17:00:44 <akasurde> #startmeeting AnsibleFest Contributors Summit: Cloud Breakout
17:00:44 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Sep 23 17:00:44 2019 UTC.
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17:01:00 <akasurde> #chair akasurde
17:01:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: akasurde
17:01:05 <akasurde> #chair shaps
17:01:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: akasurde shaps
17:01:11 <akasurde> #chair Goneri
17:01:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: Goneri akasurde shaps
17:01:15 <akasurde> #chair shertel
17:01:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: Goneri akasurde shaps shertel
17:01:20 <akasurde> #chair felixfontein
17:01:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: Goneri akasurde felixfontein shaps shertel
17:01:22 <felixfontein> hi!
17:01:26 * akasurde waves
17:01:39 <akasurde> #chair jillr
17:01:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: Goneri akasurde felixfontein jillr shaps shertel
17:01:55 <akasurde> dericcrago, are you around ?
17:06:48 <akasurde> #info jillr is starting the introduction to Cloud Breakout in Ansible Fest Atlanta 2019
17:07:12 <akasurde> #info Link to Etherpad - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ansible-summit-atlanta-2019-cloud
17:08:13 <akasurde> #chair Abrass
17:08:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: Abrass Goneri akasurde felixfontein jillr shaps shertel
17:08:18 <felixfontein> is there audio? I'm not hearing anything right now
17:08:34 <akasurde> #chair dmellado
17:08:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: Abrass Goneri akasurde dmellado felixfontein jillr shaps shertel
17:08:50 <jtanner> Intermittent talking, fighting AV issues
17:09:23 <akasurde> #info Goneri is talking about VMware CI automation
17:09:43 <felixfontein> so in theory I should be able to hear something?
17:09:49 <dmellado> felixfontein: yeah
17:09:51 <jtanner> Yes
17:09:52 <dmellado> goneri's speaking
17:09:52 <akasurde> felixfontein, yes
17:09:57 <dmellado> can't you hear him?
17:09:59 <shaps> felixfontein: you should yes
17:10:40 <akasurde> #info Goneri and jillr added support for WorldStream for VMware CI automation
17:11:02 <akasurde> #info One VMware CI automation takes 20 min to spin up new environment
17:11:24 <felixfontein> ah. now I have audio...
17:11:29 <akasurde> felixfontein, Cool
17:13:02 <elijahd> Does cloud team have pans to leverage collections for some of the modules? what will that migration look like?
17:13:31 <akasurde> #chair elijahd
17:13:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: Abrass Goneri akasurde dmellado elijahd felixfontein jillr shaps shertel
17:13:50 <elijahd> does that mean I should ping a chair?
17:14:06 <elijahd> oh wait you made me one oops hah
17:14:06 <jtanner> cloud is a primary usecase for collections, but we haven’t yet tested or decided on how that will look
17:14:13 <akasurde> elijahd, yes, for VMware we are testing collection and how we can leverage the power of collection
17:14:39 <elijahd> ok, very interested in what the "deprecation"/"graduation" messaging will look like
17:14:51 <elijahd> e.g. "hey go use the collection" when calling the module direclty
17:14:57 <elijahd> *directly
17:15:47 <akasurde> #info VMware Ansible team using Worldstream environment for CI automation
17:18:57 <akasurde> #info jillr is talking about "Status of AWS"
17:19:26 <akasurde> Integration tests added in current release of Ansible
17:19:39 <akasurde> *2.9
17:20:59 <akasurde> #info AWS integration tests - https://github.com/ansible/community/blob/master/group-aws/integration.md
17:22:16 <shertel> I'm curious if mattclay can weigh in on CI as things get broken out into different repo(s). Since 2.4 we have required integration tests  for new features/modules, so I'm curious how that will change.
17:23:35 <shertel> I kind of assume the necessity of tests is going to go away
17:24:08 <elijahd> jillr asked a min ago about what migration to collections might look like
17:24:15 <elijahd> if you have any prognostications
17:24:22 * elijahd raises hand
17:25:50 <akasurde> elijahd, I will take question after the current question
17:26:02 <elijahd> ack thanks
17:26:33 <akasurde> question  is How can spin up VMware setup for testing the VMware integration tests ?
17:27:03 <akasurde> #action Goneri will add document link to point the VMware integration test
17:28:05 <akasurde> #info Document for VMware test guidelines - https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/docs/docsite/rst/dev_guide/platforms/vmware_guidelines.rst
17:29:35 <akasurde> Question - how can I find Azure integration test guidelines and finding documentation around ?
17:30:43 <akasurde> #action Akasurde Ask Azure community to develop a document for Azure integration tests
17:38:16 <akasurde> elijahd,  what the "deprecation"/"graduation" messaging will look like
17:38:42 <akasurde> elijahd, Collection will be segrega
17:39:15 <akasurde> elijahd, Collection will be separated like aws-community-collection or vmware-community-collection etc.
17:39:57 <elijahd> jillr thanks
17:40:53 <akasurde> elijahd, There will be definitely a deprecation cycle before collection is supported fully.
17:41:42 <akasurde> #chair Abrass
17:41:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: Abrass Goneri akasurde dmellado elijahd felixfontein jillr shaps shertel
17:41:45 <akasurde> #chair Abrass_
17:41:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: Abrass Abrass_ Goneri akasurde dmellado elijahd felixfontein jillr shaps shertel
17:42:29 <akasurde> #chair dflick
17:42:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: Abrass Abrass_ Goneri akasurde dflick dmellado elijahd felixfontein jillr shaps shertel
17:44:30 <akasurde> Question is - How we maintain single point of truth for Collection ?
17:46:35 <elijahd> jillr was the question touching on how can we define what versions of anisble a collection is compatible with?
17:47:13 <elijahd> e.g. a collection is updated to use something that only works in ansible 2.13? what happens when installing collection in 2.10?
17:47:35 <akasurde> elijahd yes
17:47:59 <elijahd> can you re-summarize response, because I did not grok it
17:48:49 <akasurde> Yes, We still have to figure out about Support matrix for Collection so it is too early to answer right now
17:49:34 <akasurde> Question - What is timeline to introduce to Community collection for existing modules ?
17:50:14 <akasurde> Answer - Ansible Core team has "scripts" which will create Collection for existing module.
17:50:40 <akasurde> #action Akasurde Ask Dylan for Timeline for Collection creation and migrations
17:51:29 <akasurde> #info Link to Collection - https://github.com/ansible-collections
17:53:39 <akasurde> #action Akasurde ask Acozine about doc about issue migration and go-to place for people to point to
17:56:31 <akasurde> Question - How partners can support or test the collection they own and publish the results of internal tests to Community ?
17:58:20 <akasurde> Answer - Currently there is no standard solution for all Cloud collection testing and publishing the results to Community
18:01:58 <akasurde> Question - Will collection owner becomes the owner of integration tests as well ? And also provide the platform for running the test cases and publishing the test cases
18:02:16 <akasurde> Answer - there is no current decision on this as well
18:02:34 <akasurde> #action Akasurde Ask Dylan about this ^^
18:06:05 <akasurde> https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Aopenstack+label%3Aneeds_triage
18:09:25 <akasurde> mnaser is leading the OpenStack triage
18:09:29 <akasurde> #openfloor
18:14:13 <akasurde> Closing meeting since OpenStack Triage is going on
18:14:17 <akasurde> #endmeeting