20:08:01 <sdziallas> #startmeeting
20:08:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Sun Jan 22 20:08:01 2012 UTC.  The chair is sdziallas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:08:05 <designbybeck> this is "POSSE intensive -- a cultural immersion workshop"
20:08:11 <mchua> sdziallas: I was about to ask if you wanted to log. :)
20:09:17 <mchua> Wow, more people. Hello, marilyn and shirley!
20:09:41 <mchua> so sdziallas -- you have marilyn and Shirley, greg_, designbybeck, sloan_, and abe?
20:09:48 * mchua may be missing someone
20:10:00 <sdziallas> mchua: yes, that's all out of them.
20:10:15 <sdziallas> #topic SCALE POSSE workshop
20:10:17 <mchua> nice sized group :) i taught the south africa workshop and iirc we had 5 there; small sizes are nice
20:11:00 <mchua> hullo everyone. who all has used IRC before?
20:11:38 <mchua> (I'm guessing you're talking in the workshop room, so I'll be quiet for a bit and let sdziallas drive, but I'm around piling through 1277 pages of cognitive science research and am pingable)
20:11:48 <sdziallas> mchua: I'm having them create a TOS wiki account now.
20:12:18 <sdziallas> and then we'll do the wiki exercise.
20:13:18 <mchua> sounds good.
20:14:04 <designbybeck> mchua, I think only 2 of use have used IRC before, the rest just downloaded xchat, or are using webchat website
20:14:57 <mchua> that's a fine way to start!
20:15:13 <mchua> I think one of the things about IRC that's hard to grasp at first (especially in such a short time like a workshop)
20:15:17 <mchua> is the value of lurking in the background.
20:15:37 <mchua> a lot of new folks only pop into a channel when they have a question, ask it, wait 2 minutes, and walk out
20:15:41 <mchua> and are disappointed that "nobody was there"
20:16:06 <ErkanYilmaz> Hi from Germany
20:16:07 <mchua> but that's sort of like popping into... say, a university's CS lounge, where you don't know anyone
20:16:16 <ErkanYilmaz> and another tip: don't ask if you can ask q uestion ;-)
20:16:25 <mchua> ErkanYilmaz: Hey, long time no see!
20:16:27 <mchua> ErkanYilmaz: +1
20:16:44 <ErkanYilmaz> hello, I thought I give soem international flair
20:16:54 <mchua> it's like popping into a school lounge where people may be hanging out (or it may be empty if everyone's sleeping, etc) and asking and then walking out
20:17:08 <mchua> the value of a channel is in being sort of like a lounge/meeting-room, where you can overhear the chatter
20:17:13 <mchua> and over time you get to know people
20:17:27 <mchua> for instance, if you do "/whois mchua" (no quotes) you'll see my name and the other channels I'm in
20:17:37 <mchua> and one of them is #eucalyptus, a project I'm really new in
20:17:49 <mchua> and I'm just lurking there and overhearing what's going on and asking questions once in a while, and now it's maybe the 2nd week
20:17:53 <mchua> and I'm starting to get to know who's who
20:18:03 <mchua> but that wouldn't happen if I only popped in for 15 minutes once a week
20:18:20 <mchua> ErkanYilmaz: mmm, international. :) I'll add to that by saying happy chinese new year here to everyone
20:18:27 <mchua> (wear red today, it's a lucky color)
20:19:34 <ErkanYilmaz> new year: the year of the dragon starts
20:20:06 <marilyn> hello. I'm Marilyn, a retired educator interested in writing an interactive art history software for OSS distribution
20:20:24 <designbybeck> sdziallas_posse, is teaching how to do a call out to a user
20:21:09 <sdziallas> ErkanYilmaz: hey, that's awesome! thanks for stopping by
20:21:41 <sloan_> Ok Marilyn. Are you getting this?
20:21:44 <designbybeck> Hello all. I'm Brian Beck
20:21:45 <abe> who's sitting in the front row with me?
20:21:53 <designbybeck> That would be me abe
20:21:56 <marilyn> I'm also a representative for OTEC, Organization for Technology Education Corp. which presents ABLEconf, Arizona Business Libre Experience conference
20:22:01 <marilyn> I'm on.
20:22:16 <abe> designbybeck, hi
20:22:39 <designbybeck> Where are you from abe
20:23:05 <sloan_> I am a interested in starting up a small after school program for low income students in public schools
20:23:05 <marilyn> I took one programming course (BASIC) about 28 years ago, so programming in Python will be like getting back on the bicycle, I hope
20:23:06 <abe> I was born in Seattle, but grew up in Eau Claire Wisconsin
20:23:12 <abe> designbybeck, and you?
20:23:25 <greg_> My wiki I'd is gws999dnrc
20:23:36 <designbybeck> I'm from San Angelo, TX. town in West Texas
20:23:58 <Shirley> I am Shirley.  I am in red today.  I am a systems engineer working in LA.  I may be working on a community to develop a systems development environment.
20:24:00 <designbybeck> This is my first time to SCALE and CA abe
20:24:13 <sloan_> I would like the program to be located in or near low income housing utilizing grant monies from private organizations.
20:24:19 <sdziallas> Shirley: are you working with greg_ ?
20:24:20 <abe> cool, glad you can make it designbybeck
20:24:21 <designbybeck> What is your area of study abe?
20:24:25 <ErkanYilmaz> marilyn are you experienced in programming already ?
20:24:33 <marilyn> this is my 4th year at SCaLE.
20:24:43 <abe> CS, natural language processing in particular designbybeck
20:24:54 <marilyn> my wiki user name is marilyn
20:25:02 <designbybeck> OOHhhh... wishes I could program!
20:25:07 <abe> how about you, designbybeck, for the record?
20:25:13 <greg_> Shirley: start editing my wiki page at gws999dnrc
20:25:37 <abe> designbybeck, 'course I heard in the live introductions...
20:25:41 <greg_> Shirley
20:25:58 <greg_> Whoops
20:26:09 <designbybeck> I passion is anything visual music or arts, Graphic Design, Live Music, Video Editing, 3D modeling/Animation
20:26:25 <designbybeck> Photography
20:26:33 <abe> awesom
20:26:35 <abe> e
20:26:42 <marilyn> how do I get on the wiki? I created an account. now what?
20:26:44 <mchua> marilyn, designbybeck -- those sound like fantastic projects, do you have more detailed notes up somewhere?
20:26:55 <designbybeck> Day job is I do Faculty Development for Angelo State University abe
20:26:55 <mchua> (or is that what you'll be doing with your wiki user pages? ;-)
20:27:00 <marilyn> for which project?
20:27:10 <sloan_> Marilyn, I need your user name on Teaching Open Source
20:27:19 <mchua> marilyn: the art history software, since ableconf already has a website iirc :)
20:27:19 <designbybeck> a coworker and I started http://texos.org
20:27:26 <marilyn> my user name is marilyn
20:27:38 <abe> cool... designbybeck is where you live in TX closer to san antonio or 40/rt66?
20:27:55 <designbybeck> I'm 3 hours from San Antonio
20:28:10 <Shirley> I my wiki is STseng1
20:28:17 <sloan_> Mine is Sloan with capitol  S
20:28:30 <designbybeck> abe are you currently living in Wisonsin
20:28:40 <abe> designbybeck, I might have to leave because I made plans for lunch with a friend..
20:28:54 <abe> no, designbybeck, I've been here in LA for ~10yrs
20:29:00 <designbybeck> Ah yes, No prob abe! I was going to go to a 1:30 session
20:29:17 <marilyn> i have ideas and some preliminary notes. more talk than action on the art history program. I've collected some books on how to program in Python, stuff like that. According to my husband, I'm just cutting bait, not fishing yeat
20:30:11 <designbybeck> abe, what is your wiki name?
20:30:38 <designbybeck> abe mine is http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Designbybeck
20:31:01 <ErkanYilmaz> marilyn, I'd also do a search before if not someone has written such a program, if it is open source: you could help that project
20:31:14 <marilyn> I have some time on my hands these days, though, so I think I'll be starting my outline and comments pretty soon, though
20:31:14 <marilyn> I'm sitting with my parents - Daddy has dementia and Mom needs help - so while I'm talking to them and making sure they eat well, I can program. Bit of a distrction, but that's okay
20:31:15 <marilyn> that's a good idea.
20:31:52 <mchua> marilyn: actually that's a good thought -- what sort of program are you thinking? like a gallery/slideshow thing, or choose your own adventure, or etc?
20:32:16 <sloan_> Hey Marilyn
20:32:22 <mchua> like ErkanYilmaz said there might be a program like it (maybe not devoted to art history, but adaptable to switch in different content.)
20:32:42 <sloan_> These are your instructions for editing my wiki.
20:33:18 <sloan_> Go to the web address bar and back space only until you have removed your name.
20:33:38 <sloan_> At that point in the address bar, replace your name with mine.
20:33:56 <sloan_> This should bring you to my wiki.
20:34:07 <sloan_> Confirm when you are there please.
20:34:41 <marilyn> i want a series of focused areas: cave art, ancient mesopotamia, egyptian, greek, etc. I want the students to be able to have a survey level or an advanced level of study. survey will be just that, and advanced with more focused attention on, say, specific artists or art styles. I require something that the students would have to end up with, to show the teacher that they had, indeed gone through the process and interacted/produced someting
20:35:01 <mchua> designbybeck: is there a freegeek chapter or something similar near you (for texos, if hardware is something you need donated?
20:35:04 <mchua> )
20:35:24 <mchua> marilyn: what sort of learning objectives do you have there?
20:35:42 <mchua> marilyn: (I'm studying education in grad school, so curriculum design is fun :)
20:36:13 <greg_> Shirley:  formerly taught at university of Nebraska.  Now at cal state long beach
20:36:28 <marilyn> I have an M.Ed in Education, emphasis on Curriculum and Instruction. I taught art at high school.
20:36:48 <sloan_> Please confirm you are on my wiki.
20:37:01 <marilyn> sloan. I see your wiki. now what?
20:38:04 <sloan_> Click on blue highlighted "edit" link and begin cutting and pasting relevent info from this chat to my wiki
20:38:27 <marilyn> i want the learning objectives to satisfy national standards for education in art history (I'd have to look them up to be more specific, today)
20:38:35 <Shirley> I work in the Aerospace business - satellite systems development.  I use to work at Hughes Aircraft Space company (now part of Boeing Satellite Systems).
20:38:58 <Shirley> I am a Systems Engineer working on defining requirements for large space systems
20:39:03 <marilyn> For Intro to art students, they're very general, for advanced students, they become more specific.
20:39:47 <Shirley> I have a colleague at Aerospace Corp coontributing to a DARPA program called META - creating development environment to reduce developmnet time by factor of 5.
20:40:27 <mchua> Shirley: whoa, one of my classmates would probably love talking with you -- he's into space architecture.
20:40:33 <Shirley> One of the ways to do that is to have toolchain that work together in a shared environment.   The current development env is composed of expensive and different products that don't talk to each other.
20:41:01 <mchua> marilyn: what kind of program/game do you envision?
20:42:58 <Shirley> my email is shirleytseng@earthlink.net if he would like to get in touch with me.   Space has not been accessible to public, but the trend is to commercial access.
20:44:03 <greg_> Shirley:  I have also worked in industry doing software development, combustion research, hydrogen production and advanced materials.
20:44:53 <greg_> My email is Gregory.w.smith@earthlink.net
20:45:08 <marilyn> I want to be able to use a lot of images/icons to choose from, that link to information with questions that have, probably, choice responses from the students.
20:45:17 <Shirley> I follow a lot of software development initiatives.  I am also a software engineer due to the systems that I work on are all software driven.
20:45:20 <marilyn> okay, my email address has been confirmed
20:46:01 <marilyn> my email address is teacher_owl@hotmail.com
20:46:45 <Shirley> If we are ending.  Happy Chinese New Year tonight.  It is Chinese New Year eve tonight!  You can celebrate New Years twice.
20:46:55 <greg_> Shirley: take a look and see how your wiki
20:47:17 <marilyn> okay, sloan, i'm on. I dn
20:47:34 <marilyn> i don't see a blue edit button. help. i haven't done this before
20:48:21 <mchua> Shirley: thanks, I'll pass it on! His name is Hadi Ali and he's been looking at how design teams for space vehicles/stations collaborate
20:48:27 <mchua> Shirley: (...or don't, in some cases)
20:50:22 <sloan_> Hello.  I am a interested and in starting after school Linux classes for low income students.
20:56:03 <sdziallas> We'll have a break while people win stuff at the HP booth.
20:56:21 <sdziallas> I'll end the meeting and then we'll try to see whether there's more useful stuff to do.
20:56:26 <sdziallas> #endmeeting