15:02:07 <acozine> #startmeeting Ansible Docs Working Group aka DaWGs
15:02:07 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Apr 30 15:02:07 2019 UTC.
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15:02:17 <acozine> who's around?
15:02:39 * alongchamps waves
15:02:46 <acozine> #chair alongchamps
15:02:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: acozine alongchamps
15:03:27 <acozine> samccann is out this week
15:04:08 <acozine> gundalow dag decentral1se felixfontein Pilou shaps Xaroth you folks chiming in this week?
15:04:14 * gundalow waves
15:06:16 <acozine> #chair gundalow
15:06:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: acozine alongchamps gundalow
15:06:34 <acozine> I merged the docs-build speedup we discussed last week
15:06:35 <gundalow> Nothing from me
15:06:38 <gundalow> ah, nice
15:07:28 <acozine> on the dev-docs side, I've got https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/55931 open - it incorporates work Pilou did months (years?) ago
15:08:10 <acozine> open docs PRs have been steady at just under 75 this week: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3Adocs
15:08:36 <acozine> I'd love to see folks "adopt" stale PRs to see if we can update-and-merge or close them
15:11:16 <acozine> alongchamps: what are you up to? any PRs or issues to shepherd through the system?
15:11:29 <alongchamps> nothing much on my side; just watching
15:14:22 <acozine> well, this may be the shortest DaWGs meeting ever
15:14:43 <acozine> oh, for anyone interested in AnsibleFest . . .
15:15:08 <acozine> Call for Proposals is open: https://ansiblefest2019.eventpoint.com/cfp
15:15:34 <acozine> folks who give talks get free conference registration
15:19:18 <acozine> #topic random PRs
15:19:30 <acozine> what do folks think about https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/55870?
15:21:06 <acozine> is there a way to get `failed_when` to join multiple conditions with `OR`?
15:21:25 <acozine> it seems like a reasonable use case to me
15:21:53 <acozine> so this is one of those docs PRs that might spark a change to the code . . .
15:23:12 <bcoca> acozine: failed_when: x == y or z == a
15:23:27 <acozine> #chair bcoca
15:23:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: acozine alongchamps bcoca gundalow
15:23:48 <bcoca> same with 'and', but 'and' is also 'implicit' when using a list
15:24:03 <bcoca> failed_when: [ x ==y, z == a]
15:24:15 <acozine> the example looks like this:
15:24:30 <acozine> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/fWYxATUs/failed_when%20example
15:25:31 <acozine> if you wanted that to fail if either condition is met,  what's the right syntax?
15:25:35 <bcoca> that is basically same as [ a, b]
15:25:39 <bcoca> both are 'lists'
15:25:54 <acozine> ah, okay
15:26:06 <bcoca> failed_when: result.rc == 0 or "no such" not in results.stdout
15:26:32 <bcoca> lists are always 'imlpicit AND' there is not 'implicit OR'
15:26:37 <bcoca> you must be explicit
15:28:33 <acozine> so I'll parade my ignorance here - the example you gave is NOT a list - what is it? It's not an array either - how would you describe it?
15:28:44 <bcoca> list == array
15:28:50 <bcoca> diff names, same thing
15:29:06 <bcoca> which example are you specifically reffering to? i gave several
15:29:22 <acozine> heh, the `failed_when: result.rc == 0 or "no such" not in results.stdout` one
15:29:29 <bcoca> string
15:29:37 <acozine> great, thanks
15:29:39 <bcoca> aka, not a list/array
15:29:50 <acozine> heh, exactly
15:30:10 <bcoca> dict == map == hash == associative array (devs love to rename same stuff diff ways)
15:30:39 <bcoca> list == array == stack ~= queue/fifo/lifo (these are just lists with ordering rules)
15:31:07 <acozine> awesome, I'll update that PR with more details
15:31:35 <acozine> any other contenders for Next Random PR to Review?
15:35:06 <acozine> Can anyone understand what's going on in this one?
15:35:08 <acozine> https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/55796
15:36:13 <acozine> it just looks wrong, but then I'm not sure what his playbook was trying to accomplish
15:38:53 <acozine> it's a quiet day in docs-land
15:40:19 <acozine> I'm going to call the meeting for today - feel free to add topics (PRs, issues, ideas, complaints, etc.) to the agenda for next week in a comment at the bottom of https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/389
15:40:31 <acozine> thanks alongchamps gundalow bcoca!
15:40:50 <acozine> #endmeeting