04:00:47 #startmeeting 04:00:47 Meeting started Sat Oct 4 04:00:47 2014 UTC. The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:47 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:01:08 #meetingname apac-20141004 04:01:08 The meeting name has been set to 'apac-20141004' 04:01:18 #topic Roll call 04:02:06 #info This is an irregular meeting to decide fund support for some last-minute people to attend APAC FAD Phnom Penh 04:02:30 #info Topic: Announcements 04:02:41 #info Topic: Tickets 04:02:48 #info Topic: Open Floor 04:04:00 .fas somvannda 04:04:00 somvannda: somvannda 'Kong Somvannda' 04:04:07 .hellomynameis kushal 04:04:08 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 04:04:29 .fas siddhesh 04:04:29 siddhesh: siddhesh 'Siddhesh Poyarekar' 04:04:30 .fas tuanta 04:04:32 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:04:36 .fas nangthang 04:04:37 nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' 04:04:41 #chair somvannda kushal siddhesh nangthang 04:04:41 Current chairs: kushal nangthang siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:04:41 .fas alick 04:04:42 alick: alick 'Zhao Tao' - walicki 'John Walicki' - patrikskalicky 'Patrik Skalicky' - sakodak 'Jason Balicki' - mskalick 'Marek Skalický' - alickee '' - drako 'Stefan Palicki' 04:04:50 #chair alick 04:04:50 Current chairs: alick kushal nangthang siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:04:57 alick, use .hellomynameis command 04:05:03 lol 04:06:45 .hellomynameis rtnpro 04:06:46 rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' 04:06:50 .hellomynameis alick 04:06:51 tuanta: alick 'Zhao Tao' 04:06:53 :) 04:07:03 .fas rtnpro 04:07:05 rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' 04:07:06 tuanta, :) 04:07:11 cool :) 04:07:20 #topic Announcements 04:07:33 I have got some important/interesting announcements first 04:07:41 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-October/202995.html 04:07:44 :) 04:08:23 #info a new governance model is being discussed in Fedora board 04:08:48 and 04:08:56 #info Fedora 21 if in progress 04:09:17 those are for people who do not follow the mailing lists much 04:09:27 #chair Orca-Krilozona 04:09:27 Current chairs: Orca-Krilozona alick kushal nangthang siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:09:43 tuanta, rtnpro is also an ambassador from India 04:09:44 then now, we can go into our main topic 04:09:46 old one 04:09:58 #chair rtnpro 04:09:58 Current chairs: Orca-Krilozona alick kushal nangthang rtnpro siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:10:02 hello rtnpro 04:10:06 tuanta, I have one information to share. 04:10:12 #chair gnokii_ 04:10:12 Current chairs: Orca-Krilozona alick gnokii_ kushal nangthang rtnpro siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:10:15 #chair pravins 04:10:15 Current chairs: Orca-Krilozona alick gnokii_ kushal nangthang pravins rtnpro siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:10:37 * kushal will be joining in the Fedora team as Fedora cloud engineer next week. 04:10:42 I am really interested in seeing a lot of people join to our meeting 04:10:44 tuanta: it is so interesting 04:10:46 hi tuanta 04:10:52 kushal: congrats :) glad to here that 04:10:55 kushal: cool, congrats 04:11:11 kushal, why not this week? :) 04:11:15 pravins, somvannda Thanks :) 04:11:22 #topic Tickets 04:11:24 tuanta, Durga Puja in Bengal. 04:11:24 tuanta: because of tickets? lol 04:11:32 .hellomynameis rtnpro 04:11:34 rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' 04:11:49 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 04:12:36 last week, we put the Indian attendance to FAD in delay 04:13:01 at that time, we have a fund request from niteshnarayanlal 04:13:13 ticket #147 04:13:25 now we have another one from siddhesh #153 04:13:38 fasinfo niteshnarayanlal 04:13:42 .fasinfo niteshnarayanlal 04:13:43 tuanta: User: niteshnarayanlal, Name: nitesh narayan lal, email: niteshnarayanlal@hotmail.com, Creation: 2011-01-31, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: inactive 04:13:46 .fasinfo siddhesh 04:13:46 tuanta: Approved Groups: cla_fedora 04:13:49 tuanta: User: siddhesh, Name: Siddhesh Poyarekar, email: spoyarek@redhat.com, Creation: 2009-05-28, IRC Nick: siddhesh, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: F1CF2187, Status: active 04:13:52 tuanta: Approved Groups: ambassadors cla_fedora cla_done cla_redhat fedorabugs triagers packager 04:14:04 tuanta, siddhesh was part of FUDCON pune organizer team 04:14:08 now we need to choose one of them to fund to FAD 04:14:38 AFAICS, siddhesh is a long time contributor 04:14:58 he starts Fedora work in 2009 04:15:02 tuanta, Yes and he understand budgets and events more than many of us. 04:15:12 niteshnarayanlal starts in 2011 04:15:30 tuanta, starting year does not matter in that way (at least I think) 04:15:40 and surprisingly, I see niteshnarayanlal is not in ambassadors group 04:15:45 +1 kushal 04:16:02 .fasinfo niteshnarayanlal 04:16:03 tuanta: User: niteshnarayanlal, Name: nitesh narayan lal, email: niteshnarayanlal@hotmail.com, Creation: 2011-01-31, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: inactive 04:16:04 tuanta, but siddhesh is more into community events in India 04:16:06 tuanta: Approved Groups: cla_fedora 04:16:33 maybe not this fas? the status says inactive :( 04:16:36 thanks kushal for your information 04:16:46 alick, maybe! 04:16:53 I an not sure. Let us chekc more 04:17:11 .fasinfo niteshnarayan 04:17:12 tuanta: User: niteshnarayan, Name: nitesh narayan lal, email: niteshnarayanlalleo@gmail.com, Creation: 2011-02-26, IRC Nick: niteshnarayanlal, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: E89D 2F27 87A8 590A 7471 DD36 60B6 7CFA 0C2D E22A, Status: active 04:17:15 tuanta: Approved Groups: fedorabugs packager @videos freemedia designteam ambassadors cla_fpca cla_done marketing cla_fedora 04:17:17 yes, that's it 04:17:41 and it shows he is in Ambassadors group 04:17:49 sorry for my previous mistake 04:18:05 back to our work now 04:18:48 I think we need more experienced people at FAD, especially ones who done more events/activities and more familiar with budget 04:19:05 kushal can not make it to PP 04:19:08 tuanta: +1 04:19:17 then we have got 2 candidates now 04:19:56 tuanta, lets just vote if you want to 04:20:18 that is coming back to the point. 04:20:18 i prefer vote rather than explains because people might think this and that.. 04:20:22 it is not all about money, but I prefer to support siddhesh too (his flight is cheaper, as in their ticket) 04:20:39 ok, lets vote 04:20:48 but before that, I think people may have some questions, ideas 04:20:52 siddhesh: good, if you can update ticket with latest prices as of today :) 04:21:01 pravins: lol 04:21:02 then you can frely share them before we go into that vote 04:21:21 s/frely/freely 04:21:37 * siddhesh looks up latest prices on cleartrip 04:21:44 Okay, who all are in favor of siddhesh to represent India in the FAD? please give plus one. 04:21:47 +1 04:21:56 +1 04:21:57 I shared my thoughts above. any more thoughts from others? 04:22:09 +1 for siddhesh 04:22:13 +1 04:22:34 anyone else wants to vote? 04:22:37 +1 04:22:42 +1 04:22:46 +1 04:22:59 +1 from me too. 04:23:16 anyone else? 04:23:35 Okay, that is +8 as it seems. 04:23:44 do I need to do a +1 for the record? 04:23:45 However, we are welcome Nitesh to join (this vote is just for fund support, not for some kind of permissions for them to attend FAD) 04:24:16 siddhesh, Nope, you are abstain to this one :) 04:24:24 :) 04:24:25 tuanta, Yup, thanks. 04:24:30 Okay, who all are in favor of Nitesh to represent India in the FAD? please give plus one. 04:24:55 #agreed Approved travel subsidy for siddhesh to FAD Phnom Penh (ticket #153) 04:25:02 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/153 04:25:10 tuanta: we havent vote for Nitesh yet :D 04:25:28 I think we should choose one of them, not two 04:25:55 at least to make this fair and lets see who got most votes. I don't want to upset anyone. :( 04:25:56 tuanta, Yes, just for record I asked for a vote, it seems the answer is zero. 04:26:03 somvannda, Yes. 04:26:27 FAD funds should be used to support for one from/per country 04:26:38 tuanta, Yup. 04:26:58 others are welcome too. But we can support travel for one. 04:28:16 so everyone agreed -1 for Nitesh ticket? I would want to make sure 04:28:26 unless, we have some special reasons to support another person from the same country 04:28:46 somvannda, we are like 0 on him. 04:28:57 fyi, flight cost is mostly unchanged for me. the most convenient and cheap flight combo is at INR 29,981 ($487 approx.) 04:29:16 tuanta, you can go ahead with the meeting. 04:29:19 thanks siddhesh. You should purchase it asap 04:29:24 kushal: ok :) so we can approve siddhesh ticket officially now 04:29:27 thanks kushal :) 04:30:02 tuanta: ok 04:30:03 siddhesh: please go for your ticket asap. 04:30:18 #agreed Not approved for travel subsidy for Nitesh to FAD (ticket #147) 04:30:41 #action tuanta to update status of tickets #147 and #153 04:30:57 we still have one more ticket right tuanta? 04:31:12 with "meeting" keyword: no 04:31:32 I don't see any more tickets with "meeting" keyword set (just Polo Shirts) 04:31:41 tuanta: #151 04:31:59 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/154 04:32:10 for Orca-Krilozona 04:32:21 Yes tuanta my late ticket. 04:32:26 thanks somvannda 04:32:40 pravins, next times, you should set it a "meeting" keyword if you want it to be discussed during the meeting 04:32:46 Orca-Krilozona too 04:33:14 acknowledged. tuanta. 04:33:38 Orca-Krilozona, you will travel from which city? 04:33:47 From Myanmar tuanta 04:33:47 #topic Ticket #154 04:33:56 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/154 04:34:06 Orca-Krilozona, city, please 04:34:14 Yangon tuanta 04:34:36 we did not discussed last time, since i was not mentioned any specific budget requirement for same. 04:34:53 Orca-Krilozona, have you tried to look for the best/cheapeast route? 04:35:31 Yes, tuanta i googled it before. And here agent says 397 will be the cheapest. 04:36:07 And coz of unstable local exchange from USD to MMK rate i made it 400 04:36:37 yes, I see 04:37:02 in between i also talked with local Pune, India vendor he suggested INR404 as a price 04:37:12 for Fedora Polo T-shirt 04:37:53 pravins, wait for your ticket, right now we are discussing #154 (see topic) 04:38:20 pravins, how many T-Shirts do you plan to print? 04:38:36 rtnpro, please discuss it at the time of that 151 ticket. 04:38:44 kushal, ok 04:38:47 kushal: my mistake, i lost connection in between. 04:38:59 pravins, No issues. 04:39:16 tuanta: how much left in the travel budget of FAD PP? 04:39:37 about $800, I think. We need recalculate it 04:40:10 I want to have some reserve for last-minute person :) 04:40:23 you know, we have some VIP like KageSenshi :)_ 04:40:56 he has not confirmed yet, but it is really good to have a CC holder in budget planning FAD 04:41:29 Orca-Krilozona, I am just curious if we have any cheaper flights 04:41:36 so now is time to vote 04:41:41 yes that is reasonable 04:41:53 +1 to #154 04:42:20 tuanta, yea, so far, there will be no cheaper one coz here got no direct flight and gotta transit at BKK. 04:42:59 understood, Orca-Krilozona 04:43:50 +1 for Orca-Krilozona 04:44:22 +1 from me too 04:45:19 +1 since it's her fist time to attend FAD 04:45:20 and others? nangthang siddhesh rtnpro pravins 04:45:20 fyi, flight booked. final cost is INR 30281 ($492 approx) 04:45:44 vote for ticket #154, please 04:45:49 tuanta, +1 04:45:51 * rtnpro has no opinion on this 04:46:00 * siddhesh reads through the chat log 04:46:08 * Orca-Krilozona is male nangthang :D 04:46:28 +1 from me :) 04:47:03 +1 04:47:55 +1 (looks good to me) 04:48:05 +1 04:48:26 #agreed Approved travel subsidy request to FAD from Orca-Krilozona (ticket #154) 04:48:40 Thank you guys ^^ 04:48:42 #action tuanta to update the status of ticket #154 04:48:52 Orca-Krilozona, you are welcome. See you there :) 04:49:05 Now #151 04:49:12 Orca-Krilozona, but one more thing: do you need a visa to Cambodia? 04:49:18 tuanta: i will work on recalculation and update on wiki page 04:49:26 thanks somvannda 04:49:30 tuanta: no i dont think he needs 04:49:35 please mark it as an action for you :) 04:49:40 I updated #151 with meeting keyword. 04:49:57 #action somvannda to update travel budget left on wiki page 04:49:59 thanks kushal 04:50:04 tuanta, here http://www.projectvisa.com/visainformation/Cambodia it says we can visit without visa. 04:50:18 Orca-Krilozona, cool :) 04:50:23 :D 04:50:27 #topic Ticket #151 04:50:41 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/151 04:50:42 pravins, do you want to say something about the event? 04:50:55 and what kind of audience you are expecting? 04:51:02 kushal: yes, this is event around language computing 04:51:26 we have audience as a number of participants from different languages 04:51:56 This is second time it is happening. 04:52:07 pravins, from different companies who are working on language technologies, correct? 04:52:25 kushal: yes, one is specifically government 04:52:27 CDAC 04:53:15 i have seen, people use different platform for language computing stuff, we have proposed workshop on "Fedora: Language computing delight" 04:53:37 pravins, +1 04:54:05 In this we will demonstrate how Fedora is better for language computing and distributing T-shirt after this to attendees even further help to promote Brand 04:54:30 Do anyone have any question? or else we can just vote. 04:54:54 pravins et all. I think we need some ways to produce T-shirt as well as other swag in mass 04:55:09 pravins, regarding T-Shirts, what's the cost for print a T-Shirt? 04:55:26 rtnpro, he already said that, 404 :) 04:55:27 s/print/printing 04:55:45 rtnpro: i talked with local Pune vendor, it is INR 404 including taxes. But i think emboss for "l10n delight" can cost more 04:55:48 it does not make sense to spend $200 for 20 T-shirt (it may cost a half if we can produce them in massive way - approx 200 pieces or more) 04:55:50 kushal, pravins, it's cheaper than the printing cost in Bangalore :\ 04:56:01 kushal and pravins: I am still new to Fedora and i am not involve much in such programming language, but can you please explain how Fedora is better for language computing? what is the language are you talking about? 04:56:07 rtnpro, complete different qualities. 04:56:38 somvannda: i think pravins talks about human languages and translations. 04:56:53 alick, +1 04:57:00 I don't see the point in distributing t-shirts. how about distributing media instead? 04:57:03 somvannda: sure, we have all major fonts, IME, latest rendering engine, CLDR and application required for translation including pedit, lokalize 04:57:08 +1 alick. it is about i18n team 04:57:18 pravins: i think you should come up with a budget plan first. 04:57:28 * tuanta is still in curious 04:57:57 I prefer to have a strategy to produce T-shirts and swag in mass 04:58:00 alick, He came up with tshirt prices. 04:58:05 siddhesh: i think we should distribute T-shirt, since it will promote Fedora name. 04:58:07 tuanta, +1 04:58:30 tuanta: i do agree, if we have that in place that will be great. 04:58:32 pravins: thanks, I thought you were talking about programming languages. 04:58:42 somvannda: welcome :) 04:58:44 404INR = 6.7 USD? 04:58:54 i have no problem with this i will give +1 for this :D 04:58:55 somvannda, :) 04:59:24 pravins: so would media IMO. t-shirts for fuel speakers on the other hadn might not be a bad idea. 04:59:32 s/hadn/hand 05:00:35 pravins, I would suggest, lets get the names of the fedora participants/speakers who will be there 05:00:44 and print those tshirts 05:01:05 kushal: nice idea. 05:01:07 rather than giving to the crowd. 05:01:14 * tuanta rather put this request in pending while discuss the wider strategy to produce T-shirts and Swag in massive way 05:01:43 pravins, Please come up with the list of Fedora speakers in the list and we can do that in the next week's meeting. 05:02:05 tuanta, I would want this one to get approved with a new list as this is for a special event. 05:02:15 kushal: sure 05:02:24 Targeting i18n and l10n community. 05:02:24 and it is good to know the total budget requested before voting. 05:02:46 alick, pravins has a budget, we just need to get the new one. 05:02:52 i see the event is not listed in yearly budget plan. 05:02:58 pravins: I may have misread your ticket. I thought you wrote 200 tshirts, but now I see that it is $200 05:03:07 and just 20 t-shirts 05:03:13 siddhesh, :D 05:03:50 i agreed with tuanta 05:03:51 kushal: ah i see , it is in the comment #1. 05:03:58 sorry didn't see that. 05:04:19 alick, what? 05:04:40 alick, you meant this: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/151#comment:1 ? 05:04:49 tuanta: yes. 05:05:02 tuanta: i did not find it, so thought pravins did not make a budget. 05:05:14 sorry for the misunderstanding. 05:05:22 alick: no problem :) 05:05:26 that's alright, a 05:06:07 so, what's up now? 05:06:17 need more information input or just go voting? 05:06:44 tuanta, He will come up with a new list of Fedora speakers in the event. 05:07:00 pravins, dates of the event? 05:07:05 14-15 November 05:07:35 tuanta: i think lets have discussion on T-shirt producing strategy may be in next meeting? 05:07:56 Okay,. that means enough time. 05:08:00 pravins, that's good 05:08:17 pravins, tuanta Then we can approve it next week's meeting. 05:08:18 pravins: so how can you attend FAD remotely? 05:08:27 but I prefer to have some volunteer to write it up in advance 05:08:39 tuanta, pravins will do it. 05:08:41 we can not discuss on nothing 05:08:58 cool, kushal 05:09:02 somvannda: good question, i think i need to check timings. FUELGILT is 1 and half day event 05:09:47 we also need you too to attend the FAD remotely, so please find a better date 05:10:04 somvannda, +1 05:10:44 somvannda: thanks, i will try my best :) 05:10:52 somvannda, FUELGILT dates can not be changed as far as I understand 05:10:56 pravins, will manage 05:11:04 kushal: sure. 05:11:52 pravins: in that case, maybe you can work with siddhesh in advance for the budget planning 05:11:53 sorry guys I'm late 05:12:09 somvannda, Yes, we will do that before only from India, 05:12:11 !chair botreynisa 05:12:30 #chair botreynisa 05:12:30 Current chairs: Orca-Krilozona alick botreynisa gnokii_ kushal nangthang pravins rtnpro siddhesh somvannda tuanta 05:12:33 somvannda: yes, that is in plan 05:12:37 somvannda: yes, in fact the plan is to have *all* of us plan in advance 05:12:47 sorry wrong command lol 05:13:11 good, so that will be a long list from India. Cool i love to see that 05:13:33 * siddhesh definitely hopes so :) 05:13:41 i supposed everyone knows botreynisa, she is also a FAD event organizer from Cambodia :) 05:14:36 hi botreynisa, nice to see you meeting :) 05:14:39 hello botreynisa o/ 05:14:43 Hmm... I guess I am too quiet :/ 05:14:48 botreynisa o/ 05:15:12 Hi pravins and Orca-Krilozona and siddhesh 05:15:21 anyway, is there anything to discuss? 05:15:24 botreynisa, I hope I met you during fossasia 05:15:24 kushal, pravins: we have discussed enough on ticket #151? 05:15:29 hi botreynisa 05:15:35 tuanta, yes, delayed till next week. 05:15:39 tuanta: yes, lets move ahead 05:15:42 ok 05:15:45 Yes kushal we had met before :) 05:15:47 #topic Open Floor 05:16:11 now is time to make friend with one of women ambassadors in APAC :) 05:16:14 Hi alick! 05:16:22 lol 05:16:24 tuanta, What is the time for next FUDCON APAC? 05:16:39 oh, my fault 05:16:46 tuanta, yup. 05:16:51 I want it to be discussed to day too 05:16:57 kushal: seemed like everyone wants to do in Phnom Penh 05:17:01 but now is it over an hour 05:17:10 we can do that on the mailing list too 05:17:21 somvannda, We, the India team will also bid for next FUDCON 05:17:34 i see. 05:17:36 somvannda, but we should open it for everyone to bid 05:17:36 cool! 05:17:49 yeah, of course tuanta 05:17:56 kushal +1. maybe, Vietnamese team either :) 05:18:00 kushal: +1 :) 05:18:12 More than anything else we have a good number of upstream contributors and it will be cheaper to fly them to another country. 05:18:19 I prefer to have a few options then we can choose the best one 05:18:27 s/to/than 05:18:32 tuanta, Yes. 05:18:46 yes, kushal. that is one of your big advantages 05:19:04 lets see. 05:19:09 tuanta, and we already did one fudcon before. 05:19:12 I will send a call for bidding next week 05:19:20 yes, I know, in Pune 05:19:26 it missed that :( 05:19:48 #action tuanta to send a call for FUDCon APAC bidding next week 05:19:58 This time we are looking at other venues too within the country where FOSS upstream work is encouraged. 05:20:28 I hate to say, but at the last FUDCon, time is too tight 05:20:35 alick, you should agree 05:20:50 tuanta: yes 05:20:51 we have just little time to prepare for it 05:21:06 we had to act very hard near the event 05:21:07 tuanta, I want to move it to the Nov if possible 05:21:26 kushal: too quick :( 05:21:30 however, it was successful. Thanks all your efforts, Chinese team :) 05:21:35 somvannda, 2015 :) 05:21:44 kushal: you meant the announcement? 05:21:52 kushal, we can propose that idea 05:21:59 somvannda, Nope, next year's FUDCON APAC 05:22:06 somvannda, 2014 we already had one. 05:22:13 tuanta, yes. 05:22:27 kushal: i mean the call for bidding should postpone to Nov, you mean? 05:22:27