18:00:16 #startmeeting Ansible Community Meeting 18:00:16 Meeting started Wed Aug 9 18:00:16 2023 UTC. 18:00:16 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 18:00:16 The chair is gotmax. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 18:00:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'ansible_community_meeting' 18:00:20 #topic Hello world 18:00:22 12maxamillion:one.ems.host> .hello2 18:00:34 12maxamillion:one.ems.host> hrmmm... I'm guessing that's not going to work anymore 18:01:12 #info Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics 18:01:22 Landrash[m], acozine, andersson007_, anwesha, ascherbaum, baptistemm, bcoca, briantist, cidrblock, cyberpear, cybette, dericcrago, dmsimard, felixfontein, geerlingguy, gotmax, gundalow, gwmngilfen, ikhan_, jillr, jtanner, lmodemal, mariolenz[m], markuman, maxamillion, misc, nitzmahone, ompragash, oranod, resmo, russoz, samccann, thaumos, 18:01:22 wbentley15[m], zbr: The Ansible community meeting is starting now! 18:01:22 The ping list is stored at https://kutt.it/meeting-people. Feel free to add or remove yourself. 18:01:41 02acozine> o/ 18:01:46 .hello2 18:01:47 gotmax: Something blew up, please try again 18:01:50 gotmax: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 18:01:52 o/ 18:02:17 Y'all may have a better experience if you join from IRC rather than Matrix 18:02:23 02Don Naro> o/ 18:02:26 02Don Naro> hello 18:02:33 #chair ansible_relay cybette 18:02:33 Current chairs: ansible_relay cybette gotmax 18:02:42 Hi everyone! 18:02:59 12maxamillion:one.ems.host> zodbot: hello2 18:03:00 12maxamillion:one.ems.host> well ... nevermind 18:03:21 .hello maxamillion 18:03:22 gotmax: Something blew up, please try again 18:03:25 gotmax: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 18:03:29 Well, it's broken anyways 18:03:51 12samccann> bummer. it worked from the docs channel on Tues 18:03:55 12samccann> and o/ 18:04:06 meetbot works. the .hello command is just broken. 18:04:44 04Leo> Hi all. relay working or we should jump to irc? :D 18:04:54 relay works, but I'd suggest jumping to IRC 18:05:12 I don't think you can use zodbot commands such as #info over the relay 18:05:13 02acozine> I'll have to dig up my IRC client 18:05:17 08Landrash> Yikes the relay bot is horrible for Matrix 18:05:42 Some core RCs were released; I guess I'll #info those 18:06:30 #info ansible-core 2.14.9rc1 was released this week: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/xRCIbTnuZEw 18:06:33 08Landrash> Setting up a secondary IRC client and all that stuff is not something folks on Mobile is going to do. 😔 18:07:00 #info ansible-core 2.15.3rc1 was released this week: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/cZ-2g_kP94Q 18:07:01 #info We are having an Ansible Community Day in Berlin next month, on September 20. Registration will be available shortly, however the CFP is now running: https://www.papercall.io/ansible-community-day-berlin-2023 18:07:30 please take a look and submit a talk if you're interested! ^ 18:08:55 04Leo> same here. it's been a while. hexchat here we go 18:09:05 hi all from irc :) 18:09:11 hi leogallego! 18:09:37 I won't be able to come, but good luck with it! 18:10:10 Does anybody have a topic they'd like to discuss? 18:10:27 There's https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/251#issuecomment-1666434322 about Python versions, but felixfontein isn't here 18:11:13 #info Please vote on whether to remove community.azure from Ansible 10: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/discussions/264 18:12:19 acozine is here on IRC, not sure why my username has changed 18:12:25 but it's me 18:12:43 #chair akcozine_ leogallego oranod 18:12:43 Current chairs: akcozine_ ansible_relay cybette gotmax leogallego oranod 18:12:51 #topic Open Floor 18:13:40 12samccann> Leo: are you here? 18:13:52 08Landrash> @gotmax the use of # makes the text Heading size one. If the use of the relay bot is the future the # should probably be avoided to make the chat slightly easier to read 18:13:53 yes, in both :D 18:13:54 12samccann> I'm not sure if he had more namespace questions or not 18:14:15 12samccann> haha ok. did you have a question about using the `ansible` namespace for both up and downstream? or is that old news? 18:14:27 13cybette> Landrash: it's a temporary measure while the bridge is down 18:14:38 12maxamillion:one.ems.host> voted in the issue ticket 18:15:01 10remindbot> @cybette:ansible.im cyb-clock chimes every 15 minutes during the community meeting 18:15:18 Landrash: We need to use `#` for zodbot. The relaybot is applying markdown formatting when it shouldn't. 18:15:40 08Landrash> Ahh thanks for the info 18:16:17 samccann I do, but I will create a namespaces topic before bringing it up here I think. From what I found out, ansible namespace is reserved by RH. I do wonder how we can promote the community namespace for RH upstream. 18:17:26 about the azure collection, is there a process to onboard the replacement to the community package? or unless the mantainer resubmits for inclusion, it's not done? 18:17:27 12samccann> do we know how many certified collections (other than some RH ones) actually change their names upstream vs downstream/certified? 18:18:07 The awx collection obviously. The linux-system-roles collection does. 18:18:14 I don't know how many others 18:18:28 samccann I was trying to find out a few of those details. We got a governance doc, if we could work on the community guidelines, we could ask them to refer to that for upstream 18:19:26 @gotmax those and there was satellite/foreman, kubernetes/openshift and a couple others 18:20:10 but I will write down and bring to a WG meeting as soon as I have 18:20:21 Sounds good 18:20:34 12samccann> cool thanks 18:20:43 the urgency with galaxy has passed, they are going with galaxy.galaxy apparently even though we suggested otherwise 18:21:09 o/ 18:21:20 #chair felixfontein 18:21:20 Current chairs: akcozine_ ansible_relay cybette felixfontein gotmax leogallego oranod 18:21:31 sorry for being late! 18:21:39 Thanks for coming at all! 18:21:59 12samccann> :headdesk: 18:22:12 #action leogallego to open a community-topic about ansible collection namespace 18:22:20 felixfontein: do you want to discuss https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/251#issuecomment-1666434322? 18:23:04 gotmax: sounds good to me! 18:23:21 #topic Update Python requirements for collections included in Ansible 18:23:28 #topic https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/251 18:23:32 Oops 18:23:33 #undo 18:23:33 Removing item from minutes: 18:23:43 #link https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/251 18:24:05 I tried to write up a proposal which sounds reasonable to me: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/251#issuecomment-1666434322 18:24:08 what do others think about it? 18:24:15 I like it 18:24:23 It's a reasonable compromise 18:24:40 the basic idea is that collections have to support Python versions that ansible-core supports controller side (except if the libraries they need don't support these), and should support target Python versions as well (but don't have to) 18:25:10 and there's the possibility for further exceptions approved by the S 18:25:11 C 18:25:27 (which is obviously always possible, but saying it explicitly doesn't hurt IMO) 18:25:38 proposal seems reasonable to me 18:25:50 when we document it, we should add an example for ease of use 18:26:04 Yeah, I think we're open to flexibility on this one so fine to say it explicitly 18:27:05 should I convert this into a PR? 18:27:10 +1 18:27:16 +1 18:27:47 ok! I won't manage that today, but I should be able to finish it before the weekend 18:27:51 Sounds good 18:27:56 Does anyone else have something to add? 18:28:10 then we can word-smith it for some days, and start a vote somewhen next week when everyone is happy 18:29:30 #topic Open Floor 18:30:01 10remindbot> @cybette:ansible.im cyb-clock chimes every 15 minutes during the community meeting 18:30:11 While ugly, the relaybot is much more reliable than the actual bridge... 18:30:42 hehe that's true 18:31:04 No dropped or out of order or delayed messages 18:31:26 I guess I'll close this out in a couple minutes 18:33:52 12samccann> oh interesting... there were out of order/dropped messages on the bridge? (I mean back when the bridge was still fully working, not the most recent week or so of chaos) 18:33:53 the good thing about the bridge disaster is that I had to spend some more time with the matrix client, and can handle it a bit better by now ;) 18:34:21 samccan: yes, sometimes messages went missing, or took a long time../ 18:34:25 samccann: yes, quite frequently 18:34:35 12maxamillion:one.ems.host> TIL 18:34:37 felixfontein, which matrix client are you using 18:35:00 I often noticed, because I switched between IRC and Matrix, but to others it wasn't always visible unless it was especially bad 18:35:14 leogallego: gomuks, it's a text based client 18:35:32 https://github.com/tulir/gomuks#gomuks 18:36:15 I use The Lounge hooked up to the chat.sr.ht bouncer for IRC and Element web/android for Matrix 18:36:47 #endmeeting