18:00:14 <felixfontein> #startmeeting Ansible Community Meeting
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18:00:14 <felixfontein> #topic Agenda https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/645
18:00:14 <felixfontein> acozine andersson007_ baptistemm bcoca briantist cyberpear cybette dericcrago dmsimard felixfontein geerlingguy gundalow gwmngilfen ikhan_ jillr jtanner lmodemal misc nitzmahone resmo samccann tadeboro cidrblock thaumos zbr: ping!
18:00:18 <felixfontein> #info Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/645 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics
18:00:21 <felixfontein> #topic Updates
18:00:37 <samccann> \o
18:00:37 <acozine> o/
18:00:37 <DonNaro[m]> o/
18:00:37 <gotmax[m]> .hello gotmax23
18:00:37 <cybette_> o/
18:00:47 <andersson007_> o/
18:00:54 <felixfontein> #chair samccann acozine DonNaro[m] gotmax[m] cybette_ andersson007_
18:00:54 <zodbot_> Current chairs: DonNaro[m] acozine andersson007_ cybette_ felixfontein gotmax[m] samccann
18:00:57 <cyberpear> o/
18:01:02 <felixfontein> #chair cyberpear
18:01:02 <zodbot_> Current chairs: DonNaro[m] acozine andersson007_ cyberpear cybette_ felixfontein gotmax[m] samccann
18:01:09 <felixfontein> hmm
18:01:10 <jtanner> hi
18:01:18 <felixfontein> is zodbot_ not active?
18:01:34 <acozine> it would seem not
18:01:40 <cybette_> yeah
18:01:49 <felixfontein> well, I guess then we don't get minutes for free today...
18:01:51 <gotmax[m]> I can ask in the Fedora infra channel
18:01:54 <bcoca> also not in #ansbile-meeting
18:02:38 <felixfontein> hmm
18:02:43 <felixfontein> it does work in #ansible-docs :)
18:02:47 <gotmax[m]> I think there was some planned downtime in the Fedora infra
18:02:48 <gotmax[m]> Not sure if that's happening now
18:03:10 <samccann> lol y'all can head there if you wanna run the meeting with minutes :-)
18:03:14 <felixfontein> well it does work in #ansible-docs, but not in #ansible-meeting and here... sounds more like a configuration problem to me
18:03:24 <cybette_> #info ansible-core 2.13.3 and ansible-core 2.12.8 have been released https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/px0IRJodpKY
18:03:31 <felixfontein> I guess we can also just talk a bit
18:03:34 <gotmax[m]> The downtime starts in 2 hours
18:03:36 <acozine> heh, no info either
18:03:56 <briantist> hi all, I can't really join today's meeting, but I wanted to bring up this inclusion request; doesn't have to be discussed in this meeting, it could be taken to the GH discussion: https://github.com/ansible-collections/ansible-inclusion/discussions/51
18:04:06 <bcoca> you may experience time distortions during/after/before teh downtime
18:04:08 <andersson007_> it ran out of memory a bit early than the downtime
18:04:51 <felixfontein> where did I leave that phonebox...?
18:04:53 <samccann> I can manually copy any Infos etc into a doc and put them up as meeting minutes
18:05:00 <mariolenz[m]> o/
18:05:01 <samccann> we won't have a log tho
18:05:16 <bcoca> matix log
18:05:17 <andersson007_> briantist: why is the request special?:)
18:05:21 <felixfontein> yeah... since we don't have decisions in here, that should be fine
18:05:43 <felixfontein> andersson007_: it seems to be a windows/powershell collection
18:06:06 <andersson007_> felixfontein: yep but why is it special for briantist?:)
18:06:13 <briantist> the collection was created and is maintained by a friend and former coworker of mine. I helped to set up some of the initial stuff in the collection, CI, etc. but have mostly been hands-off in the rest of the stuff, with lowlydba fully maintaining it. I know there aren't a lot of Windows folks in the committee, and we already have trouble getting reviews; I am volunteering to do the review for this one, unless anyone has
18:06:13 <briantist> concerns about my relationship to the requestor.
18:06:14 <jtanner> that duplicates functionality of another collection
18:06:46 <andersson007_> briantist: please do it:)
18:06:53 <felixfontein> jtanner: that othe collection isn't part of the Ansible package either
18:06:55 <andersson007_> does anyone disagree?
18:07:18 <briantist> I'm not saying it's special necessarily, just bringing it up to both volunteer and disclose the ways I've been involved in it
18:07:24 <felixfontein> briantist: from what I know you're the most experienced windows collection expert in the committee, so you should deinitely review it
18:07:28 <spacelord[m]> <felixfontein> "spacelord: not really. you can..." <- I think it's easier to write some documentation how to run the modules. It's the nextcloud cli that needs to be executex from the webserver's user.
18:07:34 <jtanner> felixfontein: does including it in the package sanction it as the one that  future contributors should work on?
18:07:39 <bcoca> does it have extra depeneencies?
18:08:02 <andersson007_> btw i'd like to ask you folks to take part in an inclusion requests review day next week (or this Friday if you like), what do you think?
18:08:15 <andersson007_> there are 5-6 collections
18:08:20 <felixfontein> jtanner: so far I don't know either of them, so I cannot really comment without taking a look at both first
18:08:34 <briantist> I will have to check but I believe it has no dependencies on other collections
18:08:41 <mariolenz[m]> o/
18:08:43 <andersson007_> i can review 2-3 max, so 2-3 reviewers will be enough
18:09:34 <DonNaro[m]> andersson007_: I'd like to participate in that, even just to learn, because I've been looking at a jboss middleware collection and have some questions about the inclusion process. the only snag is PTO the rest of this week and then Monday next week.
18:09:59 <felixfontein> jtanner: https://github.com/linux-system-roles/mssql (the sources of https://galaxy.ansible.com/microsoft/sql) seems to be a collection consisting of exactly one role
18:10:01 <spacelord[m]> spacelord[m]: Also im using pythons own subprocess thingy. Should I switch?
18:10:10 <andersson007_> DonNaro[m]: cool, we can conduct it after next Monday
18:10:11 <felixfontein> jtanner: so it's quite different from the other collection, which seems to be a set of modules
18:11:01 <felixfontein> spacelord[m]: modules should always use module.run_command() and not subprocess or anything else
18:11:10 <andersson007_> if briantist reviews that collection before the review day, it'll increase chances to its fast inclusion (i.e. it'll get the second review on the review day)
18:11:16 <felixfontein> there's a section in the ansible dev guide about that (one about writing secure modules)
18:11:17 <gotmax[m]> According to the Fedora infra main admin (Fun Fact: he's also the ansible package co-maintainer), zodbot is in a weird state
18:11:28 <andersson007_> though there are collections that wait since 2021..
18:11:29 <felixfontein> gotmax[m]: thanks for asking :)
18:11:30 <gotmax[m]> Aparently, #ansible-community won't let it change it's nick
18:11:30 <mariolenz[m]> andersson007_: Somehow, I find it hard to find the time for this at the moment. I could try to work on one inclusion request, but I won't promise anything.
18:11:35 <gotmax[m]> *its
18:11:36 <felixfontein> poor zodbot_... I hope it gets better soon :)
18:12:01 <spacelord[m]> felixfontein: Are there docs about this? I need stderr stdout and a returncode in seperate vars.
18:12:01 <gotmax[m]> ERROR 2022-08-17T18:09:49 supybot Unhandled error message from server: IrcMsg(server_tags={}, prefix="copper.libera.chat", command="435", args=('zodbot_', 'zodbot', '#ansible-community', 'Cannot change nickname because you are banned or quieted while in this channel.'))
18:12:12 <andersson007_> mariolenz[m]: ok, no worries:) thanks
18:12:14 <felixfontein> gwmngilfen-work: ^
18:12:16 <briantist> andersson007_: if the review day is this Friday I can't, I'm traveling and won't be able to look until this weekend earliest, possibly the next
18:12:26 <jtanner> felixfontein: that one is odd ... the repo is a role, not a collection
18:12:28 <andersson007_> briantist: probably next week
18:12:32 <felixfontein> gotmax[m]: I guess gwmngilfen-work will have to take a look
18:12:44 <andersson007_> maybe next Friday
18:12:46 <felixfontein> jtanner: indeed, but they seem to build the collection out of that repo as well
18:13:11 <felixfontein> jtanner: there's a .collection directory, I guess a build process copies everything into roles/server/ and moves the contents of .collection back
18:13:17 <briantist> same reason I can't actually attend this or other meetings this week, and why I will have to drop off shortly :) I wanted to pop in just to make sure if anyone had concerns with me reviewing that those concerns are taken into consideration
18:13:27 <andersson007_> what do you think about Friday next week as an inclusion requests review day?
18:13:33 <gotmax[m]> Gwmngilfen is not the only channel admin... But he says there might be something else going on.
18:13:34 <felixfontein> briantist: thanks for being here, and enjoy traveling!
18:13:42 <briantist> thanks felixfontein
18:14:08 <felixfontein> gotmax[m]: true, but he did work on the config about which users are allowed to talk and things like that IIRC
18:14:15 <andersson007_> what do you ALL (who'd like to participate) think about Friday next week as an inclusion requests review day?
18:14:27 <spacelord[m]> * Are there docs about this? I need stderr stdout and a returncode in seperate vars/some object.
18:14:46 <spacelord[m]> * Are there docs about this? I need stderr stdout and a returncode in vars/some object.
18:14:48 <DonNaro[m]> I hate to say I'm also on PTO next Friday (forgot about that until you mentioned it, sorry)
18:15:00 <remindbot[m]> @cybette:ansible.im cyb-clock chimes every 15 minutes during the community meeting
18:15:14 <DonNaro[m]> but if it's like one or two hours I could do that
18:15:35 <DonNaro[m]> * do that, regardless of PTO
18:15:43 <felixfontein> spacelord[m]: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/devel/dev_guide/developing_modules_best_practices.html#module-security
18:15:50 <spacelord[m]> spacelord[m]: felixfontein: ?
18:16:06 <andersson007_> DonNaro[m]: for me personally it doesn't take longer than 1-2 hours but i did a lot of reviews.. and I do appreciate your PTO time:)
18:16:22 <gotmax[m]> That's about module.run_command(). It should always be used instead of e.g. subprocess.run()
18:16:28 <gotmax[m]> spacelord: ^
18:16:46 <felixfontein> #info There's an active vote: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/discussions/127 - Remove servicenow.servicenow in Ansible 7
18:16:51 <felixfontein> please don't forget to vote :)
18:17:04 <andersson007_> please remember to vote:)
18:17:07 <felixfontein> we have only three votes so far, and the deadline is next Monday
18:17:21 <felixfontein> (so we can get the announcement into the next Ansible 6 release, which happens next ~Tuesday)
18:17:23 <andersson007_> better right now on the spot
18:17:27 <DonNaro[m]> thanks andersson007_ I don't want to be a pain about it. I'll go with whatever everyone else can do but obvs would prefer Tues / Weds / Thurs
18:18:02 <andersson007_> DonNaro[m]: next week? Any of the days works for me
18:18:19 <andersson007_> maybe not wednesday
18:18:36 <andersson007_> so Tuesday or Thursday
18:18:50 <DonNaro[m]> how about Tuesday then?
18:18:57 <andersson007_> DonNaro[m]: which is your TZ ?
18:19:23 <DonNaro[m]> Ireland (GMT)
18:19:27 <felixfontein> thanks for the votes already :)
18:19:30 <samccann> andersson007_: for the meeting minutes, is that the Collection inclusion review day then on Tuesday?
18:19:47 <andersson007_> samccann: good question:)
18:19:56 <andersson007_> depends on other potential attendees
18:20:23 <andersson007_> so DonNaro[m] , maybe mariolenz[m] , me, who else can?
18:20:43 <spacelord[m]> felixfontein: Thats a good read Thanks!
18:20:43 <spacelord[m]> But is there documentation about how to use module.run_command
18:20:49 <spacelord[m]> * Thats a good read Thanks!
18:20:49 <spacelord[m]> But is there documentation about how to use module.run_command?
18:20:58 <mariolenz[m]> felixfontein: I think I will start a discussion and a vote about collections that have been deprecated by their maintainers. I think we should remove those collections in the next major release, not current +2.
18:21:07 <felixfontein> spacelord[m]: you could read the docstring for that function
18:21:17 <felixfontein> (or look at other modules that use it - there are plenty examples)