2024-12-12 19:00:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting Alterative Images (2024-12-12)

2024-12-12 19:00:50 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-12-12 19:00:49 UTC
2024-12-12 19:00:50 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2024-12-12)'
2024-12-12 19:00:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname AltImages
2024-12-12 19:00:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2024-12-12 19:00:58 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now AltImages
2024-12-12 19:01:39 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2024-12-12 19:01:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2024-12-12 19:02:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Robby Callicotte 
2024-12-12 19:03:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-12-12 19:03:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-12-12 19:03:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo 
2024-12-12 19:03:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I guess we can start, and see if the others make it.
2024-12-12 19:04:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issues?tags=Feature+Request&status=Open
2024-12-12 19:04:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Requested Features
2024-12-12 19:04:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte: Were you working on the persistant media?
2024-12-12 19:05:23 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I've been trying to get going on that but I've been fighting issues at dayjob blocking my access
2024-12-12 19:05:49 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I see that the dracut PR was merged upstream tho
2024-12-12 19:05:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya, I saw that on the channel.  That's a bit of a pain.
2024-12-12 19:06:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh yes ... they also fixed some other issues, I need to test that.
2024-12-12 19:07:30 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I'm afraid other than reporting that I have no real updates on this issue :(
2024-12-12 19:07:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, in theory, since the darcut PR was merged, it should be more possible for us to get persistant media working.
2024-12-12 19:07:46 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Yes, that is my understanding 
2024-12-12 19:07:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Cool
2024-12-12 19:08:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I didn't get any work on the raw image, other than getting hardware setup.
2024-12-12 19:09:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Using sd-cards is just soooo slow, so I've got an external hard drive, and things look like I can boot off it.
2024-12-12 19:09:30 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Nice 
2024-12-12 19:10:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I just need to build the images, so I can put them on it.
2024-12-12 19:10:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I feel like it's a bit of a waste, doing the tests on a 1T drive ... but it was litterally sitting in a drawer for close to a year, so I'm using it. :)
2024-12-12 19:10:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I would really like to get auto persist working
2024-12-12 19:11:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Which version of dracut has the PR in it?
2024-12-12 19:11:34 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> From kiwi perspective, what config needs to be added to the descriptions?
2024-12-12 19:13:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> mostly adjusting the grub config template
2024-12-12 19:14:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I had it at one point ... but it didn't work, so I'm not sure if my config was wrong, or dracut was too old.
2024-12-12 19:14:34 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Is there an example of that anywhere? 
2024-12-12 19:15:09 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Oh cool.
2024-12-12 19:15:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Looking ... I started with a Fedora pull request ... let me find the link.
2024-12-12 19:15:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it is unreleased: https://github.com/dracut-ng/dracut-ng/commit/6ac1033c8d59e2324f56a2c453f14a0318cc7190
2024-12-12 19:16:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> This is what I started with - https://github.com/weldr/lorax/pull/1360
2024-12-12 19:17:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, that's the example of how to adjust the grub configs
2024-12-12 19:17:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I should make a version of that PR for kiwi I suppose
2024-12-12 19:17:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Since it needed tweeking, I kept changing alot.
2024-12-12 19:18:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I never got it working, so I never pushed the branch ... I guess I shoulda ... 
2024-12-12 19:18:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's alright, I will make a branch
2024-12-12 19:19:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> ok
2024-12-12 19:20:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Changing subject to CS10 images ... I'm almost done with the KDE images, I should have those in the c10s branch be end of day today.
2024-12-12 19:21:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll also have the fix for MAX, so that just two gnome items show up (normal and classic)
2024-12-12 19:21:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Right now, I'm having Chromium install on all the CS10 desktops, and KDE will also have Falkon.
2024-12-12 19:22:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, and talking of KDE, kdeconnect finally works on CS10.   I'm so excited.  That's been my longest bug.
2024-12-12 19:22:44 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Cool
2024-12-12 19:23:30 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Once I get those pushed to the cs10 branch, I'm going to start testing installing firefox with flatpak.
2024-12-12 19:24:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Although I'm quite certain it will fail using the CentOS CBS koji .... I still want to try so I can say I tried and failed.
2024-12-12 19:24:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But who knows ... maybe it will work ... maybe ... cuz it's in Fedoras infrastructure ... 
2024-12-12 19:25:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Of course, there is still the problem with the installer. ☹️
2024-12-12 19:26:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> CBS is not in fedora infra
2024-12-12 19:26:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's in a separate network
2024-12-12 19:26:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh ... ya ... that's right ... well then ... it really isn't going to work.
2024-12-12 19:26:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you could probably use Falkon everywhere
2024-12-12 19:27:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> most of the lightweight spins seem to use it in Fedora
2024-12-12 19:27:15 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> CBS is running on CentOS stream?
2024-12-12 19:27:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh ... cool.
2024-12-12 19:27:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> CBS is running on CentOS's infrastructure.
2024-12-12 19:28:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> CBS runs on RHEL now
2024-12-12 19:29:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> they used to use CentOS, and now they don't
2024-12-12 19:29:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> as far as I know
2024-12-12 19:29:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I know what CentOS Stream koji is running on, RHEL8, but I don't know about CBS.
2024-12-12 19:29:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> IIRC they are RHEL 9 boxes
2024-12-12 19:30:12 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Ok. 
2024-12-12 19:30:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Talking about intallers ... Conan Kudo has there been any progress on getting that pull request merged in anaconda?   I don't know if it stalled, or I just missed something.
2024-12-12 19:30:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it seems to be stuck
2024-12-12 19:30:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I asked in #anaconda:fedoraproject.org, and it looks like nobody will look at it until January :(
2024-12-12 19:31:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm ok with January ... if they really do look at it then.
2024-12-12 19:32:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm still working on getting initial-setup into epel10 ... almost there, a bit more discussion I think.
2024-12-12 19:32:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But, since we don't have the installer, it's not doing much good, other than raw images.
2024-12-12 19:33:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hmm ... I guess we could have x86_64 raw images.
2024-12-12 19:34:40 <@soupcreator:matrix.org>  X86-64 raw images would be funny.
2024-12-12 19:35:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> True, but  ... ya ... I'm not seeing anyone actually use them, other than virtual machines.
2024-12-12 19:36:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think we've covered everything in the "Requested Features" ... Moving to Open Floor.
2024-12-12 19:36:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry, Whats Next
2024-12-12 19:36:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Whats Next
2024-12-12 19:37:30 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Other than working on the requested features we talked about, is there anything anyone is planning on for the next month?
2024-12-12 19:38:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I managed to get funding to go to CentOS Connect / FOSDOM ... so I'll be giving a presentation for the SIG then.
2024-12-12 19:39:39 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> We were toying with the idea quick and dirty QA testing at my $dayjob. Dowloading images and putting them through our company qa tests on a daily basis.
2024-12-12 19:40:07 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I eventually want to have this running outside my corp infa for testing/reporting sake
2024-12-12 19:40:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Would they be able to do that with Live Images?  
2024-12-12 19:40:14 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> bug reports etc
2024-12-12 19:40:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Are are you thinking more of the RAW one's, once they get going?
2024-12-12 19:40:38 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> raw ones
2024-12-12 19:41:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Cool.  That gives me more motivation to get them working.
2024-12-12 19:41:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte: aarch64 only?  Or would they want x86_64 ones too?
2024-12-12 19:41:51 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> x86_64 would be welcome for sure
2024-12-12 19:42:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> fortunately that's easy to do
2024-12-12 19:42:40 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> is it just oem/format=raw configuration in kiwi?
2024-12-12 19:42:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep, cuz it's much easier for me to test the x86_64 ones.   Just on virtual machines, but still easier.
2024-12-12 19:42:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's the same stuff we do for aarch64 images
2024-12-12 19:43:06 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> ah ok
2024-12-12 19:43:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if you look at fedora-kiwi-descriptions, all the aarch64 disks can be built for all arches
2024-12-12 19:43:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the only reason we don't build them is because nobody has asked
2024-12-12 19:44:04 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> well dayjob uses tons of those zima-boards that should be a good fit right?
2024-12-12 19:44:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2024-12-12 19:44:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, talking about the fedora-kiwi-descriptions.    I was looking at those for the erofs stuff.
2024-12-12 19:46:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh?
2024-12-12 19:46:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> oh ... now that I did a git pull, the option changed.
2024-12-12 19:46:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions/pull-request/105
2024-12-12 19:47:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> There used to be filesystem="erofs" erofscompression="zstd,level=12"   ... and it kept erroring on the zstd,level=12 option.
2024-12-12 19:47:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes, zstd,level=12 is not supported in el9
2024-12-12 19:48:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I see you changed it to lzma,level=9 ... I'll try that.
2024-12-12 19:48:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I believe erofs has lzma support in el9
2024-12-12 19:48:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if not, you'll need to use lz4
2024-12-12 19:48:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, I'll give it a try.
2024-12-12 19:49:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> unfortunately the erofs website is out of date :(
2024-12-12 19:49:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it was last updated for linux 6.6
2024-12-12 19:49:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> https://erofs.docs.kernel.org/en/latest/index.html
2024-12-12 19:49:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> which _might_ be accurate for CentOS 9, but wouldn't be for Fedora or CentOS 10
2024-12-12 19:50:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep
2024-12-12 19:50:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, I'll give that a try.  I'd like to have the CS10 images use erofs.   And, if things look good, CS9 as well, but definately CS10.
2024-12-12 19:51:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> same
2024-12-12 19:51:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-12-12 19:52:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I know we've sorta been open floor most of the time, but is there anything people have been holding back on saying/asking because it wasn't open floor?
2024-12-12 19:52:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we now have the comps groups for KDE and similar in EPEL 10 and working now, right?
2024-12-12 19:52:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if we do, we need those groups imported into CBS for image builds
2024-12-12 19:52:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's what's been stopping me from working on hyperscale 10 images
2024-12-12 19:52:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We do.   We don't have all of the packages yet, so I have some excludes.
2024-12-12 19:54:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> ignore ... not excludes
2024-12-12 19:54:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> also, should I ask for a separate tag for hyperscale kernels so that other sigs can consume it separate from the rest of hyperscale experimental?
2024-12-12 19:55:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we've briefly talked about this before, but as we're rejiggering things for 10 right now, I think Davide Cavalca and I would like to know if you're interested in using our kernel for some of your images
2024-12-12 19:55:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> particularly stuff like ARM SBC images
2024-12-12 19:56:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think there are going to be people who want it.   Why don't we do that and see how easy/hard it is.
2024-12-12 19:56:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> alright, I'll have to ask for new build tags for it
2024-12-12 19:56:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> then we can go from there
2024-12-12 19:56:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep
2024-12-12 19:57:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> should I do it just for 10 or both 9 and 10?
2024-12-12 19:57:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Let's start with 10 for now.
2024-12-12 19:57:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> okay
2024-12-12 19:58:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think we'd also need to have seperate images for them.  Maybe CentOS Stream 10 HyperKernel ... or something.
2024-12-12 19:59:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the other option is that you can use kmods sig kernels
2024-12-12 19:59:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't like that name ... but .... something so people know they are a bit different.
2024-12-12 19:59:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> though those are more fedora-ish than rhel-ish
2024-12-12 19:59:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is the CentOS kmods sig still alive?
2024-12-12 20:00:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I guess I haven't been following it, it could be alike and very well and I just didn't notice.
2024-12-12 20:00:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I just saw the time.
2024-12-12 20:01:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for the good discussions and the work ya'll are doing getting these Alt Images working.
2024-12-12 20:01:25 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Thank you Troy
2024-12-12 20:01:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Have some fun, safe holidays, and I'll talk to you next month / year.
2024-12-12 20:01:49 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> bye all
2024-12-12 20:01:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting