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13:03:37 <JonathanD> But the point stands. I'm enjoying mchua's points here myself.
13:04:14 <mchua> I'll repaste them for the logs, one second (and apologies for crappy formatting incoming).
13:04:18 <JonathanD> mchua: I'd like to ask you sometime about your opinions on where the breakdown is, as far as what should be irc and what email :)
13:04:31 <mchua> 07:58 < Erkan_Yilmaz_> you know there is an advantage of writing here, like:
13:04:34 <mchua> others also see, otherwise why not use just email?
13:04:37 <mchua> 07:59 < mchua> Erkan_Yilmaz_: Yeah, it lets other people jump into realtime
13:04:40 <mchua> discussions.
13:04:43 <mchua> 07:59 < mchua> Email is important, I think, and after a good discussion I tend
13:04:46 <mchua> to ask folks to summarize-to-list so people who weren't present
13:04:49 <mchua> can keep up on what was going on.
13:04:51 <mchua> 08:00 < Erkan_Yilmaz_> well, I just see here is not so much action
13:04:54 <mchua> 08:00 < mchua> There's a place for spontaneous synchronous comms and a place
13:04:57 <mchua> for asynchronous and archived ones, and using both together can
13:05:00 <mchua> be a challenge but also an awesome balance.
13:05:02 <mchua> 08:00 < mchua> Erkan_Yilmaz_: Yeah, it tends to be quieter during the semester
13:05:05 <mchua> because everyone is at classes, or teaching.
13:05:08 <mchua> 08:00 < Erkan_Yilmaz_> ok
13:05:10 <mchua> 08:00 < mchua> Erkan_Yilmaz_: The analogy I sometimes use is that this is sort
13:05:13 <mchua> of like a lab lounge or cafeteria.
13:05:16 <mchua> 08:01 < mchua> Sometimes meetings will be scheduled in it, sometimes people
13:05:19 <mchua> will idle here while doing (individual) work
13:05:21 <mchua> 08:01 < Erkan_Yilmaz_> ok :-)
13:05:24 <mchua> 08:01 < mchua> but it lowers the activation energy for "overhearing" stuff.
13:05:27 <mchua> 08:01 < mchua> Like how it's more likely someone will realize I'm reading my
13:05:30 <mchua> Computer Architecture book in the lunchroom, and therefore ask
13:05:33 <mchua> me about it, than if I were sitting in my room alone reading.
13:05:36 <mchua> ...ouch.
13:05:39 <mchua> ...sorry about that folks, but now it's in the logs.
13:05:41 <mchua> JonathanD: Oh, now is fine. I think it depends a lot on the group and the time, really.
13:05:44 <mchua> JonathanD: I think it's more of "there are things that asynch is good for, there are things that synch is good for, what you want to accomplish at any given point in time determines what tools you should use."
13:06:02 <mchua> JonathanD: because your question of the balance between irc/email feels to me a little like someone saying "what should the balance be between me using pliers and using a hammer?"
13:06:47 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> well, I using IRC a lot and as a "newcomer" IRC activity signals to me how much activity in the group is in general, though that "metric" may be wrong in this context
13:07:07 <mchua> Email and IRC are both text-based communication methods (which have things like ease of logging and translation, but lack of body language, etc.)
13:07:28 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> my impression so far: IRC gives fast help if needed + people who use IRC also use email a lot I'd say
13:07:44 <mchua> Erkan_Yilmaz_: Yeah, that *is* one benefit of IRC - it's more "realtime," it's easier for newcomers to see, and so it's a tool you might want to focus more on if you want to make things easier for newcomers.
13:08:08 <mchua> Erkan_Yilmaz_: What do you think about the entry barrier to IRC itself?
13:08:27 <JonathanD> I do think it's very dependant on the community involved, mchua.
13:08:46 <mchua> Erkan_Yilmaz_: I've heard some people say that IRC was great to get started once they learned to use it, but *realizing* they had to learn IRC, and setting up IRC stuff on their own, was difficult.
13:08:50 <JonathanD> certain IRC communities don't lend themselves to complex discussion.
13:09:23 <mchua> JonathanD: Hrm. How's that - and why? I struggle to think of examples.
13:09:26 <JonathanD> personally I feel getting into a community via irc has a lower barrier to entry than via a mailing list.
13:09:28 <mchua> But I can see that they might exist.
13:09:30 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> problmes I have seen with IRC when using with Wikiversity was: 1. tehcnically not working (people's pcs had not software, so we tended to use web services, but these also have probs)
13:09:47 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> 2. privacy concerns- e.g. I paste my chat logs online, but another person who is more conservative may be a littel shocked that suddenly meeting bot is turned on :-(
13:09:49 <mchua> JonathanD: Well, you're also saying that as someone who's already used to using IRC - once you can assume knowledge of the tool, then totally, IRC is easiest.
13:09:55 <JonathanD> mchua: irc is more "now" oriented than mailing lists.
13:10:13 <JonathanD> mchua: right, once you "know" irc, all you need is "where is the channel" to get involved
13:10:15 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> "<JonathanD> personally I feel getting into a community via irc has a lower barrier to entry than via a mailing list." agree, you can experiment more before diving in
13:10:32 <JonathanD> while mailing lists each have their own methods to getting invovled.
13:10:41 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> "JonathanD> mchua: right, once you "know" irc, all you need is "where is the channel" to get involved" agree
13:10:59 <mchua> Erkan_Yilmaz_: Ooh, good point on both there. I've run into #1 a lot... the trouble is that if people can't get online you don't even know they're struggling in the first place.
13:11:05 <mchua> I'm not sure how to help those folks.
13:11:10 <JonathanD> anyway, an irc channel for a more disjointed community may be a poor decision making place.
13:11:26 <JonathanD> It might not be a bad general discussion place, though.
13:11:32 <JonathanD> I've seen this in practice.
13:11:34 <mchua> JonathanD: +1 - I think IRC is almost always a poor decision making place.
13:11:50 <mchua> *unless* it's been agreed, asynchronously, that the final decision will be made on IRC at $time in $place.
13:11:53 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> "disjointed community": I've seen also people who say: decision mad ein irc are not ok, since not all people participate
13:11:55 <JonathanD> mchua: unless the community involved is there at a scheduled time... yeah.
13:11:58 <JonathanD> that.
13:12:12 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> "mchua> *unless* it's been agreed, asynchronously, that the final decision will be made on IRC at $time in $place." yes
13:12:14 <JonathanD> If a community CAN agree on that, then it works. If not, not so much.
13:12:36 <JonathanD> This isn't an "IRC" problem though.
13:12:38 <mchua> Erkan_Yilmaz_: You're right. Not being careful about that sort of thing leads to people feeling like they're being left out, and that tends to make them leave.
13:12:50 <JonathanD> It's an asynch vs sync problem
13:12:58 <mchua> +1
13:13:09 <mchua> It's *exactly* the same thing that happens without the internet.
13:13:25 <JonathanD> Some communitied can do stuff sync, and if they can, they may benefit from faster decision making at that point in time.
13:13:30 <mchua> When people complain "well you always hold that meeting when I have to pick my kids up from school" or "why do we always meet in California, I live in NYC"
13:13:44 <JonathanD> But if they can't, doing it async is better than not doing it at all.
13:14:00 <mchua> JonathanD: I think sometimes one of the tradeoffs is "do I want to do things quickly and probably involve fewer people, or slowly and involve more?"
13:14:10 <JonathanD> Absolutely tru.e
13:14:36 <mchua> And another tradeoff is "do I want to involve people deeply (slow) or quickly (but in a shallow manner)?"
13:14:51 <mchua> For instance, voting - you want a lot of people, fast, in a relatively shallow way.
13:15:02 <JonathanD> mchua: for scheduled irc meetings, pre-existing agendas allow a bit for both.
13:15:11 <JonathanD> especially when folks can comment on them in advance.
13:15:28 <mchua> Aye, because that pulls the discussion in the slower/asynchronous category.
13:15:35 <JonathanD> Yes
13:15:40 <JonathanD> You get a little bit of both worlds.
13:15:44 <JonathanD> Not quite the best of, though.
13:15:57 <mchua> Some meeting organizers chafe at that, btw.
13:15:59 <JonathanD> The vote will tend to end up towards those that can be active in it.
13:16:44 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> may I ask the topic of the discussion? e.g. a general one on usage of media, or?
13:16:52 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> (communication media)
13:16:59 <JonathanD> Well.
13:17:08 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> or can it turn also to another direction :-)
13:17:22 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> because I agree with all above :-)
13:17:37 <mchua> Erkan_Yilmaz_: Oh, uh... sure, I think we can turn it to something else, I think we were all just hanging out and started talking about this because we felt like it. :)
13:17:50 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> :-)
13:18:00 <mchua> As far as I know, this wasn't a meeting with an agenda. ;) Go for it!
13:18:03 <JonathanD> I was involved some months ago with a thing here at university of penn.  We were there for a dya to teach undergrads about getting involved in open source.
13:18:21 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> how was the experience?
13:18:26 <JonathanD> It was good.
13:18:32 <mchua> Erkan_Yilmaz_: (And feel free to thread your new discussion topic in, even if it feels like it's "interrupting" stuff - we'll thread it into the main convo soon enough.)
13:18:33 <JonathanD> Hoping to do it again
13:18:46 <mchua> mwhitehe: (uh, also feel free to jump in and interrupt, or PM me if we need to talk somewhere quieter.)
13:18:47 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> mchua, ok
13:18:51 <JonathanD> My involvement was in showing them how to use irc and mailing lists, etc.
13:18:54 <JonathanD> Hence my interest.
13:19:19 <mwhitehe> mchua: I'm in an EMT-B recertification class. :-(
13:19:50 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> JonathanD, ok
13:19:52 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> hi mwhitehe
13:20:02 <mwhitehe> mchua: real quickly, I've made progress in assembling my materials for a POSSE kernel programming class.
13:20:09 <mwhitehe> I hope to be ready for the fall.
13:20:58 <mchua> JonathanD: Oooh, I would be *very* interested in how you taught that, if there were good reusable materials, etc.
13:21:00 <mwhitehe> It'll be a class on tuning up network device drivers. Step-by-step instructions for a professor to provide to students. like a 1 credit class for seniors/grad students.
13:21:09 <mchua> mwhitehe: Oh dude, that's great! Where is it?
13:21:27 <mwhitehe> it's a spreadsheet right now. :-)
13:21:31 <mchua> mwhitehe: er... that is, the materials - as well as plans for deployment, do you have them or do you need 'em? There were some profs in Doha that might be interested...
13:21:57 <mchua> JonathanD: POSSE has *no* materials for teaching mailing lists right now.
13:22:19 <mchua> JonathanD: Just the one exercise on IRC, http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/IRC_and_wiki_introduction_exercise - but I personally think that one works pretty well. </bias>
13:22:35 <mwhitehe> I plan to make it an OpenCourseware  / Creative Commons book.
13:24:47 <mchua> mwhitehe: Excellent!
13:24:55 <mchua> mwhitehe: Are you thinking of actively deploying that curriculum in the fall?
13:25:36 <mwhitehe> I have a professor at University of San Francisco that wanted me to do it this semester but I had to defer him until fall.
13:25:58 <mwhitehe> he gives students projects from industry sponsors.
13:26:01 <mwhitehe> 'real life' projects.
13:26:06 <JonathanD> mchua: I'll take a look at it.
13:26:23 <JonathanD> and maybe I'll throw something together about mls thats a little more reusable.
13:26:34 <mchua> JonathanD: I'd be keen on hearing what you did for mailing lists, and if it's something we can turn into a similar exercise/materials.
13:26:37 <JonathanD> mchua: I think we're doing a similar event in binghamton shortly.
13:26:38 <mchua> JonathanD: jinx :)
13:26:52 <JonathanD> So I do have cause to work on the materials.
13:27:23 <mchua> JonathanD: Ooh, when? Can you spam TOS about it?
13:27:35 <mchua> JonathanD: If it fits with my schedule I can at least try to idle on IRC then.
13:27:50 <JonathanD> Probably the 20th.
13:27:52 <JonathanD> of feb
13:28:09 <mchua> JonathanD: And I think that building up a shared repository of exercises (like the irc thing, or the ml thing if you write it) will help a number of folks
13:28:20 <mchua> JonathanD: your workshops, my workshops, profs trying to introduce these tools to their classes
13:28:25 <mchua> quaid: ^^^ textbook
13:28:40 <mchua> mwhitehe: Oh, awesome. Is he on the TOS list?
13:28:55 <JonathanD> mchua: the organizer is on freenode as well. I'll try to get him to stop by.
13:29:18 <mchua> mwhitehe: How can we help, and how can we keep track of what's going on with that?
13:29:20 <mwhitehe> Professor  Jeff Buckwalter at usfca.edu
13:29:29 <mwhitehe> don't think he's plugged in
13:29:46 <mchua> mwhitehe: Ok - does he want to be, or is it more a "I'm super-busy, take these students and do something cool with them"?
13:29:49 <mchua> (either is fine)
13:31:36 <mchua> Erkan_Yilmaz_: (btw, I don't want you to feel like you can no longer jump into the convo... keep chiming in, and if there's something you want to talk about, holler too. :)
13:31:53 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> I am just reading mchua
13:31:57 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> (here)
13:31:58 * mchua will have to head out in about 10m, for the record
13:32:23 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> it gives me a direction what people or TOS here are "fighting" with
13:32:34 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> when I read like: exercises for IRC + mailing list for example
13:32:48 <mchua> JonathanD: So, one of the things that might line up with what you're doing quite nicely... sdziallas_afk and I have been talking about the possibility of doing http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_modules#Core_modules this summer.
13:33:09 <mchua> JonathanD: Online modules to teach specific skills we'd normally teach at a POSSE - "core" FOSS participation practices and the tools that support them.
13:33:43 <mchua> JonathanD: One idea is to run those - trial run - over the summer and get Summer of Code students to try 'em out.
13:34:11 <mwhitehe> mchua: I don't know his busy level. You could inquire: buckwalter@usfca.edu
13:34:28 <mchua> JonathanD: They'd run as scheduled IRC meetings - maybe some reading/prep, 90m of IRC, and some followup homework, possibly a second 90m IRC meeting a week later to sync up again... (we're not doing this *for sure*, it's an idea bouncing around.)
13:34:29 <JonathanD> mchua: http://opensource.com/life/10/11/introducing-students-world-open-source-day-1
13:34:32 <JonathanD> thats the penne event.
13:34:38 <JonathanD> *penn
13:34:41 <mchua> JonathanD: I saw that! It looked *spectacular.*
13:34:50 <JonathanD> mchua: I'm not sure if we'll have internet in bing :(
13:35:08 <mchua> mwhitehe: tbh, I don't think I have the bandwidth to potentially help another newbie start up long-term right now.
13:35:22 <mchua> mwhitehe: and as the mentor for that portion of his class, you're much better positioned to do that than I am, I think.
13:35:24 <mwhitehe> mchua: okies, I'll take it once I'm ready.
13:35:45 <mchua> mwhitehe: if you don't have the bandwidth for it either, that's *totally* understandable and perfectly ok, you're trying to do all this kernel-teaching stuff atop your normal job already :)
13:36:03 <JonathanD> mchua: it was a great little event.
13:36:05 <mchua> JonathanD: ...wait, how will you teach them about FOSS participation without internet?
13:36:10 <JonathanD> Very inspiring.
13:36:15 <JonathanD> mchua: I'm going to bring an internet with me.
13:36:30 <mchua> JonathanD: Local network, tool-teaching and then hoping they get into the "real world" later?
13:36:50 <JonathanD> an irc server, a git instance, a mailing list with webclients or some such.
13:36:58 <JonathanD> Or better yet we'll convince bing we need internet.
13:37:06 <JonathanD> still working on it :)
13:37:51 <mchua> mwhitehe: but if there's a one-time something we/I can do to help you set up to do the work you're already planning to do somewhere it's easily visible to the TOS universe, then that makes it easier for us to throw resources in your direction while you're teaching the class
13:38:12 <mwhitehe> mchua: okies
13:38:20 <mchua> mwhitehe: which I think is *awesome* and totally want to encourage and support however we can.
13:38:57 <mchua> mwhitehe: I think what I'd suggest is - when you're ready - if you can braindump "so, here's what I have and what I'm thinking of doing!" mid-rough-draft (before you finalize everything) to the TOS list
13:39:10 <mchua> mwhitehe: after you talk with the prof about whether he wants to be in on the TOS loop or not
13:40:16 <mchua> mwhitehe: (because if the answer's yes, then he should likely introduce himself then - and if the answer's no, that's a good initial condition to know, that you'll be the TOS primary point of contact)
13:40:30 <mchua> mwhitehe: ...sorry, I'm being unclear. Let me rephrase.
13:40:59 <mwhitehe> mchua: I'm getting good ideas here. for example, I need to add an IRC component. And I also learned about top-posting recently. :-)
13:41:25 <mchua> mwhitehe: What I'd suggest is (1) finding out whether the prof wants to (a) talk with the TOS community himself, (b) just lurk the list, or (c) leave all the TOS liasoning to you and have nothing to do with us himself right now.
13:41:29 <JonathanD> mmm
13:41:36 <JonathanD> I didn't cover top posting.
13:41:47 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> what is top posting?
13:42:07 <mwhitehe> JonathanD: save them the embarrassment, teach them to put responses at the BOTTOM of the reply-to message (not at the top).
13:42:09 <JonathanD> I should add that.
13:42:14 <mchua> mwhitehe: And then (2) braindumping what you've got to the TOS list - the setup for the course, what you're planning on teaching, who you're working with and how the class is structured, timing, and then <here's my curriculum!>
13:42:25 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> thanks mwhitehe
13:43:14 <JonathanD> mwhitehe: problem is, it's well...
13:43:25 <JonathanD> mwhitehe: ok, so I have 2 email clients up
13:43:26 <mchua> mwhitehe: And then (3) seeing what responses you get from that, and if you think that a mwhitehe-mchua followup would help to figure out a game plan of RHT-resources-for-TOS-support-of-your-class, ping me.
13:43:35 <JonathanD> Not because they access different accounts.
13:43:36 <mchua> mwhitehe: ...there we go. Hope that was a little more coherent. :)
13:43:46 <JonathanD> But because one of them top posts, and one bottom posts.
13:43:53 <JonathanD> I use the top posting one to deal with work emails.
13:43:54 <mchua> (also, +INFINITY on top-posting and strategic quoting of emails)
13:44:07 <JonathanD> Because if I don't, I get reamed out for sending empty replies :P
13:44:36 <mchua> I gotta run, guys - JonathanD, if you want to pick up on the making-materials-for-intro-FOSS workshops thing, can you bounce this to the TOS list and I'll pick up on it there?
13:44:44 <JonathanD> yes, sure.
13:44:48 <mchua> Thanks!
13:45:01 <mchua> JonathanD: I'm *really* hoping we can do something with that because it seems like multiple groups *should* be collaborating on the same materials here.
13:45:10 <JonathanD> I agree.
13:45:18 <JonathanD> Kinda the point of what we're teaching, isn't it?
13:45:34 <JonathanD> If we can't share, why are we telling everyone else to ;)
13:45:41 <mchua> JonathanD: And I'd be happy to talk with you about the stuff we do for wikis/IRC because I feel like POSSE teaches that stuff really well (I'm biased, though) but a lot of other things not-so-well (like mailing lists).
13:45:50 <mchua> So if you've got that part covered, we should trade :D
13:45:54 <mchua> JonathanD: Amen (re: sharing)
13:46:03 <mchua> #chair JonathanD mwhitehe Erkan_Yilmaz_
13:46:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: Erkan_Yilmaz_ JonathanD mchua mwhitehe
13:46:03 <JonathanD> Sounds good, mchua :)
13:46:15 <mchua> Y'all have bot-chair now and can #endmeeting when you're done talking, since I don't want to cut y'all off.
13:46:24 <mchua> Thanks folks - sorry I have to jet.
13:46:32 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> np, bye
13:46:34 * mchua misses conversations like this!
13:46:38 * mchua waves
13:46:57 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> well, some info why I was here actually:
13:47:04 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> I got directed to TOS by one person at Wikiversity (+1 year ago or so) + then read a little, interest turned down + some weeks ago I showed some interest again, but do not know why it turned down again, probably the lack of interaction in IRC I'd say (though mailing list shows activity + there is a wiki)
13:47:05 <JonathanD> I have to go in a bit actually :)
13:47:12 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> JonathanD, np
13:47:20 <JonathanD> But it's been a great discussion.
13:47:52 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> yes, good to get a peak on what's happening behind curtains
13:50:11 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> I am from Germany btw, where are you guys from?
13:54:09 <JonathanD> I'm in the US, near philadelphia
13:54:25 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> ok :-)
13:59:03 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> just out of curiosity: did someone do a survey on what people involved at TOS/POSSE use as other online services? e.g. if they are akin to online world?
13:59:11 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> e.g. I have seen on the planet list some blogs
13:59:15 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> but that is just it?
13:59:19 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> nothing more?
13:59:39 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> e.g. I did not see a TOS / POSSE account at twitter (though I prefer identi.ca due to cc licence)
14:07:31 <mwhitehe> I'm in Maryland/Washington DC on weekends. I travel weekdays.
14:08:36 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> thanks
14:08:55 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> I guess others in this room either sleep or died and we should call police for help for them :-)
14:24:08 <mwhitehe> trying to pay attention. class is really underway now.
14:24:19 <mwhitehe> might be tested on this stuph
14:26:59 <Erkan_Yilmaz_> oh, ok, don't be bothered then
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15:18:13 * Erkan_Yilmaz wonders why the Special:EmailUser/Erkan_Yilmaz is not working in the wiki? someone disabled this wiki function?
15:18:33 <Erkan_Yilmaz> and yes, I activated + verified my email in wiki pref.
15:29:50 <Erkan_Yilmaz> hm, so far I used sugar/XO only in a virtual machine: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_workshop_SCALE9x
15:51:34 <Erkan_Yilmaz> I'll put some questions I have here (1) while browsing the wiki - perhaps someone can clarify somehow later, feel also free to post somewhere else  (1) http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Erkan_Yilmaz#questions
15:52:31 <Erkan_Yilmaz> how is being bold interpreted in TOS wiki?
15:52:53 <Erkan_Yilmaz> e.g. can I change the upcoming events to a new page which lists them, because e.g. I would also list: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_workshop_SCALE9x there
15:53:04 <Erkan_Yilmaz> if no one answers in 5 mins, I will implement ;-)
16:01:19 <Erkan_Yilmaz> I see it exists already: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Upcoming_Events
17:10:04 <Erkan_Yilmaz> SPAM? http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Carrildennisn
17:11:10 <Erkan_Yilmaz> spam: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Aidanxreyesx
17:11:42 <Erkan_Yilmaz> http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/How_to_get_pregnant haha
17:31:10 <Erkan_Yilmaz> spam http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Williamsonnybg
18:02:51 <Erkan_Yilmaz> hm, even more spam on 21 January 2011
23:52:28 <Erkan_Yilmaz> hm, I got now since a few hours here always an error: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Special:Statistics
23:52:37 <Erkan_Yilmaz> can someone verify if this is not for me?
00:03:11 <Erkan_Yilmaz> I give all of you 1 mio. Dollar
00:13:14 <zumbon> auditing
00:14:27 <Erkan_Yilmaz> zumbon, you are a real human being?
00:18:11 <Jeff_S> Erkan_Yilmaz: are you?
00:18:28 <Erkan_Yilmaz> I knew money or sex would bring some out :-)
00:18:43 <Erkan_Yilmaz> Jeff_S, who knows when I save now I could give some in the future
00:19:04 * Erkan_Yilmaz just thins Jeff_S might also refer to the human thing :-(
00:19:28 <rrix> Erkan_Yilmaz: yes, that's what he's referring to
00:19:32 <Erkan_Yilmaz> I hope with the imperfection I proved I am human
00:19:43 <Erkan_Yilmaz> hi Jeff_S rrix
00:48:30 <JonathanD> mchua_afk: you around? :)
00:49:43 <variable> Hi
00:49:56 <variable> JonathanD, joined
00:50:21 <JonathanD> mchua_afk: variable is the guy I told you about, doing the thing in bing.
00:51:24 <JonathanD> variable: mchua_afk is afk, obviously :) But you guys should talk.
00:51:58 <variable> JonathanD, its not so obvious that he is afk ... nicks CAN lie :-)
00:52:10 <JonathanD> variable: she. But I think she is ;)
00:52:43 <variable> mchua_afk, if/when you get back later tonight ping me. I'm going back tomorrow so I will be AFK
00:52:46 <variable> JonathanD, cool
20:18:26 <ErkanYilmaz1> hmm
01:02:19 <mchua> #endmeeting