meetings 08:20:38 rrix: cool, so someone else's just as nuts as I am ;) (I'm in LA right now) 08:20:39 affan_: oh yes, that's... indeed :) 08:20:52 citizenben: ok, where are you at? Still stuck on the error message? 08:21:02 You're logged in for sure? That usually happens when you're not logged in... 08:21:05 bilal: This is the only place in the US not nuts right now :) I can walk outside in short sleeve shirt, where else can we do that? ;) 08:21:07 citizenben: can you show me the error message here? 08:21:12 rrix: florida :P 08:21:12 mchua: who is this rbergeron 08:21:20 @mchua: I don't get any error. It seems to be a browser probem. let me check again 08:21:21 mchua: pffffff 08:21:29 Hey everyone: I still DONT have that confirmation email 08:21:40 i even got it resent 08:21:47 affan_: Robyn Bergeron - I want to explain Ricky, Robyn, and Ryan when we decompress at the end of this. 08:21:53 affan_: ...huh. um, sdziallas, can haz help? 08:22:08 mchua: no idea, he already requested a second one. 08:22:31 @mchua: Just realized that I need to validate my email address b4 being abe to edit 08:22:33 rrix: or my office! I must be 78-deg here! 08:22:37 @mchua: give me a min 08:22:48 mmm, warm :) 08:22:49 citizenben: No worries :) 08:22:59 citizenben: OH! Yes, that would do it. 08:23:00 rrix: btw, I wouldn't advise you to walk out ... not to Safeway at least! You've got some nuts out there! 08:23:19 affan_: with buzz 08:23:22 Once you have permission, citizenben, you'll be able to make the edit in a matter of seconds, so we might still make it. 08:23:24 bilal: eh... politics discussion another time. :) 08:23:26 saquib: whats the link 08:23:30 of my webpage :D 08:23:32 bilal: So, the wiki stuff... pretty easy? did you have any issues figuring out the formatting? it looks good. :) 08:23:52 bilal and rrix: at the end, we'll ask everyone to paste the URLs to their userpages in channel 08:23:53 rrix: nah, not really. seemed straight forward enough. 08:24:01 affan_, saquib, citizenben ^^ 08:24:04 saquib: 08:24:08 now give me ur info 08:24:09 (note: ^^ means "see above message") 08:24:11 oh oh 08:24:12 ok 08:24:14 asap 08:24:18 http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Bilal 08:24:26 saquib: I want to get it in 08:24:37 mchua: :) 08:24:37 bilal: awesome! 08:24:43 affan_, saquib: If sdziallas interrupts you for a check-in when you're in the middle of doing something, just tell him you'll be there in a moment and he'll start with everyone else ;) 08:24:50 My name is Saquib Razak and I am a Post-doctoral research associate at Carnegie Mellon University in Doha 08:25:21 saquib: thats it? 08:25:21 sdziallas: I'll be with you in a minute 08:25:51 sdziallas, saquib, bilal, citizenben, affan_ - we'll take questions on this over lunch, so we can stick to our schedule 08:25:52 rrix: are you going to stick around for a while? I'm feelin' sleepy (Zzzz''zzz'z'z'z') 08:26:09 bilal: I'm gonna sleep after this excersise, i think 08:26:11 bilal: If you have questions, I can take them now 08:26:13 I've been working all day nao 08:26:16 rrix: can you vuvuzela bilal? 08:26:19