19:59:58 #startmeeting 19:59:58 Meeting started Mon Feb 6 19:59:58 2012 UTC. The chair is kwurst_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:59:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:01 4. Debian 20:00:07 ...in roughly that order, I guess. 20:00:18 gregdek: thank you sir. 20:13:15 kwurst_: any other questions? 20:13:41 gregdek: We're arguing in real-space about projects... 20:13:41 * gregdek notes that meetbot is happily running :) 20:13:47 YAY ARGUING! 20:14:33 kwurst_ just needs to be the benevolent dictator and pick 20:14:53 We currently have 6 projects that all have pros and cons. I think we could drop off VLC easily and be down to 5, then play the 5-3-1 game. 20:15:00 davexunit: which project do you think would be best? 20:15:16 thodde: No idea. at all. at all. 20:15:24 sudo vote 20:15:32 we could knock out firefox too probably 20:15:34 you don't need root permissions for that 20:16:30 thodde: I agree. 20:16:46 s u always likes being involved. 20:18:44 I think the top two are Irrlicht and Eucalyptus, is it really that far fetched to make 2 groups? This is a large class and I am not sure how many contributers Irrlicht wants to add to their list. 20:18:44 everybody who votes for Eucalyptus gets a free Patriots Super Bowl Champions shirt. 20:18:54 I like Eucalyptus, Libre Office and Sage 20:19:27 I'm not sure about Sage, some people haven't taken as much math as needed for the higher level work 20:19:35 Sage, Irrlicht, or Eucalyptus I'd say 20:19:43 nah we would be going coding though. no math needed 20:19:54 *doing 20:20:01 can't even spell 20:20:11 Irrlicht would be so awesome, who doesn't want to work with game development tools? 20:20:18 you've taken calc 3 with me. I know you know math haha 20:20:36 Yeah but, aside from you Matt, and myself who has? 20:20:48 up through calc 1 is required for CS majors 20:20:54 I know Irrlicht won't be picked. 20:20:55 We'll group working on 3D modeling, and all the multi-variable fun 20:20:56 I agree, Irrlicht sounds interesting, but how many people are they kosher with adding to their contributers list? 20:21:00 Hey, if you end up doing irrlicht, do me a favor and use openkinect with it. :) 20:21:18 * gregdek dreams of an open source virtual sport using the kinect. 20:21:20 hahaha, that's awesome. 20:21:44 Heh, if we did Irrlicht we would be writing a benchmark suite to help them improve performance 20:21:44 Irrlicht to this class like Ron Paul is to the republican party 20:21:47 is to* 20:21:49 * gregdek may end up hacking bzflag to use the kinect... 20:21:57 hahaha 20:22:12 RUNRUNRUNRUNRUN SHOOT! 20:22:20 good times. 20:22:37 I would just like t say, you REALLY don't want to work on libre office 20:22:54 I don't want to get into the argument over it but trust me, libreoffice would be painful 20:22:55 mass effect 3 will be using minor biometrics...were heading in that direction 20:23:05 that actually helps 20:23:13 blabbe: but it is actually useful in the real world. but i will probably agree with you that it would kind of horrible. 20:23:15 i haven't really looked into it much yet 20:23:19 I REALLY don't want to work on firefox, or libreoffice, to be honest. 20:23:20 ballot stuffing! 20:23:32 It's only useful for people who have some terrible aversion to proprietary software :P 20:23:54 I hate firefox as well, but it would be a sensible project to get started with 20:23:56 * davexunit hates proprietary software 20:24:03 Si 20:24:10 I don't want to work on firefox really either 20:24:21 I DEMAND A RECOUNT! (sorry for caps ahead of time) 20:24:53 blabbe: Only in regards to a "starting off" project, much more than that it's not interesting in the least, in my opinion. 20:25:10 It all comes down to this 20:25:21 the final moments of indecision 20:25:24 2012 20:25:33 the last ballot is in 20:26:05 no one wrote in Sarah Palin right? 20:26:13 (maybe) 20:26:31 ...what is this "colbertsoft" thing? 20:26:53 Firefox and Sage have been cast aside 20:26:55 we ranked the projects we wanted to work on and voted 20:27:15 VLC is gone too 20:27:22 Has CNN projected a winner? 20:27:33 so I guess Euca it is...I call for ballot stuffing. 20:27:35 Inconclusive 20:27:47 Change you can believe in! 20:27:48 voters were paid 20:27:51 Photo finish 20:27:53 We can do it! 20:28:27 leace 20:30:08 gregdek: So, we voted, and Eucalyptus came out first. 20:30:23 hazzah! 20:30:39 HURRAH! 20:30:41 ballots were destroyed, no need to recount. 20:30:46 Best of luck with that! ;) 20:31:12 Irrlicht was 2nd we might get to workon two projects 20:31:24 Throw items at kwurst_ until he less s work on two projects :D 20:31:42 Irrlicht really is Ron Paul 20:31:49 That's kwurst's cross to bear, lol 20:31:50 .. 20:31:56 No Irrlicht isn't racist D:< 20:31:58 gregdek: Do you have suggestions for what the class should be looking at for the next week to prep. 20:32:00 alright 20:32:04 let's settle down here 20:32:06 Yes, I do. 20:32:09 First: 20:32:20 Play with Amazon EC2. It's free. Lots of documentation. 20:32:33 It's free for one year. If you sign up for it the clock starts ticking 20:32:40 Specifically, learn about ec2ools, because euca2ools is very similar. 20:32:57 luckily the semester is only a few months which is < a year 20:33:05 woah woah math man 20:33:10 Right but you use up your persona free year on this class 20:33:11 class* 20:33:17 personal* 20:33:22 stop talking and let gregdek finish 20:33:26 * clacroix recognizes thodde's valid point 20:33:27 :) 20:33:30 gregdek: Is there an option to use ECC? Since some students are concerned about using up their free year of EC2. 20:33:31 gregdek: What's the price on Amazon EC2 after the one year, just in case some students were looking to reserve their free year for future use? 20:33:31 Lots of reading to be done about both, but mostly it's about learning how to manage instances with commandline tools. 20:33:49 kwurst_: we can also set up students to use ECC, yes. 20:33:59 http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ <== EC2 pricing 20:34:10 I can also look at what it would cost for WSU to pay for EC2. 20:34:16 And ECC is free -- but the thing about ECC is that we blast the instances every 6 hours, heh. 20:35:01 As in clear all data? 20:35:09 Yep. Instance go bye-bye. 20:35:17 Now that's enough for learning the tools. 20:36:49 I'm looking at EC2 pricing, if we need to go with that. 20:37:19 gregdek: Ok, Second? 20:37:32 Networking. 20:37:39 The networking model around cloud is weeeeird. 20:38:08 gregdek: So, reading up on that? 20:38:09 So there's a document that Eucalytpus has about its networking stack: 20:38:19 http://open.eucalyptus.com/wiki/EucalyptusNetworkConfiguration_v2.0 20:38:33 This is for the 2.0 stuff, but shoudl still be valid for 3.0. 20:39:09 #action Play with Amazon EC2 or ECC. It's free. Lots of documentation. 20:39:20 #action Get ECC accounts. 20:39:39 #action Read http://open.eucalyptus.com/wiki/EucalyptusNetworkConfiguration_v2.0 20:39:59 When it's time to get into the nitty gritty of install, we've got some install notes -- but the 3-devel code is brand new, and changing. :) 20:40:02 EXCITING! 20:40:07 #action Decide who is on infrastructure team 20:40:25 #action Contact IT about configuring network port for off-campus access 20:40:36 1 person per grou? 20:40:40 group* 20:45:34 gregdek: Is that all for this week for them? 20:45:51 I think for now, yes. We need to come back and figure out more stuff. :) 20:45:54 gregdek: Where do we want to discuss this stuff in the future? 20:46:15 gregdek: I set up a listserv for the class. Do you want to be on it? 20:46:19 Come on over to #eucalytpus if you like -- we can come here ifyou're more comfortable, but more people will be able to respond over there. 20:46:33 kwurst_: that would be great. 20:46:44 gregdek: Moving to #eucalyptus would be best, I think 20:46:46 We may end up dragging some of you onto our listserv as well if that makes sense. 20:47:04 gregdek: I already suggested that they sign up to the EuCa listerv 20:47:45 gregdek: When I subscribe you to our listerv should I use the email we've be communicating on? 20:48:02 gregdek: I'll ask Mel if she wants to be subscribed too. 20:48:14 kwurst_: yes pls. 20:48:43 #action Subscribe to eucalyptus listserv 20:49:08 #action start haunting #eucalyptus channel 20:49:20 kwurst which list there are 4 20:50:25 Ah. community@eucalyptus.com. 20:50:29 I mean... 20:50:40 community@ the lists.eucalyptus.com site. 20:50:56 danspc: ^^^ 20:51:45 gotcha thx 20:54:12 #action Open the following ports in firewall: 22, 23, 80 20:54:45 why do you need telnet 20:54:50 * dimJ confused. 20:55:06 23 is also FTP 20:55:22 ah 20:55:50 no wait i mixed them up 20:56:21 #action Firewall addendum: Change port 23 to 21 21:01:04 Welp, that about does it for our class. 21:03:57 #endmeeting