2024-06-13 19:00:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting Alterative Images (2024-06-13)
2024-06-13 19:00:20 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-06-13 19:00:18 UTC
2024-06-13 19:00:20 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2024-06-13)'
2024-06-13 19:00:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname AltImages
2024-06-13 19:00:27 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now AltImages
2024-06-13 19:00:31 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2024-06-13 19:00:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2024-06-13 19:00:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2024-06-13 19:00:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Robby Callicotte 
2024-06-13 19:01:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think most everyone else is a Devcon, so I'm not sure how many will show up.
2024-06-13 19:01:30 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> oh yeah 
2024-06-13 19:02:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-06-13 19:02:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-06-13 19:02:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But, that's ok.
2024-06-13 19:02:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm a little half-dead but here
2024-06-13 19:02:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo and Davide Cavalca 
2024-06-13 19:02:44 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2024-06-13 19:02:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-06-13 19:02:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon 
2024-06-13 19:03:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well, this is more than I expected.  So let's get going before it get's too late for some.
2024-06-13 19:03:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Latest News
2024-06-13 19:04:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I've gotten my "text only" MIN live working
2024-06-13 19:04:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It automatically logs in as liveuser, in text mode.
2024-06-13 19:04:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think it's rather handy.
2024-06-13 19:04:50 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> that is cool
2024-06-13 19:05:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Right now it's 1.1 Gig, due to the installer.
2024-06-13 19:05:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Although it only does text installs, and that works, it's pulling in all the anaconda gui stuff.
2024-06-13 19:06:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> If I install just anaconda-tui, it fails on one thing after another.
2024-06-13 19:06:39 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> cross-deps with anaconda-tui?
2024-06-13 19:06:47 <@davide:cavalca.name> is this expected to work? we may wanna reach out to anaconda and see if there's a way to workaround the issue
2024-06-13 19:07:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, I'm just working my way through the errors, to see if I can get an install working without hitting the whole anaconda gui stack.
2024-06-13 19:07:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thus far it's mostly drivers.
2024-06-13 19:07:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Like iscsi and a few other odd things.
2024-06-13 19:08:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But, in the end, even taking anaconda off, it's only saving 200 Meg.  So, not alot of savings for the effort.
2024-06-13 19:08:54 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> darn
2024-06-13 19:09:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But, it boots up fast and uses the bare minimum of memory.
2024-06-13 19:10:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anyway, that's what I've been up to this past month.
2024-06-13 19:10:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Has anyone else got any reports/news from the last month or two?
2024-06-13 19:10:40 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> We started the ball rolling on openqa, but I did not open a ticket for tracking :/  I believe Davide might have some more info on status.
2024-06-13 19:10:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you are generally not expected to use anaconda-tui for more than simple installs
2024-06-13 19:11:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's _really_ cut down
2024-06-13 19:11:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I wasn't expecting to, but it wouldn't start up without those random drivers.  So, maybe I just need to through some options at it.
2024-06-13 19:12:07 <@davide:cavalca.name> I was hoping to bump into bookwar at devconf to discuss this f2f but have not seen her around yet. The cloud openqa work is progressing nicely, and I suspect the main issue with deploying this for CentOS will be figuring out where to actually host it (meaning, in which AWS account)
2024-06-13 19:12:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That is great.
2024-06-13 19:12:51 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> awesome! I was just telling the rocky testing team about this work and they were excited by it, too. do you have any links or such you can share?
2024-06-13 19:13:12 <@davide:cavalca.name> you can expect a blog post to come out in the coming week or so
2024-06-13 19:13:26 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Fantastic. looking forward to reading & boosting.
2024-06-13 19:13:44 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> **big** thanks to you and the folks who have been working on it
2024-06-13 19:14:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm pretty sure davdunc can get that squared away
2024-06-13 19:15:28 <@davide:cavalca.name> yeah Stewart is looped in as well and seemed confident we'd be able to figure something out
2024-06-13 19:16:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Any other news from the past month or two?
2024-06-13 19:16:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Whats Next
2024-06-13 19:17:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> My next project I'm going to start work on is getting Persistant Media working.
2024-06-13 19:17:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm giving myself till the end of the week to work on MIN, and then I'll be switching over to Persistant Media.
2024-06-13 19:19:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hmm ... my browser is acting up ... trying to get a link.
2024-06-13 19:20:07 <@davide:cavalca.name> SIGs can now build content for CentOS Stream 10
2024-06-13 19:20:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll be starting by looking through this, and see what I can do with it. - https://github.com/weldr/lorax/pull/1360
2024-06-13 19:20:27 <@davide:cavalca.name> I've already started building packages for Hyperscale
2024-06-13 19:20:41 <@davide:cavalca.name> probably a bit early for AltImages but we may want to request tags to at least get the infra going
2024-06-13 19:21:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, that's a good point.  I forgot about the tags.
2024-06-13 19:21:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yes, I'll put that on my list of things to do.
2024-06-13 19:21:23 <@davide:cavalca.name> (sorry, Element is lagging, didn't mean to cut you off)
2024-06-13 19:21:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's lagging for me too.  So no worry.
2024-06-13 19:21:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> And, that was about all I had to say.
2024-06-13 19:22:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I guess at the very least, I can try making a CentOS Stream 10 live MIN image.
2024-06-13 19:22:52 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> cool
2024-06-13 19:23:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> kiwi is on the list for the first package Hyperscale needs in EPEL 10, so we're going to try to get that going
2024-06-13 19:24:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hmm ... the livesys scripts, and other are in EPEL too ... hmm ... well ... at least I get the tags requested.
2024-06-13 19:25:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> livesys-scripts is easy as a near-zero dep package
2024-06-13 19:25:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> anaconda-liveinst as well
2024-06-13 19:25:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Davide Cavalca and I will ensure they're in EPEL 10
2024-06-13 19:26:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I hear the anaconda team is close to getting things switched over to wayland ... that will make things interesting.
2024-06-13 19:26:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2024-06-13 19:27:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there anything else coming up?
2024-06-13 19:28:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, altimages came up a bunch today at devconf.cz in the workshop davdunc and I did today
2024-06-13 19:28:19 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> :)
2024-06-13 19:28:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> people are very interested in your work :)
2024-06-13 19:28:59 <@davide:cavalca.name> I have a tentative plan to get some images out for Apple Silicon systems in the c10s timeframe, leveraging the work we did in Fedora Asahi Remix
2024-06-13 19:29:30 <@davide:cavalca.name> this will likely happen under Hyperscale, but we'll need to build... bespoke images and some other fun stuff, so there will be overlap here
2024-06-13 19:29:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Wow ... that sorta blows my mind ... that would be cool.
2024-06-13 19:29:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't have any apple hardware (and don't want any) but I still think it's cool.
2024-06-13 19:30:05 <@davide:cavalca.name> this is mostly because I need something to run on a spare mac studio I have that I want to use as a server at home :)
2024-06-13 19:30:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we originally were going to do in c9s, but the amount of package forking and borked stuff was too high for me to proceed there
2024-06-13 19:30:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I explored and decide nope :)
2024-06-13 19:30:45 <@davide:cavalca.name> yeah... the delta on c10s should be a lot smaller
2024-06-13 19:31:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we'll wind up having a fair bit more stuff in hyperscale asahi copr for this, but yeah it should be doable
2024-06-13 19:32:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya.  As much as I like the SIG infrastructure, sometimes COPR is the more logical choise.
2024-06-13 19:33:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm going to switch to Open Floor
2024-06-13 19:33:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-06-13 19:34:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> My Alternative Images SIG talk "Lets talk about it" was accepted for Flock/Connect.
2024-06-13 19:34:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We'll see what it conflicts with this time. :)
2024-06-13 19:34:48 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> awesome.  I guess everyone here will be at Flock?
2024-06-13 19:35:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm already booked, so yep for me.
2024-06-13 19:35:32 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I booked hotel and time away from work.  just need to book a flight
2024-06-13 19:36:23 <@davide:cavalca.name> yup, I'll be there
2024-06-13 19:36:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I heard the main hotel was already booked ... so having it booked already is good.
2024-06-13 19:36:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'll be there
2024-06-13 19:37:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> everything is all booked
2024-06-13 19:38:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe Shaun is going to have CentOS USB sticks.  I'll be getting him a MAX image for it.
2024-06-13 19:38:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll hopefully have the persistant stuff done before then, so they are more useful.
2024-06-13 19:40:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I need to get weston updated in EPEL
2024-06-13 19:40:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so that it works again
2024-06-13 19:41:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep.  It would be good to have it as one of our desktops.
2024-06-13 19:42:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we have anything else before we close?
2024-06-13 19:43:30 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming, especially while you are at a conference.
2024-06-13 19:43:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to ya'll next month.  and probrubly sooner.
2024-06-13 19:44:12 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Bye everyone!
2024-06-13 19:44:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting