18:00:16 <felixfontein> #startmeeting Ansible Community Meeting
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18:00:16 <felixfontein> #topic Agenda https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/645
18:00:16 <felixfontein> acozine andersson007_ baptistemm bcoca briantist cyberpear cybette dericcrago dmsimard felixfontein geerlingguy gundalow gwmngilfen ikhan_ jillr jtanner lmodemal misc nitzmahone resmo samccann tadeboro cidrblock thaumos zbr: ping!
18:00:20 <felixfontein> #info Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/645 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics
18:00:23 <felixfontein> #topic Updates
18:01:03 <mariolenz[m]> o/
18:01:07 <felixfontein> #chair mariolenz[m]
18:01:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: felixfontein mariolenz[m]
18:01:36 <samccann> o/
18:01:42 <felixfontein> #chair samccann
18:01:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: felixfontein mariolenz[m] samccann
18:01:47 <cybette_> o/
18:01:53 <felixfontein> #chair cybette_
18:01:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: cybette_ felixfontein mariolenz[m] samccann
18:03:09 <cybette_> #info AnsibleFest registration is open! The event will be at Sheraton Grand Chicago Riverwalk on October 18-19, 2022. Check out the details and register at https://www.ansible.com/ansiblefest
18:03:18 <jillr> o/
18:03:25 <felixfontein> #info There's a new vote on adding rules on collection dependencies: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/discussions/119
18:03:28 <felixfontein> #chair jillr
18:03:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: cybette_ felixfontein jillr mariolenz[m] samccann
18:03:40 <cybette_> #info Ansible Contributor Summit will be the day before AnsibleFest (Oct 17, 2022) at the same location. Due to the focus of the event, space is limited and you'll pre-register to be on the "invite" list (so when you register for Fest you can add on Contributor Summit as an option) https://ansiblecs202210.eventbrite.com/?aff=matrix
18:04:46 <cybette_> #info For those attending Contributor Summit virtually you can also register on Eventbrite and select the "Online" option
18:06:02 <jtanner> hi
18:06:13 <felixfontein> #chair jtanner
18:06:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: cybette_ felixfontein jillr jtanner mariolenz[m] samccann
18:07:06 <felixfontein> if someone from the steering committee could count the votes in https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/discussions/118 that would be great :) (just add a comment on https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/115 with the tally)
18:07:51 <felixfontein> cybette_: will it be possible to follow AnsibleFest itself online as well?
18:07:57 <mariolenz[m]> Should we [start a vote on removing google.cloud](https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/105?issuecomment-1190581527#issuecomment-1190581527)?
18:08:36 <felixfontein> mariolenz[m]: sounds good to me!
18:08:41 <DonNaro[m]> hi all. hope everyone is well. I'm just popping in to say hi and that I've got to wrangle kids this evening. will catch the minutes tomorrow morning. cheers.
18:08:43 <felixfontein> mariolenz[m]: do you want to create a vote for it? :)
18:08:47 <felixfontein> #chair DonNaro[m]
18:08:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: DonNaro[m] cybette_ felixfontein jillr jtanner mariolenz[m] samccann
18:08:58 <cybette_> felixfontein: yes, that's the plan, to have an online compontent (matrix + jitsi streamed to youtube) so everyone can join physicall and virtually
18:09:07 <cybette_> oops sorry you are talking about Fest
18:09:15 * cybette_ needs to learn to read
18:09:29 <felixfontein> DonNaro[m]: now I've chaired you, I hope you don't mind ;)
18:09:51 <DonNaro[m]> of course not!
18:10:17 <mariolenz[m]> felixfontein: Of course it does, it was your suggestion 😃 Sounds good to me, too.
18:10:33 <cybette_> For AnsibleFest, the experience is optimized for in-person attendees, and online content will be made available after the event
18:10:47 <mariolenz[m]> felixfontein: I'll give it a try.
18:10:50 <cybette_> felixfontein ^
18:12:14 <felixfontein> cybette_: thanks :)
18:12:21 <felixfontein> sorry, was afk, fetching something from basement
18:12:31 <felixfontein> (some nice dessert ;) )
18:14:52 <felixfontein> I have a suggestion for the voting question for the boolean normalization discussion: https://gist.github.com/felixfontein/9e532485a081266e6e98d9f0469583d2
18:15:00 <remindbot[m]> @cybette:ansible.im cyb-clock chimes every 15 minutes during the community meeting
18:15:03 <felixfontein> if anyone wants to take a look before I start the vote, now's the time to do so :)
18:16:24 <samccann> given earlier questions/comments - is it worth explaining in the vote why we have true vs True? or is that muddying the details?
18:17:12 <samccann> like 1 ) `true/false` - works with YAML 1.2 and things like `ansible-lint` by default.  ...3) blabla, is what Python uses or whatever...
18:17:32 <felixfontein> I would assume that folks that vote at least skim over the discussion issue first
18:17:55 <felixfontein> but maybe I'm too optimistic ;)
18:17:58 <samccann> yeah was just about to say that too .. hehe. cool. then I'm 👍️for the vote draft
18:18:38 <samccann> you could add 'Please review issue blabla before voting so you are informed of the issues with each option'
18:18:55 <felixfontein> yeah, I was just thinking about something like that, thanks for the formulation :)
18:18:56 <samccann> we can't force em to read, but we can suggest ;-)
18:19:29 <felixfontein> yep :)
18:19:35 * bcoca has rope, and celphane for eyes, cannot force to read, but can force them to look at docs!
18:19:57 <samccann> heh
18:20:14 <felixfontein> that's also one way to do it
18:20:35 <felixfontein> I don't think RH legal would advise you to do that though ;)
18:20:56 <bcoca> that and my 'shock collars for people that open tickets' keep getting shot down
18:23:13 <samccann> hahahah woopsie!
18:26:31 <felixfontein> #info New vote on normalization of boolean values: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/discussions/120
18:27:03 * samccann ponders if bridge is slow again, or felix is slicing up dessert for the rest of us
18:27:30 <felixfontein> samccann: sorry, I just ate it :D
18:27:31 * jillr votes Yes for dessert
18:27:39 <samccann> heh
18:27:44 <felixfontein> if anyone of you would have shown up here you would have gotten a piece
18:27:57 <jillr> lol
18:28:10 <felixfontein> jillr: I vote for more dessert, but the dessert doesn't obey to that :(
18:29:28 * cyberpear joins late
18:29:35 <felixfontein> if anyone is interested in the licensing discussion (SPDX-License-Identifier, LICENSES/ directory), there are now a few collections that implemented the proposal
18:29:38 <felixfontein> #chair cyberpear
18:29:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: DonNaro[m] cyberpear cybette_ felixfontein jillr jtanner mariolenz[m] samccann
18:29:50 <felixfontein> feel free to follow the links in https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/112 if you're interested
18:30:00 <remindbot[m]> @cybette:ansible.im cyb-clock chimes every 15 minutes during the community meeting
18:31:22 <felixfontein> hmm, is there anything someone wants to discuss today?
18:31:39 <felixfontein> or is everyone busy with 1000 other things, heat waves, or whatever else? :)
18:32:00 <feyo[m]> o/ (definitely heatwave busy. aka tired)
18:32:11 <felixfontein> #chair feyo[m]
18:32:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: DonNaro[m] cyberpear cybette_ felixfontein feyo[m] jillr jtanner mariolenz[m] samccann
18:33:45 <samccann> yeah brain slightly melting
18:34:40 <feyo[m]> short question in regards to the vote: can I even vote? I couldnt find anything specifically on the topic in the documentation.
18:35:15 <samccann> possibly as early as next week I'll try redirecting 2.3 docs to latest with the referrer redirect. Still need to generalize it and let people know this is the plan
18:35:37 <felixfontein> feyo[m]: everyone can vote. community votes (i.e. votes from others than steering committee members) are counted separately, and do not count on the final decision
18:36:17 <samccann> and the details on the topic are in that linked issue
18:36:37 <felixfontein> feyo[m]: in the (hopefully) unlikely case that the community votes differ a lot from the SC votes the SC will likely discuss that in detail, so the votes are not for nothing :)
18:36:51 <felixfontein> samccann: sounds good!
18:37:43 <cybette_> yeah community votes are definitely important!
18:40:47 <felixfontein> hmm, if nobody wants to discuss anything we could actually close early today :)
18:41:00 <felixfontein> #topic open floor
18:41:16 <felixfontein> (though basically the meeting was 'open floor' since the start ;) )
18:41:22 <samccann> heheh
18:41:42 <samccann> nothing else here. juggling too many cats at the moment to think clearly
18:42:40 <felixfontein> hehe :)
18:42:53 <cybette_> summer vacation time, so things might be a bit slow. I'll be on PTO for the next 2 weeks
18:42:58 <felixfontein> our cats only wanted attention for food, now that they are fed they keep their distance...
18:43:28 <samccann> +1 for pto
18:43:40 <cybette_> oh speaking of which ...
18:43:44 <cybette_> #info After this week's Bullhorn release, we'll skip an issue of The Bullhorn next week and return in 2 weeks.
18:43:58 <samccann> my metaphorical cats keep coming back for more/different metaphorical food!
18:44:28 <samccann> i have a question for the hive mind
18:44:41 <felixfontein> #info Vote on google.cloud being unmaintained and removed from Ansible 8: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/discussions/121
18:44:57 <samccann> Should I be soliciting feedback for this redirect of old EOL docs before I do it? There is already an older outstanding community-topic
18:45:00 <remindbot[m]> @cybette:ansible.im cyb-clock chimes every 15 minutes during the community meeting
18:45:02 <felixfontein> not sure whether "shoot!" is still appropriate to say
18:45:12 <samccann> but now that I'm about to 'flip the switch' wondering if I need to scream it from the rooftops first for a week?
18:45:38 <felixfontein> did anyone have doubts in the existing discussion?
18:45:46 <mariolenz[m]> I think it's the first time that I open a vote. Could you pleease have a look at https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/discussions/121 ? If it's OK, I would announce it on Bullhorn.
18:45:50 <felixfontein> if not, I think you can just throw the switch if you feel confident on the change
18:46:12 <felixfontein> mariolenz[m]: I think it looks good, and I already voted ;)
18:46:29 <samccann> I think the only doubt was suggestions we are putting to much effort into it ;-)
18:46:56 <samccann> or using `noindex` instead but our internal search expert is against that option for $REASONS.
18:47:03 <felixfontein> samccann: then I'd just throw the switch, and announce that you did so in the discussion issue
18:47:14 <samccann> ok cool thanks.
18:47:36 <felixfontein> mariolenz[m]: you should announce the vote in https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/105 as well
18:47:49 <felixfontein> (and include the deadline in its topic)
18:52:14 <felixfontein> ok, if nobody has anything else, I'll close in a minute
18:53:34 <felixfontein> #endmeeting