04:00:06 #startmeeting 04:00:06 Meeting started Sat Jan 5 04:00:06 2013 UTC. The chair is dramsey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:06 #meetingname APAC 2013-01-05 04:00:06 The meeting name has been set to 'apac_2013-01-05' 04:00:18 Asia Pacific "APAC" 04:00:21 Welcome Everyone. 04:00:28 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-01-05#Agenda 04:00:31 Meeting Agenda 04:00:35 .fas dramsey 04:00:36 .fas tuanta 04:00:36 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 04:00:39 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:00:48 #chair tuanta azneita MavJS FranciscoD 04:00:48 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS azneita dramsey tuanta 04:01:00 #chair shaon 04:01:00 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS azneita dramsey shaon tuanta 04:01:07 .fas MavJS 04:01:09 MavJS: mavjs 'Ye Myat Kaung' 04:01:12 dramsey, thanks for chairing the meeting today :) 04:01:20 :) 04:01:23 thanks :) 04:01:31 Thank you, Tuan. 04:01:38 next topic? 04:01:45 .fas shaon 04:01:46 shaon: fsnfan 'Fan shaoning' - mishaone 'Misha H. Ali' 04:01:58 whoops 04:02:29 shaon, can you introduce a bit about you? 04:02:38 yep, sure 04:03:15 btw, I am Tuan from Vietnam, Fedora Ambassadors, Package Maintainer and FAmSCo member 04:03:16 I am from Dhaka, Bangladesh, I am currently working at Eucalyptus System (remotely) 04:03:28 as a Technical Support Engineer 04:03:37 great to hear that from you 04:03:41 sweet! :) 04:03:43 .azneita 04:04:00 .fas boncOS 04:04:00 boncOS: dheche 'Teguh DC' 04:04:01 Cloud is one of the main arrows @Fedora 04:04:05 hello 04:04:06 same here tuanta 04:04:07 .fas herson@azneita.org 04:04:08 azneita: azneita 'Heherson Pagcaliwagan' 04:04:19 im back!!! 04:04:24 azneita: pre 04:04:28 .fas aolsystems 04:04:30 dramsey: aolsystems 'Arnold Laurinaria' 04:04:34 Welcome! 04:04:34 hello everyone 04:04:39 #chair aolsystems 04:04:39 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS aolsystems azneita dramsey shaon tuanta 04:04:47 #chair magie 04:04:47 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS aolsystems azneita dramsey magie shaon tuanta 04:04:48 :D 04:04:54 dramsey: hehehe! thanks! 04:05:00 #chair boncOS 04:05:00 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS aolsystems azneita boncOS dramsey magie shaon tuanta 04:05:14 Next topic? 04:05:21 yes, please 04:05:23 #topic News from FAmSCo 04:05:27 Tuan - you got it!@ 04:05:29 :D 04:05:33 ok, that's mine 04:05:34 magie: hello 04:05:56 #chair born2linux 04:05:56 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS aolsystems azneita boncOS born2linux dramsey magie shaon tuanta 04:06:22 at FAmSCo, we have got two meetings recently 04:06:44 born2linux: hello 04:06:47 we have discussed a lot to solve the budget problems 04:06:51 * azneita saw the emails but was too lazy to read 04:07:16 firstly, the FAD budget plan issue: 04:08:04 you know FAD is a kind of premier event so it's not in charge of regional communities nor FAmSCo to decide the budget 04:08:13 true 04:08:19 +1 04:08:35 also, we see a lot of events named FAD but not *real* FADs 04:08:57 what type of language do you use to create software at FAD? 04:09:28 with both reasons, FAmSCo suggests you should consider carefully before name an event as FAD 04:09:35 +1 04:09:37 budget would be more complex 04:10:02 .fas dona@azneita.org 04:10:03 dona: dona 'dona marie grace' 04:10:18 #chair dona 04:10:18 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS aolsystems azneita boncOS born2linux dona dramsey magie shaon tuanta 04:10:30 to know more about FAD: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_-_FAD?rd=FAD 04:10:53 +1 04:11:09 #chair born2linux1 magie1 04:11:09 Current chairs: FranciscoD MavJS aolsystems azneita boncOS born2linux born2linux1 dona dramsey magie magie1 shaon tuanta 04:11:20 *not-real* FAD event would be decided by regional communities and FAmSCo as usual process 04:11:26 tuanta, off hand what are not real fads 04:11:28 it would be easier 04:11:59 i know i can read the mail but an example would be nice 04:12:18 azneita: you can see what FAD is at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_-_FAD?rd=FAD 04:12:32 yeah, i have read that 04:13:10 FAD is a kind of premier event where Fedora contributors go together to work on (some) specific issues 04:13:31 +1 04:13:43 e.g. Infrastructure team meet together to hack on some stuffs 04:13:52 what i mean is, what specific fads are not real fads 04:14:01 +1 04:14:02 it's not about just ambassadors, it's about the whole Fedora contributors 04:14:19 what triggered the distinction 04:14:44 anyhow, i'll just read up then 04:14:46 :) 04:15:07 and when you name an event as FAD, the process to plan for budget is more complex. It would be decided by a mystery man called budget owner 04:15:32 that's robyn and company i think 04:15:46 in the past, he is Max. but after Max leaving, we need to have another man 04:15:52 s/man/person 04:16:11 that's also the second news 04:16:15 from FAmSCo 04:16:19 osas picked that duty up right 04:16:57 FAmSCo is working with Robyn to appoint a new budget owner who is in charge of budget planning for premier events like FADs 04:17:12 and the last news is: 04:17:27 * azneita should really pay more attention to meeting logs :) 04:17:42 FAmSCo suggest regions completes the regional budget plans by 14th of Jan 04:17:52 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-01-03/famsco.2013-01-03-17.00.html 04:17:52 +1 04:18:15 you can see the last FAmSCo meeting logs here 04:18:36 gotcha, tuanta 04:18:54 +1 very important for APAC's 2013 success. eof 04:18:59 do you happen to know, if there is any FAD event happening in Bangladesh? 04:19:46 each of you (for each country) should plan for budget for 2013 soon 04:20:08 +1 04:20:09 ? 04:20:15 shaon: AFAIK, no FAD in Bangladesh up to now 04:20:30 ok, please dramsey 04:20:41 nor events, methink 04:20:49 Tuan, where do you want each country's input, eof. 04:21:00 budet for the year 04:21:14 the budget proposal is an estimate, right? 04:21:21 we will discuss more about how to make budget plan in APAC in the next parts of this meeting 04:21:23 yes, we'll work on ph budget for 2013 04:21:24 not a hard cap or anything 04:21:25 ? 04:21:43 have we got a separated topic for budget planning, dramsey? 04:22:01 if not, we can discuss in Open Floor 04:22:20 I got some experience can share to you 04:22:25 we could make that now - Tuan. As well as FUDCon APAC, eof 04:22:46 +1 04:23:03 +1 04:23:29 would you like to discuss about budget planning topic right now? 04:23:37 +1 04:23:47 ? New topic? eof 04:23:50 ok, thanks. I will make it short 04:23:59 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget/Vietnam_Budget_FY2014 04:24:05 here is my draft for Vietnam 04:24:06 ? 04:24:36 I got comments from Ambassadors in Vietnam to make this draft better 04:25:01 firstly, I see most budget comes from *events* 04:25:21 so first, you should list all your events in the year 04:25:44 note that FY2014 is from March 2013 until Feb 2014 04:26:20 you can put the priority in case of we do not have enough budget for all 04:26:57 of course, in the plan, more is better than less 04:27:19 with more budget planned, we can cut them later if needed 04:27:52 note that requests for no-planned budget would be more difficult to consider and approve 04:28:20 we can also think about the last recent years spends 04:28:52 those are main factors I considered to make this draft 04:29:05 you can also make others to 04:29:17 I suggest we do planning fro each country 04:29:32 +1 04:29:37 +1 04:29:44 and then APAC region will sum them up into a bigger plan 04:30:30 +1 04:31:12 +1 04:31:25 and then, you know, at FAmSCo, we will sum all four regions' budget plan up into a completed plan in FY2014 04:31:38 FY2014 starts on March 2013 04:31:44 whats you're budget? 04:31:55 so we should complete everything by this month 04:32:15 gx260a, what do you mean? 04:32:33 sorry, I do not understand your question 04:32:46 I was just inquiring you're budget do you have a rough estimate? 04:33:15 ten thousand? 04:33:34 you meant the total budget for each region? 04:34:06 just a rough estimate 04:34:31 ok, see #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2012-February/001003.html 04:34:36 +1 04:34:57 ? 04:35:07 that's budget for the last FY2013 (would be ended by Feb 2013) 04:35:47 you can see regional support for all four regions is about 80k-100k USD 04:36:07 AFAIK, it't not decided for this FY2014 04:36:27 but it's the same 04:36:32 +1 04:36:41 ? 04:36:50 then for each region, we would have budget support about $20k-$25k 04:37:08 just my rough thought 04:37:17 thanks man 04:37:25 it's not official number, but it is similar that 04:37:30 dramsey, please 04:37:57 Is there any FY2013 left for APAC? 04:37:57 Oh shaon's question, too. 04:37:57 eof 04:38:09 budget that is. 04:38:12 good question, dramsey 04:38:28 I wish Buddika available here 04:38:37 he has got a sum, I think 04:39:18 Okay, understood. eof 04:39:25 is only an ambassador can propose budget and organize FAD events, since I am not an fedora ambassador, so what will be the process to propose an event? eof 04:39:47 only important note: that left money would be clear (we lost it) 04:40:18 shaon, FAD is not about ambassadors, it's about all contributors 04:41:09 okay, so only contributors can propose one 04:41:22 ambassadors are also contributors 04:41:28 we are subset, you know 04:41:32 does it make sense? 04:41:35 +1 04:41:52 yep 04:41:56 there are a lot of groups in Fedora community 04:42:21 right 04:42:24 tuanta, yes .. but to make a request for resources, you must be a Fedora Ambassador <-- i see it here https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/wiki 04:42:56 tuanta knows one right? 04:43:13 nice boncOS 04:43:33 tuanta, yep, got it now 04:43:47 on the phone now 04:44:24 +1 04:45:02 ? 04:45:03 so I was checking, if we can organize something here in dhaka, if we don't find a contributor, at least we can let them know how to contribute 04:45:41 you see what I mean 04:46:18 err. you lost me shaon 04:46:30 are you a contributor yourself? 04:46:43 or planning to be one? 04:46:47 not a fedora one 04:47:01 is there anything barring you from being one 04:47:08 nope 04:47:20 I am talking about encouraging others as well 04:47:26 from my pov, you can easily apply to ambassadors 04:47:37 seeing that you're doing the job already ;) 04:48:16 ah, yes, I can do that if you want me to do, but I think there are Fedora Ambassador already in Bangladesh 04:48:16 i think mak is from bangladesh, you knw him? 04:48:31 I am shocked, that none of them are present here 04:48:31 :( 04:48:40 yep, I do know him 04:48:46 ping me offline later, let's see what we can do 04:48:55 thanks azneita 04:48:59 dramsey, the floor? 04:49:05 Tuan - #action deadline for APAC on FY2014 is January 11th and other input for budget how about FUDCon APAC 2013 concerns? eof 04:49:11 Everyone that is, eof 04:50:16 next ... 04:50:53 what topics are valid? 04:54:43 quick announcement for ph fams: 04:54:52 Please, magie, eof 04:54:56 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget/Philippines_Budget_Plan_2013 04:55:13 please flesh out, thanks 04:55:30 thanks dramsey, eof 04:56:09 +1 04:56:21 +1 04:56:28 thanks magie 04:56:38 ? 04:56:46 let's add line items for bulk swag too 04:56:57 and other stuff that carry over 04:57:44 based on tuanta's link, thanks tuan 04:58:32 please, dramsey 04:58:45 I like your stuff. eof 04:58:58 ? Future question, any input for budget how about FUDCon APAC 2013 concerns? eof 05:00:55 dramsey why the eof? 05:01:46 gx260a, he's just signing off ;) 05:01:54 part of meeting protocols 05:02:07 dramsey, are we done? 05:02:34 I think that's me 05:02:35 eof 05:02:41 I must hit the road, now 05:02:48 If meeting logs need to be sent, eof 05:02:56 Take care and please do as Tuan as suggested 05:02:58 I need to go 05:02:58 eof 05:02:59 b ye 05:03:06 bye 05:03:10 bye 05:03:30 ok guys, so it's open floor or end of meeting? 05:03:58 where to now? 05:04:05 how the progress about some open ticket (budget request for release party) ? 05:04:34 you have the ticket boncOS ? 05:04:46 yes... #54 05:04:52 let me check 05:05:28 you have finished this alreday? 05:05:36 not yet .. 05:05:46 i wait for approval first 05:06:19 if this budget is approved, then i will go for it 05:08:34 i say go for it 05:09:23 +1 from me 05:09:43 hey, I am back 05:09:58 sorry, a long distance phone from our client 05:10:05 hey tuanta, boncOS want approval for #54 budget request 05:10:16 i'm ok with it 05:10:57 any other concerns? 05:11:24 I see it's ok too 05:11:41 dramsey, make a #agreed? 05:11:45 i say, just collect the receipts and post the event reports 05:12:03 dramsey left already 05:12:04 any #info or #action from the beginning of the meeting? 05:12:34 ok, so we should continue. 05:12:49 pls 05:12:56 As I see, ticket #54 has been approved 05:13:02 any comments? 05:13:32 just have fun :) 05:13:36 thanks :) 05:14:37 #agreed ticket #54 for "Budget Fedora 18 Release Party - Malang, Indonesia" approved 05:15:26 I will update the ticket to put meeting logs there for follow up 05:15:53 boncOS, you should also read the Reimbursement guidelines carefully 05:16:03 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement 05:16:07 yes sir, i will 05:16:16 ok, anything else? 05:16:33 i see some ticket from some city in indonesia is not approved yet ... #52 #53 #55 05:17:11 boncOS, who are event owners? 05:17:23 do they attend this meeting? 05:17:47 nope .. i think jurankdankkal not attend today 05:18:18 .fas jurankdankkal 05:18:18 boncOS: jurankdankkal 'Prima Yogi Loviniltra' 05:19:31 yes, I know him. we will discuss more via Trac and mailing list later 05:19:40 it's better if he can attend the meeting 05:19:41 ok .. 05:19:53 so, anything else today? 05:20:03 it's over 19m :) 05:20:04 enough from me 05:20:16 nothing else 05:20:25 I see we should close the meeting now 05:20:31 +1 05:20:38 ok, great meeting. see you later 05:20:44 #endmeeting