12:00:43 <bexelbie> #startmeeting APAC Ambassadors
12:00:43 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jun 14 12:00:43 2018 UTC.
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12:00:50 <bexelbie> #chair pjp sumantro paragan siddharthvipul
12:00:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie paragan pjp siddharthvipul sumantro
12:00:59 <sumantro> thanks bexelbie :)
12:01:07 <bexelbie> #topic thinking about the next step for APAC
12:01:10 <bexelbie> big paste coming
12:01:14 <bexelbie> from a previous chat
12:01:16 * pjp reading log..
12:01:32 <bexelbie> bexelbie> I am concerned that the inability to process tickets/hold meetings is hurting the APAC region
12:01:32 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> iirc it is hard to get people together in real time and ticket voting hasn't been very successful
12:01:32 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> is my recollection correct?
12:01:32 <bexelbie> <sumantro> hii
12:01:33 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> hi sumantro
12:01:35 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> do you have scrollback?
12:01:37 <bexelbie> <sumantro> yes :)
12:01:39 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> I'd appreciate your feedback in additoin to pjp and anyone else's on my statements
12:01:41 <bexelbie> <pjp> bexelbie: Yes,
12:01:43 <bexelbie> * bexelbie has a proposal but it also involves work for sumantro :D
12:01:49 <bexelbie> <sumantro> bexelbie, yes you are right
12:01:51 <bexelbie> <pjp> bexelbie: ?
12:01:53 <bexelbie> <sumantro> bexelbie, I am game , fire away!
12:01:55 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> So my proposal is that we try to move things forward by pushing on Mindshare.  Essentially let's ask Mindshare to start administering the tickets for APAC in an open manner.  Sumantro is working on converting the mindshare proposal into policy.  Using APACs tickets would allow mindshare to start doing things with real tickets and see where the gaps are.
12:02:02 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> it would also allow other regions to see how mindshare works and make the abstract concrete.
12:02:05 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> For APAC it provides some forward momentum and allows ambassadors to focus on events (which they are doing now) without having to be panic'ed they won't get approvals
12:02:08 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> it also unblocks the smaller tickets pretty quickly and sets up conversation and structure for big ideas
12:02:11 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> what do you all think?
12:02:13 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> the push is that Sumantro has to really get going on that policy :D
12:02:19 <bexelbie> <sumantro> bexelbie, up for it , I think this is a fantastic idea
12:02:21 <bexelbie> <siddharthvipul> .
12:02:23 <bexelbie> * sumantro has started working on it, will release out an alpha draft by monday
12:02:25 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> siddharthvipul, do you have scrollback?
12:02:27 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> your input is desired and welcome
12:02:31 <bexelbie> * bexelbie will put this in email to ambassadors and mindshare if we like the idea
12:02:33 <bexelbie> <sumantro> bexelbie +100
12:02:35 <bexelbie> <bexelbie> if we don't let's figure out a game plan we can propose that is different than what we've been trying
12:02:38 <bexelbie> ok, pasted for the log
12:02:40 <bexelbie> for the minutes
12:02:42 <bexelbie> #info proposal that we ask Mindshare to start working with APAC tickets immediately.  This lets APAC focus on events and get the administration unclogged while letting Mindshare use real tickets to refine the procedures they are writing for Mindshare
12:03:28 <bexelbie> Any thoughts beyond those expressed?
12:03:39 <bexelbie> now is not hte time to be shy :D
12:03:59 * paragan is sad that APAC region tickets need to go to Mindshare people but will be happy. That way tickets keep getting responses and resolution fast.
12:04:22 * pjp not know about Mindshare
12:04:59 <sumantro> paragan, its mostly to establish a foundation which will help to set up a conversation structure which makes approval easier than ever before
12:05:13 <paragan> pjp, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mindshare
12:05:57 <bexelbie> paragan, ultimately we hope almost all tickets will move through a streamlined process.  This is not exclusive to APAC, it is just APAC leading the charge
12:06:14 <paragan> oh okay
12:06:21 <sumantro> as of now there is none and hence tickets have a lot of discussions and then since not-all-people gather in one meeting, it becomes hard to work things through a voting system
12:06:55 <paragan> I am okay with this proposal, +1 from my side
12:07:11 <GIANT_CRAB> Ok im here
12:07:17 <bexelbie> #chair GIANT_CRAB
12:07:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: GIANT_CRAB bexelbie paragan pjp siddharthvipul sumantro
12:07:47 <bexelbie> GIANT_CRAB, do you have scrollback?
12:08:01 <GIANT_CRAB> yes i do
12:08:26 <siddharthvipul> +1 .. it's a good idea. As more events are on the way, let's be ready with smoother process :)
12:09:08 <bexelbie> My own biases are that I think Mindshare needs some real tickets to work with to get the road smoothed out
12:09:27 <GIANT_CRAB> read through
12:09:46 <bexelbie> for those not following the mindshare conversation, the plan is to create some very defined processes so that people can predict approvals and make plans with better foresight.  They'll know what is going to require more conversation and what is probably just going to get through the system
12:09:59 <GIANT_CRAB> I think its fine to me but is Mindshare ok with it?
12:10:07 <bexelbie> great point
12:10:41 <bexelbie> I suggest we send an email to both ambassadors and mindshare suggesting this and use lazy consensus (1 week reasonable consensus) to get everyone on board
12:11:25 <GIANT_CRAB> Alright, sure
12:11:26 <bexelbie> wdyat?
12:11:32 <sumantro> bexelbie, sounds good
12:11:50 <bexelbie> as prep can we triage the tickets we have?
12:12:01 <bexelbie> and does anyone want to help me write the email? I'll work on it today
12:12:02 <Amita> sorry for being late.. (Was in another meeting)
12:12:24 <linuxmodder-> bexelbie,  first off I'm not in the sig anymore to comment
12:12:44 <bexelbie> linuxmodder-, but you're a person with an opinion and you're welcome to comment.  Even though you're not an APAC ambassador
12:13:28 <linuxmodder-> I meant bigger than that and not been able to follow ANYTHING Mindshare related so anything I'd say is crap anyway but thanks
12:13:37 <bexelbie> linuxmodder-, ok
12:13:44 <pjp> ie. Mindshare committee would decide about the ticket/budget requests ?
12:13:58 <bexelbie> Amita, do you have any comments or can we move on to ticket triage?
12:14:01 <bexelbie> pjp, yep
12:14:12 <bexelbie> with an open process
12:14:14 <Amita> bexelbie, we can move
12:14:42 <linuxmodder-> at first glance that seems to be removing autonomy and power from * Ambassadors but ..
12:15:23 <pjp> Hmmn, sounds okay, just wondering if the committee should have more participation from the region, currently only sumantro is listed.
12:15:38 <bexelbie> pjp it was an open election ... I hope APAC folks will run again
12:15:46 <pjp> Yep
12:16:12 <bexelbie> I trust my fellow contributors to think in terms of what is good for the project as well.  I don't want to think about this as a us vs them or power issue.
12:17:32 <bexelbie> tickets everyone?
12:18:05 <bexelbie> #topic Pune Release Party
12:18:07 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/298
12:18:20 <pjp> bexelbie: No not about us vs them, just that if sumantro is not around someone else will be there
12:18:31 <bexelbie> This looks pretty easy to say yes too.  I see questions about what docs will be worked on but I don't see anything blocking us ... does anyone else?
12:18:43 <bexelbie> pjp, agreed
12:19:28 <bexelbie> did we ever get pravins back?
12:19:54 <sumantro> good question :)
12:19:55 <paragan> I think he got stuck somewhere while going back to home and probably will not join soon
12:20:05 <bexelbie> paragan, ok
12:20:09 <bexelbie> that happens :D
12:20:26 <paragan> let me see if I can help here
12:20:28 <bexelbie> any issues with this ticket other than request for details on the "do" part -- but I think everyone likes having a "do" part
12:20:47 <paragan> I think pravin want to migrate some QE wiki pages as a document
12:21:09 <paragan> but more details can be shared by him only
12:21:14 <sumantro> QE wiki's as in ?
12:21:42 <bexelbie> from my perspective, I think this is approvable without knowing the doc specifics
12:21:49 <bexelbie> does anyone have a reason this isn't approvable?
12:22:10 <paragan> I am not sure which pages he is trying to migrate
12:22:29 <sumantro> paragan, bexelbie and me were trying to set up a fedora qa docs repo, let me know if I can help somewhere
12:22:44 <paragan> sure
12:22:55 <bexelbie> I am not hearing a reason to not approve ... let's move the docs talk to the ticket, if everyone is ok with that
12:23:04 <bexelbie> and it'd be great to see some +1s in the ticket to help guide the ticket to close
12:23:11 <sumantro> bexelbie, yes
12:23:17 <pjp> Yes, amount 30 USD is small, are the 30 participants registered?
12:23:33 <bexelbie> pjp do they need to be before we could approve the ticket?
12:23:38 <Amita> I am okay with it
12:23:39 <Amita> +1
12:23:50 <bexelbie> Amita, vote in the ticket pelase
12:23:51 <bexelbie> please
12:23:58 <Amita> okay, sure
12:24:24 <bexelbie> ok
12:24:27 <bexelbie> #topic Fedora 28 Release Party Beijing
12:24:32 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/297
12:24:36 <bexelbie> This needs to be reimbursed
12:24:40 <bexelbie> can someone assign it to me?
12:25:23 * bexelbie doesn't have access to this ticket queue .. it'd be great if I could get that to help move the tickets when they are being reimbursed
12:26:00 <sumantro> done
12:26:03 <bexelbie> sumantro, ty
12:26:08 <sumantro> bexelbie, yw :)
12:26:09 <bexelbie> #topic Fedora 28 Release Party BLR
12:26:13 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/296
12:26:17 <bexelbie> sumantro, did you get the money?
12:26:35 <sumantro> yes! I will comment and close this ticket, thanks bexelbie again!
12:26:44 <bexelbie> ty
12:26:46 <bexelbie> #topic Fedora presence during devconf - Bengaluru, India - August 4-5, 2018
12:26:49 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/295
12:26:56 <bexelbie> Amita, what is going on with this?
12:27:03 <bexelbie> it has been a month and devconf is coming up fast
12:27:27 * bexelbie got asked about the Fedora presence at devconf.in yesterday and didn't have an answer :D /me listens closely
12:27:56 <pjp> Do we want to have a booth there?
12:28:05 <siddharthvipul> yes
12:28:06 <Amita> bexelbie, I know there are few who got their talks accepted
12:28:11 <Amita> like pravins
12:28:18 <sumantro> bexelbie, we are planning for a Fedora booth. Rupali was informed already , siddharthvipul and me already did that
12:28:29 <siddharthvipul> not sure officially but I was talking to Rupali and she agreed to have a booth
12:28:33 <bexelbie> do we know what our goal with the booth is?  What do we need to be successful?
12:28:34 <siddharthvipul> I can ask her to confirm
12:28:37 <Amita> cool, sumantro nice to put that in ticket maybe
12:28:57 <bexelbie> This is a developer audience, how can we talk to them?
12:29:12 <sumantro> also, to add, there will be a IoT presence at fedora booth and modularity will be talked about
12:29:55 <bexelbie> sumantro, Amita can you all put the details in the ticket so we can make sure people know what is happening
12:30:04 <bexelbie> it sounds like we don't need budget for this, so that is great
12:30:04 <sumantro> yes sure bexelbie
12:30:16 <Amita> sure, thanks sumantro
12:30:37 <siddharthvipul> no budget (maybe swags to share) that sumantro can figure out XD
12:30:40 <Amita> It will be great if sumantro can take it up as I am most probably not visiting personally
12:30:58 <Amita> but I can help whatever I can do remotely
12:30:58 <bexelbie> sumantro, perhaps mark yourself as assigned?
12:31:07 <bexelbie> and if we need swag lets get that figured out ASAP
12:31:39 <sumantro> bexelbie, we might need $20(poster,banners) and some swags
12:31:53 <bexelbie> sumantro, ok, let's put it in the ticket and get it worked ok?
12:31:57 <bexelbie> that way we have details to act on
12:32:02 <sumantro> okay sure :)
12:32:16 <bexelbie> #topic [Fedora APAC]2017 Year in Review
12:32:18 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/293
12:32:24 <bexelbie> sumantro, did this get written?
12:33:19 <sumantro> bexelbie, nopes, its just half drafted, I am awaiting info from a ambassdors who havent replied back.. I think we can have the post anyway done
12:33:30 <sumantro> with all the data I have collected
12:33:35 <bexelbie> ok, cool, perhaps a link to the draft will get a few comments and some help
12:33:48 <sumantro> sure, will share shortly!
12:33:57 <bexelbie> #topic Request for funding: Document Freedom Day 2018 in Singapore
12:33:59 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/292
12:34:08 <bexelbie> looks like this one is like #296 - just needs to get closed
12:34:43 <bexelbie> can someone do that? I can't close tickets in this queue
12:34:49 <sumantro> done
12:34:54 <bexelbie> ty sumantro
12:34:57 <bexelbie> #topic Fedora t-shirts
12:35:01 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/291
12:35:09 <bexelbie> This one also looks complete and can be closed
12:35:19 <bexelbie> skamath isn't replying and can be helped when he does
12:35:39 <sumantro> done
12:35:47 <bexelbie> #topic Translation Sprint Phnom Penh 2017
12:35:48 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/284
12:36:02 <bexelbie> this ticket is the same thing - no response from the person who should have the money - assume it is there and reopen if it isn't
12:36:03 <bexelbie> ok?
12:36:07 <sumantro> bexelbie, yw :)
12:36:35 <sumantro> closing it for now?
12:36:50 <sumantro> and open on a need-to-know basis if ever occurs ?
12:37:07 <bexelbie> basically yes - close with a "reopen if this isn't really received" imho
12:37:12 <bexelbie> any objections?
12:37:17 <bexelbie> it's been open a long time
12:37:31 <Amita> no objection
12:37:45 <bexelbie> can you do the deed sumantro ?
12:37:59 <sumantro> done already bexelbie
12:38:00 <bexelbie> #topic story teller tickets
12:38:03 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/283
12:38:04 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/282
12:38:22 <sumantro> we still dont have one .... me sad
12:38:25 <bexelbie> looks like the only candidate was siddharthvipul ... I suggest we get siddharthvipul to start telling stories :D
12:38:40 <sumantro> bexelbie, :D
12:38:40 <bexelbie> I suspect if you start doing the work siddharthvipul no one is going to object :)
12:38:44 <bexelbie> siddharthvipul, wdyt?
12:39:44 <bexelbie> I suggest we close both tickets and encourage siddharthvipul to take the role
12:39:53 <sumantro> sure !
12:40:16 <bexelbie> hearing no objections, rolling forward :D
12:40:19 <bexelbie> #topic F27 Release Party Coimbatore , IN
12:40:27 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/281
12:40:42 <bexelbie> skamath has not answered this request for 4 months
12:40:46 <bexelbie> I know he got sick and is now busy
12:40:49 <siddharthvipul> bexelbie: sorry I was away
12:40:55 <bexelbie> I suggest we close and let him reopen if he wants to get reimbursed
12:40:59 <siddharthvipul> yes, I won't mind starting with it :)
12:41:02 <bexelbie> siddharthvipul, it's all good :D
12:41:07 <bexelbie> woot!
12:41:09 <bexelbie> siddharthvipul++
12:41:40 <siddharthvipul> :D
12:42:03 <bexelbie> sumantro, can you do the honors on this ticket too?
12:42:26 <siddharthvipul> bexelbie: sumantro I am sorry I will have to go away, have another meeting
12:42:30 <siddharthvipul> will read the logs :)
12:42:33 <bexelbie> siddharthvipul, it's cool
12:42:34 <bexelbie> :)
12:42:39 <siddharthvipul> thanks :D
12:42:45 <bexelbie> ok, last ticket time
12:42:46 <bexelbie> #topic Events in India
12:42:57 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/278
12:43:07 <sumantro> done bexelbie
12:43:14 <bexelbie> I know I sound like a broken record here ... but I suggest we close this.  We are moving forward on an event by event basis
12:43:30 <bexelbie> and the big swag conversation is going to happen (most likely) with the devconf ticket anyway
12:43:40 <sumantro> bexelbie, sure
12:43:46 <bexelbie> let's let pjp and the everyone go through design for designs and lets use that ticket as a forcing function
12:44:25 <bexelbie> that's all of the tickets then :)
12:44:26 <pjp> Yep
12:44:31 <bexelbie> #topic open floor
12:44:37 <bexelbie> I feel like we accomplished good things
12:44:42 <pjp> :)
12:44:46 <paragan_> bexelbie++
12:44:53 <pjp> bexelbie++
12:44:53 <zodbot> pjp: Karma for bex changed to 6 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:44:57 <bexelbie> sumantro++ for being ticket monkey :)
12:44:57 <zodbot> bexelbie: Karma for sumantro changed to 3 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:45:12 <sumantro> thanks bexelbie :)
12:45:17 <paragan_> sumantro++
12:45:19 <bexelbie> I'll work on the email to ambassadors and mindshare
12:45:28 <bexelbie> if someone wants to help, I'll do it in an etherpad, otherwise I"ll do it in vi
12:46:05 <bexelbie> we're over time ... any objections to closing?
12:46:13 <sumantro> bexelbie++ for hosting and ticket squashing :D
12:46:13 <zodbot> sumantro: Karma for bex changed to 7 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:46:15 <bexelbie> ping me if you want the etherpad address
12:46:31 <sumantro> bexelbie, pinging you right away!
12:46:42 <bexelbie> in that case, I'll put it here :D
12:46:58 <bexelbie> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/OQyl4J9aJ6
12:47:03 <bexelbie> #endmeeting