18:00:10 <felixfontein> #startmeeting Ansible Community Meeting
18:00:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun  1 18:00:10 2022 UTC.
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18:00:10 <felixfontein> #topic Agenda https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/645
18:00:10 <felixfontein> acozine andersson007_ baptistemm bcoca briantist cyberpear cybette dericcrago dmsimard felixfontein geerlingguy gundalow gwmngilfen ikhan_ jillr jtanner lmodemal misc nitzmahone resmo samccann tadeboro cidrblock thaumos zbr: ping!
18:00:14 <felixfontein> #info Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/645 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics
18:00:17 <felixfontein> #topic Updates
18:00:31 <cybette_> o/
18:00:35 <felixfontein> #chair cybette_
18:00:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: cybette_ felixfontein
18:00:41 <samccann> \o
18:00:45 <felixfontein> #info Ansible 6.0.0b2 has been released
18:00:48 <felixfontein> #chair samccann
18:00:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: cybette_ felixfontein samccann
18:01:03 <acozine> o/
18:01:11 <andersson007_> o/
18:01:14 <felixfontein> #chair acozine andersson007_
18:01:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: acozine andersson007_ cybette_ felixfontein samccann
18:03:27 <acozine> I have been at a conference and on vacation for a full two weeks and have completely lost the thread.
18:03:28 <felixfontein> #info The vote https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/discussions/106 on the Ansible collection inclusion process is closing in two days (2022-06-03)
18:03:49 <felixfontein> welcome back acozine, I hope you enjoyed the time off :)
18:03:56 <cybette_> #info AnsibleFest will be in Chicago, Illinois this year, on October 18-19, 2022. CFP is open: https://www.ansible.com/ansiblefest
18:04:01 <acozine> thanks felixfontein
18:04:13 <felixfontein> I missed last week's meeting, so I'm also not sure what happened then
18:04:18 <felixfontein> (didn't really had time to read up the logs...)
18:04:19 <cybette_> #info There will be an Ansible Contributor Summit the day before AnsibleFest on October 17, 2022 (in person + online). More details about the event will be shared when available!
18:04:44 <felixfontein> cybette_: so it's "only" one day, and not two days like in some of the previous years?
18:05:30 * gundalow waves
18:05:31 <samccann> last week's meeting minutes  -https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/645#issuecomment-1137743372
18:05:54 <acozine> #chair gundalow
18:05:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: acozine andersson007_ cybette_ felixfontein gundalow samccann
18:05:55 <cybette_> felixfontein: yep, event space costs money 😅 but we'll see how things go during planning, maybe we can have hacking online during the week or something
18:06:05 <felixfontein> #info more feedback wanted for the PR that adds dependency rules (before we start voting): https://github.com/ansible-collections/overview/pull/205
18:06:15 <gundalow> felixfontein: Yup, though we hope to have some dedicated Community Space on 18th & 19th for folks to hang out. And as cybette says, hopefully some online things as well
18:06:40 <felixfontein> sounds good to me :)
18:09:16 <felixfontein> I'm wondering whether we should try to get a program printing the Ansible version into Ansible 6.0.0 (i.e. https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/89)
18:09:30 <acozine> I'm trying to come up with a good talk proposal so I can get to AnsibleFest this year.
18:10:03 <bcoca> rtfm, why we write docs for you
18:10:06 <felixfontein> I think I can create a PR for this so we can vote on it starting tomorrow or so, which would allow us to get it into next week's 6.0.0b3 release (assuming that release also happens on Wednesday and not on Tuesday :) )
18:10:27 <gundalow> acozine: deadline is 15th July for AnsibleFest proposals
18:10:27 <cybette_> acozine: look forward to it!
18:10:38 <cybette_> bcoca: lol
18:10:58 <gundalow> felixfontein: Did we decide on a name?
18:11:08 <Warkdev[m]> bcoca: docs are in the hospital
18:11:39 <felixfontein> gundalow: I don't think we finalized on a name, but I think we once (maybe during a meeting?) were favoring `ansible-community --version`
18:12:11 <bcoca> Warkdev[m]: then 'RTFM, there is no such thing as documentation alergy
18:12:41 <Warkdev[m]> I love Ansible doc ;)
18:12:51 <felixfontein> or at least it was suggested by mario in https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/89 and nobody didn't like it :D
18:13:31 <acozine> +1 for mariolenz's proposal
18:14:34 <felixfontein> I think I'll create a PR with that name (and basically the suggestion from https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/89#issuecomment-1119279271, probably even verbatim :) ), test it, and create a vote for it
18:14:43 <gundalow> Sounds good
18:14:51 <felixfontein> if someone wants another name, please propose it ASAP :)
18:15:01 <remindbot[m]> @cybette:ansible.im cyb-clock chimes every 15 minutes during the community meeting
18:15:18 <gundalow> Do we want to call `ansible --version` as well?
18:15:36 <bcoca> Warkdev[m]: was alternate presentation title
18:15:53 <felixfontein> gundalow: you mean outputting the result of it as well?
18:15:59 <acozine> gundalow: that would be good - get all the version information together
18:15:59 <briantist> hey o/
18:15:59 <felixfontein> or something similar?
18:16:00 <briantist> half here
18:16:09 <felixfontein> #chair Warkdev[m] bcoca briantist
18:16:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: Warkdev[m] acozine andersson007_ bcoca briantist cybette_ felixfontein gundalow samccann
18:16:39 <briantist> cybette_: do you know when the venue for Ansible Fest will be announced?
18:17:01 <bcoca> my couch? or we doing live again?
18:17:16 <briantist> is your couch in Chicago? :-p
18:17:52 <cybette_> briantist: I think early July when they open up registrations (last I heard)
18:18:08 <briantist> ok, thanks!
18:18:17 <bcoca> briantist: it has wheels ... easy to  relocate
18:18:38 <felixfontein> you could temporarily live in chicago during AnsibleFest then :)
18:18:56 <felixfontein> you might not be able to move the couch into the venue though
18:18:57 <cybette_> bcoca: we're doing live in-person, you can relocate your couch there!
18:20:42 <cybette_> we can have it outside the venue, like a "friends" couch 😆
18:20:54 <andersson007_> we can create a temporary couch in the meeting room using chairs
18:21:54 <briantist> what's attendance usually like for ansible fest? 10/100/1000/10k+?
18:22:56 <felixfontein> I've never been there, but from the amount of parallel stuff I would gess > 100
18:23:12 <samccann> that's  a big couch
18:23:34 <briantist> 😏
18:23:43 <cybette_> briantist: I think it was several thousand in 2019, but might be less this time as the first in-person even after so long
18:23:43 <cybette_> ok sorry for derailing the topic. I think what felixfontein proposed is grea t(create PR with ansible-community --version) and then we can vote on it
18:24:02 <orandon[m]> could get several inflatable bean bag chairs instead of a couch
18:24:05 <cybette_> (or was that the topic)
18:24:10 <briantist> sorry, I take full responsibility for the derail 🙇‍♂️
18:24:13 <felixfontein> cybette_: it wasn't officially a topic, so no problem ;)
18:24:15 <gundalow> OK folks, lets get back on track :)
18:24:18 <mariolenz[m]> o/
18:24:23 <felixfontein> #chair orandon[m]
18:24:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: Warkdev[m] acozine andersson007_ bcoca briantist cybette_ felixfontein gundalow orandon[m] samccann
18:24:31 <felixfontein> #chair mariolenz[m]
18:24:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: Warkdev[m] acozine andersson007_ bcoca briantist cybette_ felixfontein gundalow mariolenz[m] orandon[m] samccann
18:25:05 <orandon[m]> thanks, sorry I'm a bit late to the party. I blame my timezone.
18:25:12 <felixfontein> mariolenz[m]: in case you missed it, I suggested above to add something like https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/89#issuecomment-1119279271 to antsibull and vote on it so we can have it even in next week's beta
18:25:30 <felixfontein> orandon[m]: which timezone are you in, if I may ask?
18:25:51 <orandon[m]> Irish Standard Time
18:25:57 <felixfontein> ah
18:26:11 <felixfontein> so not far from here, in terms of time zone ;)
18:26:16 <felixfontein> here it's 20:26 right now
18:26:21 <felixfontein> (CEST)
18:26:26 <Warkdev[m]> No timezone is perfect when it goes around the world
18:27:01 <felixfontein> at least we're all living light-seconds next to each other, so we don't have *these* problems as well...
18:29:47 <mariolenz[m]> felixfontein: This would be really great! I never figured out how to do the packaging, otherwise I've have done it.
18:30:01 <remindbot[m]> @cybette:ansible.im cyb-clock chimes every 15 minutes during the community meeting
18:34:38 <mariolenz[m]> FYI, collection-specific dev guides [have been removed](https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/77915) from ansible-core docs.
18:34:55 <felixfontein> (they're still in the ansible docs in case anyone wonders)
18:35:32 <samccann> thanks for the help on that one!
18:35:42 <acozine> nice work!
18:35:58 <andersson007_> 👍
18:42:05 <andersson007_> btw how's the impression about voting in discussions?
18:42:43 <gundalow> I don't think polls on discussions allow you to see who's voted, so we can't count Steering Committee votes
18:43:02 <andersson007_> gundalow: i mean voting with +1 -1
18:43:07 <felixfontein> I find it a bit confusing since there are two very closely related email threads in my ansible-community mailbox (one for the issue, one for the discussion), but I can get used to that ;)
18:43:28 <andersson007_> felixfontein: how about unsubscribing from the discussions?
18:43:46 <mariolenz[m]> <felixfontein> "(they're still in the ansible..." <- Yes, they're still there somehow. But they don't turn up in the [developer guide](https://docs.ansible.com/ansible-core/devel/dev_guide/) any more.
18:43:52 <felixfontein> andersson007_: I don't want to, I was also happy seeing the +1/-1 emails for the issue itself :)
18:44:05 <andersson007_> felixfontein: ah, ok:)
18:44:11 <felixfontein> mariolenz[m]: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/devel/dev_guide/ :)
18:44:21 <felixfontein> there are two developer gues :)
18:44:26 <felixfontein> s/gues/guides/
18:45:01 <remindbot[m]> @cybette:ansible.im cyb-clock chimes every 15 minutes during the community meeting
18:45:24 <acozine> Most content in the "core" docs is repeated in the "ansible" docs, and vice versa except that only the "ansible" docs have collection/module docs
18:46:06 <samccann> and now, the core docs don't have some of the platform-specific dev guides
18:46:31 <samccann> https://docs.ansible.com/ansible-core/devel/dev_guide/index.html
18:46:57 <samccann> it still has windows and cisco ACI. I'm not sure if there is one specific collection those can move to.
18:47:02 <samccann> or if I should remove them from core anyway?
18:47:16 <felixfontein> cisco ACI should have a collection, I'd guess
18:47:40 <felixfontein> Windows makes sense keeping in core, since it mostly describes module utils in core AFAIK
18:47:56 <felixfontein> (though I have to admit to never really have looked at it :) )
18:49:08 <samccann> ok I can go in and remove cisco ACI from core at least. and see if there's a collection I can request it moves to
18:49:10 <mariolenz[m]> felixfontein: Sorry, C&P error. I meant https://docs.ansible.com/ansible-core/devel/dev_guide/
18:49:14 <gundalow> #unchair gundalow
18:49:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: Warkdev[m] acozine andersson007_ bcoca briantist cybette_ felixfontein mariolenz[m] orandon[m] samccann
18:50:38 <felixfontein> bye gundalow!
18:50:45 <felixfontein> is there anything you folks want to discuss?
18:51:02 <samccann> I have an update if we are open floor?
18:51:53 <cybette_> we're still in the "Updates" topic :D
18:51:59 <samccann> HAHAH ok then
18:52:15 <samccann> #info new project board to request docs edits/PR reviews - https://github.com/orgs/ansible-community/projects/3/views/1
18:52:21 <briantist> as felixfontein said, a bunch of Windows support is part of core, and some of it is not pluggable, so I think that mostly does belong there, the only other possibly logical place would be `ansible.windows` since that's a RedHat owned collection, but it really isn't part of the collection itself
18:52:53 <felixfontein> #topic Open floor
18:52:55 <samccann> #info we have a team of community volunteer writers willing to help out with grammar/readability etc. So far limited to Edit on Github changes. Add your PRs to that board or your easyfix issues if you want docs helps
18:52:55 <felixfontein> now we're no longer ;)
18:52:59 <mariolenz[m]> samccann: I think you've already asked Cisco to move stuff to their collection [ here](https://github.com/CiscoDevNet/ansible-aci/issues/278).
18:53:17 * bcoca waits for microsoft.windows collection ...
18:53:23 <andersson007_> those writers are doing a great job
18:54:05 <samccann> I may need to add you to that project board so you can add your PR requests etc. I'd say expect a week or so turnaround time as they are all volunteers from across the globe. and Keep It Simple so to speak - they don't know ansible, but they do know words :-)
18:54:13 <felixfontein> bcoca: let's hope there won't be Microsoft Ansible ;)
18:54:21 <samccann> and there are 5-10 of them looking to get more open source experience
18:54:40 <felixfontein> samccann: this is great news!
18:54:43 <cybette_> \o/ new docs project board and team of community writers
18:54:47 <briantist> bcoca: we're already hurting for maintainers for `community.windows` if microsoft wants to step in there that'd be cool 😁
18:55:31 <samccann> what I've been doing on issues for these writers - labeling easyfix, and putting in exactly what needs to change and a pointer to the file so they can use Edit on Github.
18:55:37 <felixfontein> briantist: if you'd have enough maintainers, all other collections would try to steal them from you ;)
18:59:10 <acozine> it's a dog-eat-dog world out there in open-source maintenance, eh?
18:59:45 <acozine> maybe we need a cloning initiative?
18:59:51 <briantist> how to poach people when there's no money... 💸🤔
18:59:58 <felixfontein> I think bcoca was working on cloning vats...
19:00:13 <acozine> woops, the top of the hour has come
19:00:17 <briantist> it's in one of his 9000 PRs...
19:00:31 <briantist> open* PRs ;)
19:00:32 <acozine> and my ansible carriage has turned back into my day-job pumpkin
19:00:54 <acozine> see y'all on chat through the week
19:01:00 <Warkdev[m]> felixfontein: What ? He did'nt wrote the FM ?
19:01:00 <acozine> #unchair acozine
19:01:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: Warkdev[m] andersson007_ bcoca briantist cybette_ felixfontein mariolenz[m] orandon[m] samccann
19:01:07 <felixfontein> :)
19:01:07 <cybette_> acozine: see ya!
19:01:19 <felixfontein> I think it's time to end this meeting, feel free to continue chatting here :)
19:01:22 <felixfontein> #endmeeting