04:00:05 #startmeeting 04:00:05 Meeting started Sat Sep 27 04:00:05 2014 UTC. The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:17 #meetingname apac 04:00:18 The meeting name has been set to 'apac' 04:00:26 #topic Roll call 04:00:28 .fasinfo sarupbanskota 04:00:29 .fas tuanta 04:00:30 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:00:42 remove a blank, banas :) 04:00:49 .fas mohanprakash 04:00:50 mpduty: mohanprakash 'Mohan Prakash' 04:00:54 hi 04:00:59 oops, thanks tuanta 04:01:07 .fasinfo sarupbanskota 04:01:08 banas: User: sarupbanskota, Name: Sarup Banskota, email: sbanskota08@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-03-28, IRC Nick: banas, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active 04:01:11 banas: Unapproved Groups: summer-coding 04:01:14 banas: Approved Groups: ambassadors designteam cla_done cla_fpca 04:01:15 .fas siddhesh 04:01:21 siddhesh: siddhesh 'Siddhesh Poyarekar' 04:02:01 ooh, I'm still unapproved in summer-coding :D 04:02:14 #info Topic: Tickets https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 04:02:25 #chair banas siddhesh 04:02:25 Current chairs: banas siddhesh tuanta 04:02:32 .fas pravins 04:02:33 pravins: pravinsp 'Pravin Patil' - pravins 'Pravin Satpute' - pravinshinde 'Pravin Changdeo Shinde' 04:02:35 hi siddhesh. welcome on board 04:02:58 yep, good to see you at the meeting! :) 04:03:26 hi tuanta 04:03:30 tuanta: thanks :) 04:03:40 #chair pravins 04:03:40 Current chairs: banas pravins siddhesh tuanta 04:03:49 pravins too :) 04:04:28 kushal is supposed to have a keynote right now - if it starts at the right time, that is 04:07:18 ok, lets move to the main topic 04:07:38 #topic APAC FAD Phnom Penh 2014 04:07:39 .fas somvannda 04:07:40 somvannda: somvannda 'Kong Somvannda' 04:07:45 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/shirts 04:07:53 sorry 04:07:57 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014 04:08:23 thanks somvannda and gnokii_ for preparing it 04:08:40 it has been almost perfect now :) 04:09:01 this is really nice https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FAD_phnompenh.png 04:09:22 your welcome tuanta 04:09:29 gnokii_, you created it? 04:10:13 tuanta: I guess registration means adding oneself in the list 04:10:14 today we will review and decide travel subsidies for all people 04:10:35 correct, mpduty 04:11:28 amita: here's the badge on trac https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/290 04:11:40 thanks banas 04:11:50 but first, everyone, please join to welcome two new Fedora ambassadors in India: siddhesh and pravins 04:11:58 oh so it is Marie 04:12:00 #chair somvannda 04:12:00 Current chairs: banas pravins siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:12:15 #chair gnokii_ 04:12:15 Current chairs: banas gnokii_ pravins siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:12:54 o/ 04:13:07 welcome siddhesh and pravins 04:13:15 welcome siddhesh and pravins :) 04:13:36 wow, there are 12 people registered, 2 hosts, 4 remotes then we have got 6 travel subsidy requests 04:13:58 yep, that's quite some tickets! 04:13:59 #145 has been solved 04:14:07 there are 5 ones left 04:14:13 we haven't had that many in one meeting for a while ;) 04:14:14 thank you somvannda, amita 04:14:26 thanks tuanta somvannda banas amita 04:14:33 #chair gnokii 04:14:33 Current chairs: banas gnokii gnokii_ pravins siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:15:19 tuanta, is there any specific order predefined, we gonna take tickets? 04:15:26 * pravins happy to see 3 active ambassador from Pune /me siddhesh and amita 04:15:39 I see there are representatives of Cambodia, Vietnam, India, China, Sri Lanka and EMEA 04:15:54 pravins, :) 04:15:58 .fasinfo amita 04:15:59 tuanta: User: amita, Name: Amita Prabhu, email: amitaprabhu@tropmet.res.in, Creation: 2008-09-22, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: inactive 04:16:02 tuanta: Approved Groups: None 04:16:23 .fasinfo amsharma 04:16:25 amita: User: amsharma, Name: Amita Sharma, email: amsharma@redhat.com, Creation: 2011-08-31, IRC Nick: , Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active 04:16:28 amita: Approved Groups: fedorabugs marketing magazine qa cla_fpca cla_done 04:16:36 tuanta, it is amsharma 04:16:44 ah, I see. thanks amita 04:16:45 pravins, actually, amita has not been sponsored to ambassadors group yet 04:17:25 before we can go through tickets I would like to have some brief information 04:17:26 tuanta: sorry i missed that, take it as a active users from Pune :) 04:17:50 yeah pravins tuanta my ticket confusion between two mentors 04:17:57 the main goal of this FAD is to make budget plan for APAC in the next FY 2016 04:18:48 we prefer to have experienced ambassadors to join, especially who did make plan in the previous years 04:19:21 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014#Purpose 04:19:42 and 04:19:47 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014#Important_skills_.28for_participants.29 04:20:04 in case, iy 04:20:09 it's relevant here 04:20:13 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget:2015 04:20:42 of course, we are welcome every newbies for fresh ideas 04:21:03 * siddhesh would like to attend remotely if that's possible 04:21:10 yes, siddhesh 04:21:13 based on the wiki page, it does look like it's possible 04:21:24 please add yourself into the attendees list 04:21:29 just to listen in if nothing else 04:21:47 then now, we will review travel subsidy tickets, one by one 04:21:49 ok? 04:22:09 #topic Ticket #143 04:22:16 .apacticket 143 04:22:37 oh, it does not work :) 04:23:00 the ticket owner is amsharma / amita 04:23:08 tuanta, yes 04:23:27 any one has got any questions? 04:24:00 I have one - at this FAD, is there slots allocated for talks? 04:24:10 nope 04:24:13 nope 04:24:45 no. I meant you can talk, banas. but there may be no one listen to you :) 04:24:53 lol. sorry, banas :) 04:24:57 my concern is amita is not an ambassador yet, then she is quite far to be an experienced ambassador 04:25:19 handle other tickets first see whats left then 04:25:30 gnokii, good idea. 04:25:34 +1 gnokii 04:25:35 yeh, but her ticket seems to indicate she wants to take a session, hence the question 04:25:44 tuanta, but skills says https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014#Important_skills_.28for_participants.29 04:25:50 t we encourage people who are new but really active 04:26:37 amita: there is another page where is written you are not allowed to do an ticket ;) 04:26:53 tuanta, lets discuss it and close it if not relevant 04:27:03 gnokii, which page ? 04:27:15 heh gnokii I got it 04:27:27 yes, amita. but first, sorry, you should be an ambassador 04:27:50 you are still welcome there, of course. 04:28:06 tuanta, I thought contribution counts 04:28:08 thanks gnokii to point that out 04:28:14 and willingness too 04:28:19 * pravins would also like to participate remotely specifically for budgets and deciding activities in FY16 04:28:54 amita, this FAD is for Ambassadors to make budget plan (a main duty of ambassadors) 04:28:56 tuanta, I don't know whether its proper for me to say, but if the budget allows isn't it good to support someone who is very active and close to being an ambassador like Amita? 04:29:28 tuanta, and it is just that my ticket is in confusion between two mentors 04:29:38 and you were in loop, you are aware 04:29:51 still if you say it is just the title works here 04:30:13 then we can close it right now rather wait and close it at the end :) 04:30:14 mpduty, budget could be used for that, of course. but not for to this FAD. That's what I meant 04:31:00 mpduty, because of the main goal of this FAD. Does it make sense? 04:31:21 ^ because it was brought up at the allocation meeting, that FADs are meant for various purposes, this one specifically for an ambassador's activity: the budget. 04:31:28 amita: you could always attend remotely 04:31:28 tuanta, I am getting your point 04:31:46 siddhesh: +1 04:31:50 I think it is best to back to this special case at the end 04:31:58 we have some more tickets to review 04:32:00 amita: we've done sessions remotely in the past too (like fedora-classroom), so I'm sure we could manage something like that 04:32:06 I think handling it last is fair isnt it? 04:32:09 +1 siddhesh either 04:32:47 ok, lets move on, then we will back to it later 04:32:57 yeah, i think we should look into amita's ticket later. 04:33:04 fine 04:33:22 #topic Ticket #148 04:33:26 it is mine 04:33:39 I really want to be there in person 04:34:14 I did annual plan mostly alone for years :) 04:34:45 any questions? 04:34:55 to me, i have no objection to your ticket, since you are one of the co-organizer for this FAD and you have been involved for many years, so we need your support. 04:35:14 you'd be a great value add to the FAD, so +1. 04:35:24 +1 04:35:33 +1 04:35:35 +1 04:35:36 +1 04:36:12 what others think? 04:36:36 ping niteshnarayanlal gnokii 04:36:43 #chair niteshnarayanlal 04:36:43 Current chairs: banas gnokii gnokii_ niteshnarayanlal pravins siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:36:53 +1 04:37:00 .fas nangthang 04:37:01 nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' 04:37:10 +1 from me too (for recording) 04:37:13 I have to do some work, so I come late 04:37:19 hi nangthang :) 04:37:32 we're currently going over tuanta's FAD ticket 04:37:50 thanks for your infomation 04:38:02 #agree Approved tuanta's ticket #148 04:38:27 please chair nangthang 04:38:29 #action tuanta to change the ticket #148 keyword to "approved" 04:38:34 #chair nangthang 04:38:34 Current chairs: banas gnokii gnokii_ nangthang niteshnarayanlal pravins siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:38:36 .fas niteshnarayan 04:38:37 niteshnarayanlal: niteshnarayanlal 'nitesh narayan lal' - niteshnarayan 'nitesh narayan lal' 04:38:41 somvannda, you can do that too 04:38:55 #chair niteshnarayanlal 04:38:55 Current chairs: banas gnokii gnokii_ nangthang niteshnarayanlal pravins siddhesh somvannda tuanta 04:38:58 really? 04:39:13 #topic Ticket #150 04:39:16 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/150 04:39:17 ok next 04:39:46 it belongs to Danishka from Sri Lanka 04:39:59 but he is currently living in Singapore 04:40:06 he currently lives in Singapore, but he travels back and forth between two countries 04:40:37 tuanta: do you know how often he travel back and forth? 04:40:58 once per 6 months or something 04:41:02 he told me that 04:41:24 somvannda, I am just curious whether we can find a cheaper flight for him? 04:41:37 according to the ticket it's 6 months out of the last 18 months, which means a third of his time 04:41:59 tuanta: yeah, i dont think he need more than 150$ for his return flight. we can buy in advance, so the flight is cheap 04:42:00 thanks siddhesh 04:42:20 somvannda, have you got reference now? 04:42:26 a quick one, I think 04:42:41 tuanta: about the ticket? 04:42:54 yes,a cheap ticket 04:43:46 i checked yesterday, it was less than 120$ from Phnom Penh to SG (return trip) 04:44:07 which airlines? 04:44:10 so i think it would be cost the same from SG to Phnom Penh with airasia 04:44:16 we can note that into the ticket 04:44:28 its right now 140 with Malaysia airlines 04:44:39 good, thanks gnokii 04:45:39 in general, I have no objection on this ticket 04:46:03 just want to have the best saving 04:46:33 I will vote a tentatively agree right now 04:47:23 then we can finish the vote on the ticket directly when we have a more exact flight fare 04:47:49 i am uploading the image of the airticket 04:48:23 somvannda: how much is it? 04:48:26 #info Malaysian Airlines just $140 for return ticket Singapore - Phnom Penh 04:48:26 http://i62.tinypic.com/2igmatj.jpg 04:48:29 130$ 04:48:35 somvannda: nice !! 04:48:42 jetstar 04:49:09 #info and it costs $130 at Jetstar 04:49:22 round trip ;) 04:49:32 so my idea is we can vote for his attendance in general first here 04:49:52 everything, but flight cost 04:49:58 is that fair enough? 04:50:22 +1 tuanta 04:50:35 btw, Jetstar is a Vietnamese airlines :) 04:50:38 if we look into his reply on his ticket, he can always contribute to Sri Lanka when he is there 04:50:50 yes, somvannda 04:51:01 so I have no objection for his request with 130$ roundtrip 04:51:19 ! 04:51:28 go ahead, gnokii 04:51:30 we have to buy cheap ticket, so we can afford more people. 04:51:40 yes, somvannda 04:51:46 gnokii: please 04:52:08 just agree on the sum in the ticket, it makes no sense to look now for tickets and later they are more expensive, make a not in the ticket andthats it 04:52:09 eof 04:53:09 so once the ticket approved, can somebody with cc work with him to buy his ticket immediately? 04:53:27 proposal: approve ticket #150 with the support amount is not more than $150 04:53:42 if you agree with that, we can vote now 04:53:52 +1 from myself, for recording 04:54:25 +1 tuanta 04:54:45 +1 04:55:03 +1 If ticket owners book tickets ASAP to avoid further cost overhead 04:55:16 ping gnokii banas niteshnarayanlal siddhesh 04:55:18 +1 agree with pravins 04:55:25 after approval :) 04:55:46 sry been off and on due to work 04:55:58 please vote on my proposal or make another one if you see there is a better choice 04:56:04 +1 except that instead of the cost cap, I'd go for 'cheapest available flights booked asap' 04:56:27 ok, we can do that asap, siddhesh 04:56:37 ok, thanks for supporting my proposal 04:56:56 #agree approve ticket #150 with the support amount is not more than $150 04:57:30 #action somvannda and tuanta to add more information about cheap flights to the ticket #150 04:57:45 ok. next please :D 04:57:50 #topic Ticket # 149 04:57:54 +1 04:57:58 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/149 04:58:22 i will give him details 04:58:48 I see the flight from Beijing to Phnom Penh is not very cheap 04:58:58 but Alick is an active ambassador in China 04:59:18 agree 04:59:23 he chairs Chinese ambassadors meetings 04:59:33 we should try for him 04:59:53 he also contributed much to budget plan last two years 05:00:12 I support to have him in Phnom Penh in person 05:01:19 * pravins not understanding Fedora 21 is going to be release on 02 Dec 2014 and how release party is organized on November 14, 2014 :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F21_Phnom_Penh https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/Schedule 05:01:52 I have done some quick search then I see there are some cheaper flights too :) 05:02:19 yeah 410$ with CSA 05:02:23 tuanta: yes, it will be good to have one active ambassador from each region in meeting!! 05:02:30 +1 pravins 05:03:27 yes, gnokii 05:03:28 tuanta: maybe we can talk to him to search for a cheaper flight? 05:03:49 yes, somvannda. similar to Danishka 05:04:00 it is also fair enough to all of us 05:04:15 ok 05:04:27 * banas lost connection 05:04:38 my roundtrip ticket to Beijing was about 480$ 05:05:10 So my proposal (again): Approve ticket #149 with the support amount is not more than $450 05:05:32 .fas snavin 05:05:33 hanthana: snavin 'Danishka Navin' 05:05:34 I am not sure about the number, but I see the cheapest one is just $403 05:06:08 but there is only one ticket left 05:06:19 tuanta: +1 05:06:35 can we make it to 480$ in case the ticket is more expensive? 05:06:39 maybe we should talk to him and close this asap 05:07:09 thats ok, somvannda 05:07:14 niteshnarayanlal: +1 05:07:14 to avoid further raise 05:07:22 proposal (again): Approve ticket #149 with the support amount is not more than $480 05:07:24 why not just skip the cap and instead work on getting the cheapest ticket as soon as possible? 05:07:27 +1 from me 05:08:03 yes, it would be the best way. But we need him + izhar (cc holder) here to process it, siddhesh2 05:08:13 \o 05:08:14 siddhesh2: yes and that with maximum budget 05:08:27 hehe, thanks for your present, KageSenshi :) 05:08:34 +1 on alick's ticket 05:08:49 :D 05:09:02 you have a lot of work after this meeting, KageSenshi 05:09:04 :) 05:09:12 *scrolls up* 05:09:30 but AFAICS, tour card is out of limit 05:09:36 s/tour/our 05:09:55 so I prefer people to buy their ticket themselves asap 05:10:01 then get reimbursement later 05:10:10 tuanta: +1 05:10:14 yeah .. reached limit for this month .. 05:10:23 please vote on my proposal 05:10:36 ping gnokii siddhesh2 niteshnarayanlal hanthana banas 05:10:40 +1 05:10:41 #chair hanthana 05:10:41 Current chairs: banas gnokii gnokii_ hanthana nangthang niteshnarayanlal pravins siddhesh somvannda tuanta 05:10:43 +1 05:10:48 i already voted 05:10:51 and you, KageSenshi please vote 05:10:51 +1 05:10:56 i think theres about usd200-300 left at most .. if its small amount i can still reimburse 05:11:05 but not above that 05:11:07 +1 05:11:08 KageSenshi, a good news :) 05:11:23 #agree Approve ticket #149 with the support amount is not more than $480 05:12:04 #action somvannda to change the ticket status and also add a note to the ticket that he should process to buy his ticket asap 05:12:12 ok, next? 05:12:30 tuanta: just query on Fedora release party 05:12:50 sorry, pravins. Please let it discussed later. OK? 05:12:56 tuanta: sure 05:13:03 #topic Ticket #147 05:13:14 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/147 05:13:16 voted +1 05:13:21 it belongs to niteshnarayanlal 05:15:05 niteshnarayanlal, I am not sure if you have experience in budget planning for your country? 05:15:25 i just rechecked the cheapest is worth of 506 USD 05:15:31 you have not involved to the planning process in the last two years 05:15:33 not yet 05:15:54 there are many ambassadors in India. I see your country is so large 05:16:18 so you need to group up together to do better things 05:16:29 the ticket seems to revolve around a few sessions. 05:16:45 which ticket, banas ? 05:17:26 the current one. 147 05:17:43 I did not get your point, sorry 05:18:02 I prefer to support a half in this case 05:18:17 niteshnarayanlal, you are welcome there. You can learn a lot, I think 05:18:47 any more questions or concerns? 05:19:18 I meant that we were trying to work on the budget, with much not slots for talks 05:19:30 *not much 05:19:49 yes, thanks banas 05:20:00 tuanta, in that case its better to call someone with greater planning experience 05:20:21 agreed. let us prioritize slots for budget planners and then see if we have spare for anything else 05:20:42 we are already on the what is leftover ;) 05:20:42 thanks for understandings 05:20:50 we can discuss events and other talks remotely too 05:20:51 anyways i am withdrawing 05:21:33 #action niteshnarayanlal to withdraw his request #147 (close it out) 05:22:05 ! 05:22:15 go ahead, gnokii 05:23:02 there are only 2 tickets left nitesh and amita, so look what is the money status and then decide 05:23:23 niteshnarayanlal decided to withdraw, gnokii 05:23:34 there is only one left, belongs to amita 05:23:36 ! 05:23:36 Sudhir is on role now :) 05:23:47 go ahead somvannda 05:24:00 grrr, ignore last line please 05:24:01 eof 05:24:41 as we need one ambassador from each country to represent and work on the budgeting, so we have to decide between niteshnarayanlal and amita, who will be represent for India 05:25:15 somvannda: if we decide between ambassadors,there is no choice ;) 05:25:23 * hanthana saw Kushal's name as well 05:25:25 -1 somvannda. +1 gnokii 05:25:41 Kushal will attend remotely afaik 05:25:48 hanthana: kushal wont make it 05:25:49 hanthana, correct. He wants to make it remotely 05:25:59 ah ok 05:26:02 yep, he's attending remotely 05:26:34 if we need another person from India, I think we should send another reminder, just to them 05:27:03 niteshnarayanlal: can you tell me why you did withdraw 05:27:04 * pravins will be attending https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/151 happening parallel with FAD:Phnom 05:27:07 that sounds good to me 05:27:16 there are also some other active ambassadors there. They may have some good experience in budget planning 05:27:32 tuanta: looks good to me as well 05:27:50 thanks pravins 05:27:52 for some reasons, I also want to encourage ambassadors from Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore to come too, since 3 tickets just equal to one ticket people applying now 05:28:06 gnokii, they have better contenders from India 05:28:23 niteshnarayanlal: where is that written? 05:29:12 this is what it means when you say that "you were not involved in planning for last 2 years" 05:29:37 nope that is just the question what expieriences you have nothing more 05:29:49 there's always a first time 05:29:54 right 05:30:18 +1 05:30:40 anyways the decision is upto the folks over here 05:30:43 the important thing 05:30:56 the planning should be proper 05:31:19 niteshnarayanlal: when you withdraw there is no decision to make ;) 05:31:32 +1 gnokii :) 05:32:11 tuanta, what about my ticket 05:32:17 is it closed 05:32:32 ! 05:32:37 amita, we will be back to it later 05:32:41 go ahead, somvannda 05:32:46 tuanta, ok 05:33:00 for some reasons, I also want to encourage ambassadors from Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore to come too, since 3 tickets just equal to one ticket people applying now 05:33:14