05:00:38 <tuanta> #startmeeting APAC 2016-06-24
05:00:39 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jun 24 05:00:38 2016 UTC.  The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:00:39 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'apac_2016-06-24'
05:00:46 <tuanta> #topic Roll call
05:00:50 <tuanta> #chair pjp
05:00:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: pjp tuanta
05:00:54 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
05:00:54 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
05:01:23 <tuanta> #info Topic: F24 Release parties
05:01:52 <tuanta> #info Topic: APAC budget FAD KL 2016
05:01:54 <pjp> .fas pjp
05:01:55 <zodbot> pjp: sandeepj 'sandeepj' <sandeepjp22@gmail.com> - pankaj16 'pankaj joshi' <pjpj1693@yopmail.com> - pjp '' <pj.pandit@yahoo.co.in> - crewab 'flore crew' <eepjpgq0.qs3@20mail.it> - pjpedro 'PJ Pedro' <pjpedro@rogers.com>
05:02:12 <tuanta> #info Topic: F24 media and swag
05:02:29 <tuanta> #info Topic: Tickets
05:02:33 <tuanta> anything else?
05:03:20 <pjp> tuanta: FAD budget and travel planning,
05:03:35 <pjp> Is Izhar here?
05:03:40 <tuanta> pjp, that's #2
05:03:52 <pjp> Ah, right
05:04:02 <tuanta> pjp, he could not attend I think since it's praying time
05:04:57 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
05:04:57 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
05:05:03 <tuanta> if we need him, we should setup another meeting tomorrow, at 4:00 UTC
05:05:07 <tuanta> #chair gnokii
05:05:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: gnokii pjp tuanta
05:05:25 <tuanta> #topic F24 Release parties
05:05:51 <Guest86469> .hello sayanchowdhury
05:05:51 <tuanta> you all know, F24 has been out
05:05:52 <zodbot> Guest86469: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com>
05:06:30 <tuanta> however, until now, there are not many release parties registered
05:06:32 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F24_release_events#APAC
05:07:26 <tuanta> I want to do one in Hanoi, but I am not really fixed the date
05:07:48 * tuanta is crazily busy these days :(
05:08:01 <tuanta> any other news in this topic?
05:08:44 <tuanta> should we send another call for organizing F24 Release parties?
05:09:07 <pjp> sayan: release parties in Pune/Bangalore ?
05:09:18 <pjp> praveenkumar: pravins ^^
05:09:26 <pravins> hi pjp :)
05:09:28 <tuanta> how about badge for F24 release party? gnokii, do you know the status?
05:09:35 <tuanta> #chair sayan pravins
05:09:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: gnokii pjp pravins sayan tuanta
05:09:44 <pravins> I definitely want to celebrate this.
05:10:13 <tuanta> pravins, have you already fixed the date, created a wiki page, etc.
05:11:01 <gnokii> the ticket is not closed so its not pushed,
05:12:06 <tuanta> should we send another call for organizing F24 Release parties to the mailing list?
05:12:45 <praveenkumar> pravins: you are planning to do it in Pune or outside?
05:12:50 <praveenkumar> pjp: hello
05:13:01 <tuanta> #chair praveenkumar
05:13:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: gnokii pjp praveenkumar pravins sayan tuanta
05:13:06 <praveenkumar> .fas kumarpraveen
05:13:09 <zodbot> praveenkumar: kumarpraveen '' <kumarpraveen.nitdgp@gmail.com>
05:13:26 <pravins> tuanta: not yet. still planning
05:13:28 <sayan> pjp: let me talk with kushal and rtnpro and decide on a date
05:13:35 <sayan> will update the wiki
05:13:48 <tuanta> ok, thanks pravins sayan
05:14:59 <tuanta> #action everyone update F24 release event wiki pages and add into https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F24_release_events#APAC
05:15:15 <tuanta> #topic APAC budget planning FAD KL 2016
05:16:06 <tuanta> firstly, I would like to summarize the context here:
05:16:30 <tuanta> annually, we have a regional FAD for budget planning for next fiscal year
05:16:52 <tuanta> at the end of the year (normally in Nov)
05:17:22 <tuanta> this year, for the budget.next requirements, we need to do it much sooner, in July
05:17:31 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next
05:18:00 <tuanta> the budget for this FAD is from APAC budget (we got confirmation from Council)
05:18:09 <pjp> Yep
05:18:49 <tuanta> budget estimation is around $2,350
05:18:51 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_KualaLumpur_2016#Event_Budget
05:19:54 <tuanta> APAC budget for this FY2017 is $11,500 in total (approved by Council)
05:19:58 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Singapore_2015/Events#Actual_budget_allocation
05:20:25 <gnokii> tuanta you summarize things you realized now but did not realize during last FAD maybe you slept there
05:21:13 <tuanta> slept? are you kidding? just focus on the conversation please
05:22:24 <tuanta> now we need to decide if we want to spend that amount for this year FAD or not
05:22:30 <gnokii> no I not kidding
05:22:33 <tuanta> I think it's best to bring this to regional meeting
05:22:45 <pjp> gnokii: Yes, no need to be condescending,
05:23:50 <tuanta> if any of you is not clear about the context, please ask here
05:24:01 <gnokii> pjp: you know, I said very clear that it has to come out of regional budget thats why it was putted into the plan, if you compare with the year before there is none putted in
05:24:24 <gnokii> but it starts that somebody putted another FAD into the table with 5000$ budget
05:25:39 <tuanta> gnokii, you meant $5,000 for this year FAD is already approved since it has been listed on the Events list?
05:26:03 <tuanta> I don't think so, since the total approved budget for APAC this year is just $11,500
05:26:23 <pjp> tuanta: Right, we have to manage it within that, IIUC,
05:26:26 <gnokii> tuanta: are you not aware of the problem? YOU putted in another FAD for strategic planning with 5k budget which is NOT necessary
05:26:54 <gnokii> so instead of just putting in 11k and say now you can only spent 1/3
05:27:02 <gnokii> you should take a deeper look
05:27:12 <gnokii> 23k looks much different to 28k
05:27:28 <gnokii> not to mention that some of the planned event didnt happen
05:28:21 <tuanta> sorry, gnokii, I don't under stand what you are saying; can you explain what you meant?
05:29:43 <tuanta> gnokii, please stay calm, show your idea as clear as possible, do not assume anything
05:29:53 <tuanta> we need a solution
05:30:23 <gnokii> its not an idea its just something I have to say look for the numbers first before you dance here and say we have just a third
05:31:02 <gnokii> if you not realize that there are 2 FAD in that table what makes on the end 10k what shall I say to that
05:31:02 <tuanta> I am just one of us. I can not decide anything myself/alone. So if you have a better solution, please propose it
05:31:21 <gnokii> has nothing to do with decide
05:31:31 <gnokii> but what you dont want to decide?
05:31:43 <gnokii> you want to decide what is already decided?
05:31:44 <tuanta> you meant this table? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Singapore_2015/Events#FY17
05:31:56 <gnokii> of course I mean that table
05:32:19 <tuanta> there is only a FAD listed there (location: Indonesia)
05:34:21 <gnokii> http://img.susepaste.org/37297948
05:35:15 <tuanta> thanks for your image
05:35:30 <tuanta> and what is your proposal? remove 1 of them?
05:36:21 <gnokii> of course remove this one first and correct the number
05:36:48 <tuanta> ok, +1 for that
05:36:54 <gnokii> and then you should have a look on what is actually from the events really done and spent, not saying simple aah you can just spend a third
05:37:15 <gnokii> and btw this kind of, we just divide by 3 doesnt work for some events
05:39:00 <tuanta> ok, gnokii. that's just a fast route, simply as a kind of warnings; then we need to discuss and make decision how to cut down to actual allocated budget
05:39:30 <tuanta> have you got a proposal already?
05:39:47 <gnokii> you can save just on the bigger items
05:40:35 <gnokii> we have definitely to strike the Flock item, to sad for pravins
05:40:43 <tuanta> btw, the budget is not too tight now; so can we review budget for FAD KL? (this topic) then discuss the total budget later (next topic)
05:40:56 <pravins> true, it was really sad to see we do not have budget for flock travel now.
05:41:13 <pravins> specifically considering flock 2015 specifically mentioned no travel to APAC memebrs.
05:41:18 <pravins> s/memebrs
05:41:38 <gnokii> yeah its sad
05:41:51 <tuanta> +1
05:42:01 <tuanta> focus on our topic, please :)
05:42:33 <tuanta> I agree, we can cut down the APAC budget for Flock 2016
05:43:02 <gnokii> but its nothing we have to do here, that can be adjusted on FAD
05:43:15 <tuanta> +1 gnokii . I think so to
05:43:17 <tuanta> too
05:43:37 <tuanta> so should we vote for FAD KL budget now?
05:43:58 <tuanta> it is already, sorry, since the budget is fit in
05:44:13 <gnokii> for what, all are postivie deiceded what you always want to discuss and vote again for make in more expensive?
05:45:49 <tuanta> gnokii, you should show your ideas as clear as possible instead of making noisy. It's hard to convince people if you do not give  good proposal with enough based information
05:46:17 <gnokii> there is no proposal why you always, hesitate with doing something
05:46:18 <tuanta> I do not really understand your meanings until today
05:46:40 <pjp> Guys, let
05:46:53 <pjp> Let's not get carried away
05:46:55 <gnokii> its better to spend this 2.3k from the regional budget as discussing it more and then have to spend 3.5k
05:48:08 <pjp> True
05:49:01 <gnokii> leadership is about make decisions and not always hesitate doing them, yes some might have another opinion later on but I prefer we do the FAD and move on not always delaying it
05:49:08 <gnokii> and discussing it to dead
05:50:37 <pjp> tuanta: ie. Let's go ahead with the 2.3k FAD budget and start planning further things
05:50:51 <tuanta> +1 pjp
05:51:16 <tuanta> AFAICS, nothing stops us now
05:51:54 <tuanta> #agreed Approved FAD KL 2016 budget
05:52:19 <tuanta> #topic F24 media and swag
05:52:48 <tuanta> pjp, is it enough time for you to bring F24 media to KL?
05:53:18 <tuanta> it's two weeks from now
05:53:23 <pjp> tuanta: Yes, I'll try and manage that
05:53:51 <tuanta> thanks; it's best to distribute them in KL
05:54:42 <pjp> Yep
05:55:04 <tuanta> #action pjp to manage to produce F24 media for distributing during FAD KL
05:55:24 <tuanta> #topic Ticket #242
05:55:27 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/242
05:55:38 <tuanta> Travel subsidy for adimania to speak at Flock
05:56:12 <gnokii> -1
05:56:27 <tuanta> as we roughly discussed above, APAC budget for Flock 2016 should be cut
05:56:40 <gnokii> two reasons fist we dont have the budget
05:57:00 <tuanta> -1 from me too
05:57:04 <gnokii> second, he received already last year a sponsoring from the regional budget
05:57:31 <gnokii> might learn to share
05:57:37 <pjp> -1, for lack of sufficient budget
05:58:23 <tuanta> #agreed Rejected to support #242
05:58:45 <tuanta> #action tuanta to update the ticket #242
05:58:48 <tuanta> #topic Open Floor
05:59:13 <tuanta> a good news, FUDCon APAC PP 2016 budget has been approved after a long time pending
05:59:30 <pjp> Cool! :)
05:59:43 <pjp> Congratulations gnokii and PP team.
05:59:47 <tuanta> gnokii, you and PP team should resume all organizing work
06:00:44 <tuanta> I am not sure, but seems one of the time consuming task is call for participants and deciding travel subsidies
06:01:11 <gnokii> tuanta: you should be really quiet to that topic
06:01:44 <tuanta> be calm, please :)
06:01:55 <pjp> tuanta: We are running over time,
06:01:57 <tuanta> ball is at you now
06:02:10 <tuanta> pjp, ok, we should end the meeting now
06:02:31 <pjp> Yep,
06:02:32 <tuanta> #endmeeting