15:08:53 <mchua> #startmeeting
15:08:54 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 22 15:08:53 2010 UTC.  The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:09:13 * mchua listens in :)
15:09:39 * sdziallas is here, too.
15:12:05 <mchua> DarrenMiller: I'm curious how each of the teams is doing, could we get a quick "go around the room, 30 second progress report" thing from each team?
15:13:28 <DarrenMiller> mchua: sure. will get back you you after i make the rounds
15:15:15 <mchua> thanks!
15:15:55 <arbabs> hello mchau this is matt and sahar working on the press kit/screen shots!
15:16:46 <mchua> arbabs: Howdy! Thanks for pinging. How's it going?
15:16:57 <mchua> arbabs: Can we move to #fedora-mktg? More press kit people hang out there.
15:17:29 <arbabs> pretty good. we were wondering if we could help with any other small tasks. matt uploaded the screenshots
15:18:29 <mchua> arbabs: great - can you send links to the marketing list as to where we can find them?
15:18:36 <mchua> arbabs: actually, one place the screenshots will be used is the one page release notes
15:26:43 <tcorc> mchua: i'm trying to subscribe to the fedora marketing teams mailing list and I'm having some trouble.
15:28:21 <tcorc> mchua: am I supposed to get some sort of confirmation email?
15:31:03 <mchua> tcorc: Yes - actually, for mailing lists, it's probably fastest if you track down Matt or Darren.
15:31:12 <mchua> It's one of those things that's far faster to help with in person.
15:32:51 <tcorc> mchua: okay. matt tried to sign me up for it last week sometime and I never got the confirmation email so i tried it again just now. I feel like I'm over looking some crucial step.
15:33:35 <tcorc> mchua: oh.. never mind. It just worked!
15:33:39 <mchua> tcorc: awesome!
15:45:06 <DarrenMiller> mchua: checked in with everyone. the teams that need the most help are Sugar on a Stick and Video Marketing. I told the video team to make a wiki, following the lead of the twitter team. SOAS team is looking for more guidance about what kind of language and other contributions you need. they're shrivea, millera4 (or miller4a -- can't recall), johnsog, muccic, and morinoa
15:45:31 <DarrenMiller> all other teams are jammin out
15:48:37 <mchua> DarrenMiller: awesome - I was a bit worried about the design tickets team from last week, how're they doing?
15:48:47 <mchua> DarrenMiller: if they learn inkscape today they can do the layout of the one page release notes
15:49:49 <DarrenMiller> mchua: they're playing with inkscape but feeling like mastery is not going to come in one day
15:50:45 <DarrenMiller> mchua: i suggested they propose how to ammend/change icons and logos, putting forward proposals as sketches rather than finished pieces
15:50:59 <mchua> DarrenMiller: Nifty!
15:51:05 <DarrenMiller> Mchua: hopefully this will help them to feel more confident
15:51:07 <mchua> DarrenMiller: hm, if they're playing with inkscape... lemme pull up a file for them to look at
15:51:12 <mchua> DarrenMiller: I sent them some tutorial links last week
15:51:33 <DarrenMiller> mchua: ok. they've been alerted
15:51:50 <mchua> DarrenMiller: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release%20notes/f12/
15:52:02 <mchua> DarrenMiller: the three .svg files in there are the source for the layout of last release's one-page release notes
15:52:10 <mchua> DarrenMiller: they can open that in inkscape and play around
15:52:28 <mchua> DarrenMiller: we will need a similar sort of layout for the content being revised for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_one_page_release_notes
15:52:41 <mchua> DarrenMiller: which is furiously being edited in http://piratepad.net/one-page-release-notes right now
15:52:54 <mchua> DarrenMiller: and also there is a team of people (the ones who made installation screenshots) going to hunt for images for it
15:53:23 <mchua> DarrenMiller: the big missing one is the big banner like the one at the top of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes
15:53:28 <DarrenMiller> mchua: cool. screenshot folks seem to have a handle on things and they're sitting right behind the icon folks
15:53:34 <mchua> DarrenMiller: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F12-releasenotes-banner.png
15:53:38 <mchua> DarrenMiller: that is a graphic that will need to be made
15:54:21 <mchua> DarrenMiller: it's mostly the underlying image (the hands) that needs to be found/changed - the slogan for F12 was "unite" and the one for F13 is "rock it"
15:54:34 <mchua> (the release codename is Goddard, so "rock it" --> rocket)
15:54:50 <mchua> DarrenMiller: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_slogan for trivia
15:55:13 <kowenh> mchua: hey mel, quick question. should I put the edits i have so far on the feature profile wiki? (for the btrfs feature profile)
15:57:53 <mchua> kowenh: yes! edit away.
15:58:05 <mchua> kowenh: one of the things we often say in open source is "be bold!"
15:58:25 <mchua> kowenh: it's easy enough to edit something back, anyway :) but it's your feature profile and your wiki page, so you are *totally* in charge.
15:58:39 <kowenh> mchua: ok. i did edits in open office so i just have to get it on the wiki
15:58:55 <kowenh> mchua: ok. i don't know if it's too long...
15:59:04 <mchua> kowenh: No such thing as too long. :)
15:59:26 <mchua> kowenh: if the content is remixable, the people who republish it elsewhere can always edit themselves for length, later on.
15:59:36 <kowenh> mchua: ok. good. then i'll work on putting that up
16:01:50 <hansene> mchua: do you think that email we sent out would be a good idea to put on a wiki page on fedora
16:04:05 <mchua> hansene: Which email was that? (Sorry, juggling a lot of different Fedora-related projects, not all of them Allegheny-related... sometimes need to be reminded which project is which)
16:04:53 <hansene> um the email about you tube/ video and fedora
16:08:08 <hansene> mchua: the email about you tube/ video and fedora
16:08:27 <mchua> hansene: Yep, DarrenMiller mentioned that he'd encouraged you do create a wiki page on that.
16:08:31 <mchua> hansene: and I think that's exactly right.
16:11:13 <DEiben> mel: can you put the new draft on the wiki pgae
16:11:15 <DEiben> page?
16:11:25 <DEiben> we can't do it for some reason
16:11:34 <hansene> mchua: so if we just took that email and added a few things that would be good?
16:11:35 <DEiben> and email us the link plz
16:11:54 <DEiben> tyler will email the marketing list
16:12:17 <mchua> DarrenMiller: Can do.
16:12:21 <mchua> hansene: Yep. And mail that to the list.
16:12:33 <mchua> hansene: sometimes, you need to keep on talking for a while to get folks to start perking up and listening.
16:12:39 <mchua> hansene: if you don't seem to be getting a response, try something else.
16:12:49 <mchua> hansene: try emailing people individually, who've shown interest before. try asking individuals on IRC.
16:13:00 <mchua> hansene: and bring those conversations out into the public mailing list whenever possible to build momentum.
16:13:16 <hansene> mchua: o ok that makes sense because then they would feel the individual attention from the video
16:13:18 <mchua> Momentum-building is one of the most important skills in activism and community-building, imo.
16:13:22 <mchua> hansene: exactly.
16:13:27 <mchua> It's also one of the hardest things to articulate and etach.
16:13:30 <mchua> er, teach.
16:13:35 <mchua> I learned by watching people who were very, very good at it.
16:13:58 <mchua> (Most of them are around Fedora, actually - Paul Frields (stickster), Max Spevack (spevack), Greg DeKoenigsberg (gregdek), Karsten Wade (quaid).
16:14:01 <mchua> )
16:14:15 <hansene> mchua: so basically start with individuals to get the ball rolling and continue the snowball effect in a bigger public forum
16:15:27 <mchua> hansene: exactly.
16:16:15 <DarrenMiller> mchua: thanks again for all your help. we're all signing off for lunch
16:16:23 <DarrenMiller> mchua: see you next week, if not sooner
16:18:55 <mchua> #endmeeting