23:06:42 <mchua> #startmeeting
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23:06:47 <mchua> #chair rbergeron quaid
23:06:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: mchua quaid rbergeron
23:06:55 <mchua> #meetingname SCaLE 2011 prep
23:06:55 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'scale_2011_prep'
23:07:05 <mchua> rbergeron: Right, so!
23:07:19 <mchua> I have a hard stop on the hour, but iirc we were gonna try to get as much ninjahood into your talk as possible.
23:07:23 * mchua fires up an etherpad
23:07:28 <mchua> rbergeron: do you have the title/abstract somewhere?
23:08:06 <rbergeron> I do.
23:08:14 <rbergeron> Well, it's on the scale site. plzhold!
23:08:44 <rbergeron> Donde esta etherpad?
23:08:46 <rbergeron> Decentralized Collaboration with Open Source Tools: Technical and Cultural Implementation
23:08:54 <mchua> http://openetherpad.org/scale-tools-talk
23:09:47 <mchua> hooooolyshit yeah.
23:10:11 <rbergeron> Yeah - so I guess I have a few questions:
23:10:35 <rbergeron> This track isn't expected to be geared towards educators/education types - it's just a clone of what you have done in the past, correct?
23:10:49 <mchua> Uh... not sure if i follow.
23:10:50 <rbergeron> (Which I have participated in from afar on a few occasions during the WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF IRC portion)
23:11:02 <mchua> I believe it is part of the education track, but yes, it's pretty much "intro POSSE."
23:11:05 * mchua grins
23:11:07 <mchua> we'll get you to a live one someday, Robyn.
23:11:12 <rbergeron> lol
23:11:37 <rbergeron> I guess I'm wondering how much I'm needing to dive into the POSSE part, or if I can kind of one-slide that part and move onwards.
23:12:26 <mchua> Nah, one-slide it and move onwards.
23:12:27 <rbergeron> It's in the "Beginner" track.
23:12:35 <mchua> What I'm going to try to do here is put resources under each tool.
23:12:44 <mchua> for each tool, let's see if we can find a cultural... uh... note? compnent?
23:12:47 <mchua> component?
23:12:51 <rbergeron> I just wasn't sure what % we were thinking would be education-types, as far as audience.
23:12:51 <mchua> things like "more eyeballs make bugs shallow"
23:12:56 <mchua> or "release early release often"
23:13:00 <mchua> or "ask forgiveness not permission"
23:13:14 <mchua> and pair that with a tool, to show how the tools *support* the culture, they're not magical things that POOF solve all your problems.
23:15:05 <rbergeron> Can you explain the "classrooms" portion - I think I'm not quite intimately familiar with what you mean there.
23:15:18 <mchua> [[Classroom]] on the Fedora wiki.
23:15:27 <mchua> The notion that - so, in schools, you need permission to make a class, right?
23:15:30 <mchua> or to enroll in one.
23:15:43 <mchua> But really, in FOSS communities, you can just go "huh, I want to teach X" or "I want to learn X"
23:15:48 <rbergeron> (Not to skip around, but I figure I should probably ask what your planned context was)
23:15:59 <mchua> and declare a time and place and get people there together and poof, you have a class.
23:16:02 <mchua> That's the idea behind Classroom.
23:16:10 <mchua> Might be a nice "ask forgivness not permission" thing.
23:16:16 <rbergeron> But that idea isn't limited to IRC.
23:17:02 <mchua> Not at all.
23:17:05 <mchua> Hackathons, etc. work the same way.
23:17:16 <rbergeron> Okay.
23:18:32 <mchua> Is the stuff I'm writing helpful?
23:18:45 <rbergeron> Yes.
23:18:48 <rbergeron> I'm sort of watching and thinking.
23:19:26 <rbergeron> Thinking mostly about the culture angle
23:24:00 <rbergeron> I guess I'm also curious about what you had planned for the "how this ecosystem of tools can be deployed on ur infrastructurez"
23:24:45 <mchua> rbergeron: Oh, easy. Give links to the installation instructions for the software. :)
23:24:56 <rbergeron> ...were you actually going to go into "here's how to run an IRC server internal to your school / company" - or "how to run your own etherpad instance"
23:25:10 <rbergeron> Or more like - Here's how you install irssi / whatever client
23:25:12 <mchua> rbergeron: Hang on, $life interruption, brb - but you can see the layout here... tool and culture listing, example of usage, and "if you want to do this for your own stuff, here are resources."
23:25:29 <mchua> Nonono, just "for further information, more docs on this software setup and usage are riiiight over here."
23:25:32 <mchua> (brb)
23:25:35 <rbergeron> mchua: okay. cool
23:25:45 * rbergeron was starting to fret a little bit about her unpolished technical skillz
23:28:07 * rbergeron thinks she should add a bit about taskjuggler ;)
23:31:47 <mchua> Apologies for the delay, there we go.
23:31:50 <mchua> rbergeron: Go for it. :)
23:33:55 <mchua> Mmm... what are you thinking about re taskjuggler?
23:34:06 <mchua> know dependencies?
23:34:09 <mchua> see the timeline big-picture?
23:34:18 <mchua> thinking ahead lets you be more spontaneous in the short run?
23:35:25 <rbergeron> Know dependencies - know what you did at what points that were successful - be able to go back and adjust things that weren't successful - Make sure your plan is available so that others can plan around and/or with you
23:35:34 * rbergeron is brainstorming a bit
23:35:34 <mchua> Ooh.
23:35:44 <mchua> How about postmortems?
23:35:53 <rbergeron> retrospectives ;)
23:36:50 <rbergeron> (Unless it died, and then yes, a postmortem. :D)
23:37:56 * mchua grins
23:37:59 <mchua> retrospectives. yes.
23:42:48 <mchua> rbergeron: I'm trying to fill in some resources for each of the tools... is this helpful stuff? are there parts you feel are especially gaping and blank?
23:43:00 * mchua is a bit quiet in the doc because she's going through etherpad docs and trying to find some that don't suck
23:47:02 <rbergeron> yes, it's helpful
23:47:15 <rbergeron> sorry, was distracted by significant other and his pursuit of getting a new couch
23:48:09 <mchua> It's cool. :)
23:48:18 * mchua will have to put up with *that* this summer when she moves to IN for grad school
23:48:18 <rbergeron> I guess I'm struggling a bit with the "culture" angle - some of these seem like obvious catchphrase-type things, and I'm almost wondering if there's some sort of list somewhere that I'm unaware of filled with those.
23:48:23 <mchua> I've never had to get furniture before...
23:48:32 <mchua> rbergeron: Uh... not that I'm aware of, but there *should* be.
23:48:50 <rbergeron> we went to like 4 places until I insisted we go to ikea, where we found a couch that was *exactly* like another couch we had looked at, that cost 2x as much.
23:49:04 <rbergeron> (which is what I had said was going to happen, but apparently sometimes we have to see it with our own eyeballz.)
23:49:57 * mchua chuckles
23:50:35 <mchua> I'm the cheap one, so my problem is that I typically have to be pried away from the $20 folding table and convinced that $200 for a nice sturdy wood table is worth the upgrade.
23:51:11 <mchua> rbergeron: I've got 10 minutes left before I gotta jet... any sections that would be most helpful to stub out in particular?
23:51:17 <mchua> Are you feeling pretty good about this?
23:51:50 <rbergeron> Yeah, I think it's pretty easy.
23:52:05 <rbergeron> I just wasn't sure aout all the "culture" stuff and the classroom stuff, and how tied into Posse it needed to be.
23:52:59 * mchua nods
23:53:18 <mchua> Okay. I got you doc links for supybot, etherpad, planet.
23:53:20 * rbergeron has never watched the video of etherpad in action
23:53:34 <mchua> I'm a little fuzzy on what you want to do about "setting up classrooms"
23:53:45 <mchua> but I'll link in a few examples of similar things from other projects.
23:53:57 <rbergeron> Yeah, i'm fuzzy there too. I'll think about it tonight.
23:57:29 <rbergeron> But yeah - I think I'm good.
23:57:48 <mchua> Okeydokey.
23:57:49 <rbergeron> Since I use this stuff pretty regularly ;)
23:58:21 <mchua> Yeah, I figured :)
23:59:33 <mchua> Okay, filled in irc resource links.
00:00:09 <mchua> I gotta jet.
00:00:16 * rbergeron throws mchua a jetpack
00:00:25 <mchua> rbergeron: Thanks for taking this on - I'll shoot this out to the TOS list so they know it's being worked-on, and then I'm off for the night.
00:00:29 <mchua> Got some mrc prep to do for the spevack.
00:00:33 <rbergeron> lol
00:00:36 <rbergeron> have fun :)
00:00:41 <mchua> #endmeeting