04:00:46 #startmeeting APAC Ambassadors meeting 2014-03-15 04:00:46 Meeting started Sat Mar 15 04:00:46 2014 UTC. The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:52 #meetingname APAC Ambassadors meeting 2014-03-15 04:00:52 The meeting name has been set to 'apac_ambassadors_meeting_2014-03-15' 04:01:02 #chair tuanta mpduty bochecha alick anshprat_ adimania_ 04:01:02 Current chairs: FranciscoD adimania_ alick anshprat_ bochecha mpduty tuanta 04:01:08 #topic Init process 04:01:15 .fas tuanta 04:01:16 .hellomynameis ankursinha 04:01:16 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:01:23 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 04:01:26 * bochecha waves 04:01:49 I am Mohan Prakash 04:01:57 I guess we can wait a few minutes, for late comers :) 04:02:14 .hellomynameis mohanprakash 04:02:15 FranciscoD: mohanprakash 'mohan prakash' 04:02:36 * FranciscoD looks to see if there's anyone from the China team around 04:02:41 that's not your name, FranciscoD :) 04:02:46 heh 04:02:50 XD 04:02:59 tuanta: do you think we need to change the meeting time to sync with the China team? 04:03:13 Hello, FranciscoD 04:03:19 I don't think so. 04:03:33 bochecha is also living in Hong Kong 04:03:37 hello botreynisa , please use one of the commands to identify yourself, just for the logs :) 04:03:52 tuanta, until May, yes 04:03:52 tuanta: ok, we'll discuss it in the open floor 04:04:00 Let's move on to actual work then 04:04:01 it is around noon in China 04:04:08 #topic Announcements 04:04:11 Anyone? 04:04:12 they just don't come 04:04:20 tuanta, it is exactly noon in China 04:04:28 #info Please use ! or ? to request a turn and EOF when you're done. 04:04:28 (all of China is UTC+8) 04:04:36 thanks bochecha 04:04:37 ! 04:04:40 tuanta: go 04:04:59 .fas zsun 04:05:00 zsun: zsun 'Zamir SUN' 04:05:01 I would like to introduce a very new Fedora community in Cambodia 04:05:14 sorry to be late. 04:05:22 zodbot: no worries at all :) 04:05:24 tuanta: go on 04:05:31 * harish apologies for the late connect. 04:05:33 botreynisa, can you introduce your self 04:06:05 * masta lurks 04:06:27 #chair masta harish zsun botreynisa 04:06:27 Current chairs: FranciscoD adimania_ alick anshprat_ bochecha botreynisa harish masta mpduty tuanta zsun 04:06:43 yes, thank q tuanta 04:06:49 FranciscoD: I'm from Chinese team. EOM. 04:06:51 we just had a successful work in FOSSASIA and Cambodia just stepped up 04:07:09 eof 04:07:43 tuanta: is there a wiki page that collects all the event reports from fossasia yet? 04:07:50 they even got a plan this year 04:07:51 my name Ban Botrey Nisa my companion here in Cambodia is somvannda (Somvannda Kong) 04:07:53 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget/Cambodia 04:08:09 tuanta: like this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive:FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/Reports_photos_and_presentations ? 04:08:28 reports are posted to Fedora Planet and in each Trac tickets 04:08:46 tuanta: I'll be good to collate them. It shows how good the event was :) 04:08:47 I 04:08:51 'll send out a mail 04:09:01 thanks FranciscoD 04:09:12 botreynisa: it's really good to have you here. Are you working with other Fedora teams yet? 04:10:08 botreynisa, welcome to Fedora. 04:10:15 #action FranciscoD create a wiki page for fossasia event reports and send out a mail asking attendees to update it with their posts 04:10:24 another announcement: 04:10:53 Flock registrations and talk proposals are now open 04:10:59 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2014-March/003202.html 04:11:02 ++ 04:11:09 eof 04:11:20 #info Flock registrations and talk proposals are now open 04:11:31 I don't think I have much to announce 04:11:35 any more announcements today? 04:11:48 Everyone's already aware of FAmSCo working on the "revoke" process 04:11:53 "revoke process' 04:12:13 Fedora.next is still a WIP. 04:12:30 The desktop wg has been discussing what DE, filesystem etc. it's going to use 04:12:35 It'll probably be Gnome 04:12:51 yes 04:13:08 if you want to checkout gnome 3.12, you can use the COPR repo they've set up http://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/ 04:13:25 #info Gnome 3.12 repo: http://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/ 04:13:35 it's pretty stable. I've been using it for a few weeks now 04:13:50 FranciscoD: thanks, that will be useful 04:13:57 If you want to check out dnf, they have a repo too: 04:14:15 #info dnf nightlies: http://jenkins.cloud.fedoraproject.org/job/DNF/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/fedora-20-x86_64-build/ 04:14:41 #info dnf nightly repo file: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/85592/39485685 04:14:47 * FranciscoD tries to think of anything else 04:14:50 oh! 04:15:02 #info the websites team is working on the new website 04:15:04 * FranciscoD goes to find a link 04:15:35 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/248#comment:23 04:15:48 this is a mock up: http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/getfedora/ 04:15:56 * FranciscoD thinks it looks awesome 04:16:21 QA has been discussing stuff too, but I cant think of anything worth announcing at the moment 04:16:22 +1 FranciscoD 04:16:32 looks awesome 04:16:39 Same with marketing. I haven't been able to attend the recent meetings, though. 04:16:46 EOF for me 04:17:00 Oh! One more: 04:17:23 #info GSOC is in its initial phase. Tell your friends! Fedora is looking for people! 04:17:32 now EOF 04:17:37 FranciscoD, Thank q; yes we were applying to become ambassadors and from a great help from tuanta and gnokii we organized a scheduled for 2014 04:18:00 botreynisa: sounds good. If you need help, just file a ticket or drop us an e-mail. 04:18:03 tuanta: next topic? 04:18:10 yes, move on please 04:18:19 #topic Trac tickets 04:18:29 If everyone could please refer to report 9: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 04:18:54 dramsey isn't here, so we'll do the tokyo events later 04:19:11 +1 FranciscoD 04:19:29 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/82 -> Let the CC holder pick a fixed period as "reimbursement day" 04:19:40 can you see KageSenshi around? 04:19:45 no, he isn't here either 04:20:13 But he just needs to pick the period. The ambassadors need to agree that this should be done. 04:20:46 The idea is that instead of izhar keeping an eye on tickets all the time, he'll just check tickets at a specified time 04:20:46 FranciscoD, tuanta and gnokii been helping us on that 04:21:14 So, if he decides to do it once in two weeks, everyone that needs reimbursement should file their receipts and then wait for that assigned day 04:21:28 It'll just make it a little easier for the CC holder 04:21:43 And it'll keep people from commenting on tickets with "any updates on this?" 04:21:49 #chair somvannda 04:21:50 Current chairs: FranciscoD adimania_ alick anshprat_ bochecha botreynisa harish masta mpduty somvannda tuanta zsun 04:22:10 thanks FranciscoD 04:22:10 I'm +1 for the ticket, since I filed it in the first place. 04:22:23 Please do leave your comments on it when you have the time 04:22:39 yes, we should work more on the Trac 04:22:48 then go for voting in the next meeting 04:22:55 Yeah. 04:23:09 ok, next then? 04:23:11 #action ALL APAC: comment on ticket #82 04:23:42 #info https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/121 -> shipping fee to send swag to Cambodia 04:24:12 tuanta: Not much to discuss here. +1 from me. 04:24:34 Please read the ticket and then reply with a +1/-1 04:24:39 can i give +1 too? 04:24:43 (reply here I mean) 04:24:49 somvannda: yes :) 04:24:50 i can ship some swag to Cambodia. Need advise on their local tax situation. 04:25:23 ah, botreynisa and somvannda are here harish . They should be able to answer your queries. Should I keep this for open floor? 04:25:28 harish: please send via FedEx, or DHL or EMS it would be okay, they can clear with the custom 04:26:00 harish, EMS is cheaper in Vietnam so I sent via EMS 04:26:02 i know that can happen, but there have been times even shipment to Philippines got stuck because of taxes. 04:26:40 Let's vote on the ticket and we can discuss this after we're done with the other tickets 04:26:49 +1s? 04:26:53 harish: according to experience of my friend who works for google and mozilla, their swag are okay. 04:26:57 shipping via the usual couriers is definitely possible most everywhere but there are fine details that gets us tripped over. 04:26:58 yes, harish, we got a lot of issues in shipping and tax in APAC 04:27:36 so, please do highlight tax issue so that i can anticipate that and perhaps pay for it first instead of the recipient bearing the cost. 04:27:37 FranciscoD: I am +1 04:27:59 tuanta harish botreynisa mpduty ? 04:28:04 +1 from my side 04:28:06 zsun ? 04:28:11 +1 04:28:12 +1 from my side 04:28:35 That's +5/-0 04:28:39 +1 from me (just for recording) 04:28:52 #agreed Approve ticket #121 (+6/-0) 04:29:02 #action FranciscoD mark ticket #121 as approved 04:29:33 #info https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/123 -> materials and travel subsidy for somvannda to join barcamp siem reap 2014 04:29:58 The requirement is $150 04:30:39 please read the ticket, i will explain more if you need more info 04:30:40 Looks good to me. tuanta : I assume we have money to fund this? 04:31:01 somvannda: do check this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/For_Ambassadors/Fedora20 04:31:04 now we are in FY2015, but the budget plan has not been approved yet 04:31:15 we can use FY2014 budget for this 04:31:26 tuanta: ok, as long as we have money to fund them, it's OK 04:31:43 FranciscoD: thank you :) 04:32:08 Let's vote on it then 04:32:10 +1 04:32:33 +1 04:32:38 +1 04:32:38 somvannda, I sent you some stickers 04:32:44 is that enough? 04:32:51 or you need to print more? 04:32:52 The *one* issue is that the transfer is to be done by western union. izhar opened another ticket to discuss that. 04:32:57 +1 04:32:57 please check them first 04:33:03 * FranciscoD wishes paypal would work everywhere 04:33:17 they would be a arrived this weekend, I think 04:33:33 * harish for that to be the case, FranciscoD, in some places the laws have to change. 04:33:48 also, you already have got standees (from gnokii) right? 04:34:07 harish: yeah, unfortunately 04:34:11 * harish perhaps cryptocurrencies like bitcoin etc. 04:34:13 I sent you both stickers and flyers, somvannda 04:34:24 harish: I doubt RH will agree to use bitcoin as a payment method 04:34:25 tuanta: Im afraid it will be out of the swag since there will be more than 100 people to join Open House Phnom Penh 2014 04:34:38 specially with their exchanges failing and getting hacked etc 04:34:41 tuanta, i can send stuff. let me check what we have left. 04:35:07 harish, you can send to Cambodia? 04:35:24 tuanta: i have 2 stand banners here :) we will bring it along 04:35:26 FranciscoD, yeah, RH is not considering bitcoin types. but need to keep that in mind. 04:35:34 tuanta, yes, i can send. 04:35:40 FranciscoD: I think RH will not support bitcon since it is not legally supported in some countries 04:35:42 thanks, harish :) 04:35:59 s/bitcon/bitcoin 04:36:04 if harish could send more swags to Cambodia, so then I dont have to print them again, we will use it for BarCamp Siem Reap 04:36:20 somvannda, just curious about swag budget in your Siem Reap's ticket 04:36:24 personally 04:37:04 somvannda, please email me your mailing details etc. 04:37:06 can you break down estimation cost for stickers, flyers and media in that 04:37:36 * FranciscoD checks the clock: 37 minuts 04:37:57 I vote a tentative +1, then come back to #123 ticket later when somvannda breaks down swag budget 04:38:32 ok 04:38:42 that's +5/-0 for at the moment 04:39:00 #agreed ticket #123 tentatively approved 04:39:03 tuanta: should i breaks down here? or modify in the ticket? 04:39:13 #action FranciscoD mark ticket as approved 04:39:14 tenative +1 from me 04:39:18 somvannda: ticket will be preferred 04:39:20 somvannda, you should post a new comment 04:39:24 that way everything is documented 04:39:37 harish: My mailing is House #9B, Street 466, Sangkat Tunle Bassac, Khan Chamkarmorn, Phnom Penh, Cambodia 04:39:43 okay 04:39:59 somvannda: er, e-mail him privately. You just put your address oon the internet 04:40:05 be careful with these things 04:40:07 ! 04:40:10 all meetings are logged 04:40:12 botreynisa: go 04:40:14 +1 here for ticket 04:40:15 lol 04:40:24 eof 04:40:34 botreynisa: ah, great. that makes in +6 04:40:48 mpduty: is there anything to discuss about your ticket? 04:40:54 * harish my email h dot pillay at redhat dot com 04:41:22 not much just an information about what we are thinking here 04:41:35 mpduty: okay, I'll bring it up in open floor then 04:41:37 harish: so to clarify, will you be able to send some swags? because I can reduce the budget in my ticket to produce it here.. 04:41:40 so we can have a proper discussion 04:42:00 somvannda, you should note harish's email address and drop him an email after this meeting 04:42:00 somvannda, yes, i need to check to see what i have. 04:42:05 #info https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/122 -> western union/moneygram transfer charges and its effect on apac budget 04:42:34 tuanta: like izhar says, it costs about 60$ extra for him to reimburse uddinet's $616 04:42:51 yes, it is a really bid deal in APAC right now :( 04:42:56 tuanta: one thing we could do is to keep a "transfer charge" buffer 04:43:05 maybe a couple of 100$? 04:43:09 it would be a huge lost :( 04:43:21 i would suggest a range between 5-10% 04:43:29 I mean, there isn't much we can do about it. 04:43:34 $30 for transferring $60, e.g., 04:43:39 yes, these middlemen are scamming us. 04:43:54 hence the attraction of the crypto currencies. 04:44:07 there was another website similar to paypal 04:44:09 let me check 04:44:20 MoneyBooker? 04:44:25 something like that 04:44:26 skrill 04:44:30 https://www.skrill.com/en/ 04:44:32 it would be a good idea, FranciscoD 04:44:44 but we'll need to check what countries it works in 04:45:06 i'm sure they'll have a transfer charge too 04:45:13 but it may be less than the others 04:45:27 so, we should call to all countries, if they can not receive money via PayPal, they should propose some other alternatives 04:45:46 tuanta: well, I already did send out that mail requesting people to update the list 04:45:59 most people that can't use paypal just default to western union etc 04:46:05 how about bank transfers (SWIFT) as harish did before? 04:46:08 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement/Preferred_Payment_Methods#Table 04:46:11 tuanta: costs money 04:46:15 and that's a request that has been done many times before. 04:46:19 I send uddinet money last time 04:46:30 cost me 30-40$ from my own pocket 04:46:30 :/ 04:46:31 some bank transfers incur no cost but it is very variable. 04:46:38 example: 04:47:12 FranciscoD, we should list some options to people then they can choose 04:47:18 in singapore, if you want to send money to India via the Indian bank ICICI it is free. from SG to IN. 04:47:33 tuanta: i'd prefer they went around and looked 04:47:49 i mean, they want to receive money, so they should do the work ;) 04:47:51 yes, these are so variable and special offers come and go. 04:48:12 harish: is RH okay with bank transfers? 04:48:13 but I don't think there is any problem with pay pal in India 04:48:14 good news, harish 04:48:18 mpduty: not in India, no 04:48:24 :) 04:48:34 but you need to withdraw the funds within a week or something 04:48:40 adimania_ had mentioned something 04:48:52 FranciscoD, yes, no issue with bank transfers. 04:48:57 That's good to hear 04:49:21 So, basically, paypal is preferred, and if that doesn't work, people need to find other alternatives 04:49:24 Some of which are: 04:49:24 yes, but I prefer leave that money in my PayPal account for other spends 04:49:24 skrill 04:49:40 tuanta: different countries have different regulations 04:49:49 western union/money gram (apparently expensive) 04:49:51 one of the contributing factors for my delays in reimbursement was that i was going around - literally visiting the banks in Singapore - to see what rates they have and any special options. 04:50:09 back transfers -> may or may not cost money 04:50:19 harish: yeah, but i think that's too much work for the CC holder 04:50:27 yep. 04:50:40 even for Western union, izhar said he'll have to go down physically and do it 04:50:45 ! harish i have just sent you an email 04:50:47 and they may not accept CC charge' 04:50:53 but with a "small" budget, we get nick and dimed and it mounts. 04:50:59 somvannda, thanks. 04:51:21 but with a "small" budget, we get nickle and dimed and it mounts. 04:51:40 KageSenshi just use CC, he can not use his pocket :) 04:51:43 #action ALL APAC: comment on ticket #122 and provide alternative ways of receiving money 04:51:50 #undo 04:51:50 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by FranciscoD at 04:51:43 : ALL APAC: comment on ticket #122 and provide alternative ways of receiving money 04:51:51 somvannda, got it. 04:52:03 #action ALL APAC: comment on ticket #122 and provide alternative ways of receiving money -> provide the *cheapest* method 04:52:06 better 04:52:17 +1 FranciscoD 04:52:44 #action ALL APAC: update table with *cheapest* method https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement/Preferred_Payment_Methods#Table 04:53:00 fine, last ticket for the day is more of a discussion than a budget request 04:53:22 #info https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/124 -> popularize Fedora in Jharkhand 04:53:32 mpduty: ah, I think someone from ISM dhanbad mailed me the other day 04:53:39 I'll get you in touch with him. 04:53:53 that will be good 04:54:08 #action FranciscoD get "Ashish" in touch with mpduty 04:54:14 get it 04:54:27 mpduty: you can help him become a Fedora contributor, and he can help you with your project too 04:54:47 mpduty: why don't you tell us what you're planning to do? 04:54:49 in short? 04:54:59 visiting rural areas 04:55:14 mobilising interested people 04:55:26 okay, but elaborate on "rural areas" 04:55:29 organising workshops on regular intervals 04:55:35 you mean schools in rural areas? 04:55:37 villages 04:55:40 or just people? 04:55:47 as in, people who have computers 04:55:47 yes schools and other institutions 04:55:57 or are you planning to help them set up computers too? 04:56:09 the r-pi could be something you can look at 04:56:12 I have no ideas about India areas 04:56:17 yes helping them install fedora 04:56:24 tuanta: luckily I'm from Jharkhand too ;) 04:56:32 cool :) 04:56:43 you know the situation here 04:56:45 mpduty: you'll probably get a better idea once you start going down to these places 04:56:52 you'll understand the issues better 04:57:02 I have already visited 04:57:21 but I'll be totally for helping these schools set up systems using the r-pi, so they can at lesat access the internet to start with 04:57:22 We have set up a centre in Hensalong, Chandil with four computers from a donor 04:57:36 mpduty: ah great, so that didn't cost you anything. Nice 04:57:41 when you do write up something, do state how the effort will be sustained *after* the event. 04:57:51 sure 04:57:54 the r-pi was 25$ each, the last time I checked 04:58:01 I have some queries however 04:58:06 mpduty: ask away 04:58:18 the one issue with rpi is that it only has HDMI output, which older monitors don't have 04:58:24 Does the event owner have to be an ambassador? 04:58:45 then would you suggest someone? 04:58:51 mpduty: well, not necessarily, but there should be a fedora ambassador around if reimbursement is required 04:59:13 i mean, we can't just give everyone money. We'd love to, but it isn't practical 04:59:13 then could you suggest someone for future? 04:59:23 mpduty: I'd suggest you quickly become one 04:59:35 I'm not aware of anyone in that area 04:59:41 FranciscoD, look at getting these http://www.amazon.com/A-Sonic-HDMI-HD15-Male-Cable/dp/B001OLCHJ6 <- hdmi to vga 04:59:44 well then you have to be my mentor :) :) 04:59:55 mpduty: who's your mentor at the moment? 05:00:02 no one 05:00:06 .fasinfo mpduty 05:00:09 tuanta: User "mpduty" doesn't exist 05:00:09 i can help you, but officially the mentor has to give the green signal 05:00:17 .fasinfo mohanprakash 05:00:19 FranciscoD: User: mohanprakash, Name: mohan prakash, email: mpduty@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-12-27, IRC Nick: mpd, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active 05:00:22 FranciscoD: Unapproved Groups: l10n-editor l10n-commits marketing 05:00:25 FranciscoD: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca 05:00:41 he has not applied to Ambassadors group yet 05:00:48 I had 05:00:57 Shakthi Kanan was my mentor 05:00:59 there is only one mentor in India now, Kushal 05:01:08 I sent him a mail 05:01:10 Shakthi has left 05:01:19 he hasn't replied yet 05:01:20 then you can contact to Kushal 05:01:30 I had sent him a mail 05:01:33 tuanta: would you have time to take him up? I can mentor him unofficially and send you reports and stuff? 05:01:40 he hasn't replied yet 05:01:41 (sort of outsourcing I mean) 05:02:17 I have not any ideas about India ;( 05:02:28 tuanta: which is why I'll mentor him and send you reports :) 05:02:49 You got to increase mentors in India 05:02:52 FranciscoD, do you think we should have more mentors in India? 05:02:56 but since I'm not an "official" mentor, I can't do updates on the trac ticket or approve his ambassadorship 05:02:58 as I see ambassador group is invite only now 05:03:21 yes thats another issue 05:03:22 now, only Kushal available 05:03:36 mpduty: what is the issue? 05:03:46 tuanta: I really don't know. As far as I see it, the mentor only needs to flip the switch to "YES". 05:03:55 the community can always mentor people 05:04:08 which is why I keep requesting famsco to make all candidates join fedora-join 05:04:11 I have just started my mentoring job 05:04:14 a lot of work 05:04:14 you don't perhaps apply for ambassadorship, but only get invites (perhaps) 05:04:24 i havent heard from fasmco at all about this 05:04:38 at the moment, the community doest even get to know of a candidate 05:04:41 since almost your mentees are as a white paper 05:04:49 which is not the best way of doing things 05:05:13 Indian needs a mentor in India 05:05:28 i like the way infra does things: all of the infra team gets to know if theres a candidate 05:05:33 so now, mpduty has only one choice, Kushal 05:05:39 ! 05:05:44 somvannda: go on 05:05:47 Could you ask Kushal to help me please since he is not replying to my mail 05:06:13 He stays at Bangalore, I suppose 05:06:19 I was just wanna ask about how about my and nisa's ambassadorship ? 05:06:23 well, if people have to contact the mentor etc and get them to reply, we probably need another mentor tuanta 05:06:47 somvannda: you're being mentored, right? You'll be approved when your mentor thinks you've learnt enough :) 05:06:49 somvannda, I just posted a new comment on Trac 05:07:05 I am his mentor, FranciscoD :) 05:07:09 hehe 05:07:11 aye :) 05:07:15 tuanta is my mentor 05:07:36 i learn from day to day :) 05:07:44 tuanta: could you please contact Kushal for me? 05:08:08 mpduty, please drop him another email and cc to me 05:08:15 I will nag him more 05:08:27 tuanta: ok that will be done 05:09:12