04:01:32 #startmeeting APAC 2013 07 20 04:01:32 Meeting started Sat Jul 20 04:01:32 2013 UTC. The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:01:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:01:42 #meetingname APAC meeting 2013-07-20 04:01:42 The meeting name has been set to 'apac_meeting_2013-07-20' 04:01:48 #chair suresht tuanta kushal KageSenshi 04:01:48 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi kushal suresht tuanta 04:01:56 #topic Init process 04:01:58 .fas tuanta 04:01:59 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:02:01 #chair sentabi_ 04:02:01 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi kushal sentabi_ suresht tuanta 04:02:03 .fas suresht 04:02:04 suresht: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' 04:02:09 .fas kushal 04:02:10 kushal: kush4l 'Kushal Sakurdeep' - kushal124 'Kushal Khandelwal' - kushalkaur 'Kushal Kaur Sardar' - kmrkushal 'kumar kushal' - spallion 'kushal kant goyal' - kushal119 'kushal J. Gujarati' - kushal 'Kushal Das' - babai 'Kushal Das' - (1 more message) 04:02:14 .hellomynameis ankursinha 04:02:26 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 04:02:28 I do the same mistake everytime :( 04:02:37 .hellomynameis kushal 04:02:38 * tuanta reading kushal info :) 04:02:39 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 04:02:58 * FranciscoD waits for any one else 04:03:13 KageSenshi appears to be missing. Or hiding. 04:03:58 OK. Moving on. 04:04:23 Please use !,?,eof as usual. 04:04:37 #topic Announcements 04:04:48 more like, was finishing up this one anime episode .. 04:04:50 .fas izhar 04:04:51 KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' 04:05:01 .fas nanthang 04:05:02 FranciscoD: 'nanthang' Not Found! 04:05:04 .fas nangthang 04:05:05 nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' 04:05:09 hi 04:05:10 ah 04:05:33 I don't think I have any announcements. 04:05:41 F20 is on. Work has already begun. 04:05:58 #info The docs team can use a lot of help right now, tracking the new features that will need to be documented. 04:06:45 #info The marketing team can also use quite a bit of help. 04:07:03 You know how to contact them, if you have queries, feel free to ask 04:07:04 .fas mribeirodantas 04:07:04 mribeirodantas: mribeirodantas 'Marcel Ribeiro Dantas' 04:07:05 eof 04:07:07 * mribeirodantas Brazil 04:07:27 tuanta: Any announcements from FAmSCo? 04:07:33 yes 04:07:35 Any announcements from folks going to Flock? 04:07:38 tuanta: go 04:07:49 the new FAmSCo term has been started 04:08:31 sesivany has been elected as FAmSCo chair again 04:08:45 and aeperezt was appointed to vice chair 04:09:10 I have myself started another new role: FAMA 04:09:51 regarding to Flock, It seems only me from APAC to attend. 04:09:55 tuanta: could you also please announce the thing about FADs? That link to the mail would be sufficient. 04:10:02 do you know anyone else? 04:10:05 I think kushal is attending too. 04:10:14 Not sure though 04:10:28 * FranciscoD looks at kushal 04:10:45 yes, about FADs, the funding process is a bit clearer 04:10:55 FranciscoD, yes, I am going 04:11:18 you can see here: 04:11:23 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2013-July/001390.html 04:11:39 This is important information. Please bookmark that link. 04:11:41 if you want to organize a *real* FAD, please consider to read it 04:11:41 eof 04:11:45 ! 04:11:48 suresht: go 04:12:04 before moveing on, we need to rememberour own Seth Vidal 04:12:06 great, kushal. Nice to see you again there :) 04:12:13 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2013-July/003174.html 04:12:16 tuanta, :) 04:12:35 eof 04:12:45 +1 suresht 04:12:49 suresht: ++. We're all greatly saddened by what happened. 04:13:13 Personally, I had a tough time the next few days. 04:13:19 A few announcements about that: 04:13:30 #info the board is considering dedicating F20 to Seth 04:13:39 +1 04:13:41 +1 04:13:52 #info there will probably be an event dedicated to Seth at Flock also. A cycling event from what I read on the fudcon-planning list. 04:14:04 If you're going to flock, please participate :) 04:14:17 eof 04:14:17 sure, FranciscoD 04:14:31 If there aren't any more announcements, I can move to the next topic 04:14:51 ! 04:15:12 tuanta: go 04:15:31 we have not finished process to select a CC holder in APAC yet 04:15:43 will back to this topic in Open Floor 04:15:46 eof 04:16:10 tuanta: Won't that have to wait until Ruth and Robyn are done with flock? I think they're *pretty* busy with it. 04:16:38 lets continue this in Open Floor 04:16:41 Sure 04:16:44 * FranciscoD notes 04:16:49 Next topic then. 04:16:52 it's related to kuhsal 04:17:10 kushal, hope you will be until the end of the meeting 04:17:17 #topic Review actions from previous meeting 04:17:19 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-06-22#Review_action_items_from_last_meeting 04:17:34 There isn't much here. 04:17:41 udinnet isn't here. 04:18:04 I know KageSenshi hasn't bought the lightsabers yet. 04:18:11 -_-" 04:18:20 Buddhike isn't here so ticket 70 will not be discussed. 04:18:23 aint the verdict is .. creditcard for RH employee? xD .. 04:18:46 KageSenshi: if you promise light sabers, I'll vote for you ;) 04:18:51 lol 04:18:52 okay, next topic then 04:19:16 #topic Trac tickets 04:19:19 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-06-22#Trac_tickets 04:19:27 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 04:20:12 First: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/88 -> Release party in Hanoi, Vietnam 04:21:30 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Hanoi 04:21:43 I myself no reason to stop it 04:21:45 Requirement is $75 04:21:57 yes, it's in budget 04:22:00 Looks good to me too. 04:22:24 nangthang: tuanta : will you need more funds for the swag bit? 04:22:50 for my event in Can Tho? 04:23:06 tuanta: for the release party 04:23:21 ah, the break up has it mentioned 04:23:32 the main organizer is nangthang 04:23:39 ! 04:23:42 Sorry. The "Media and swag would be produced separately " part confused me. 04:23:42 I just support him 04:23:45 nangthang: go 04:24:17 yes, we're going to organize F19 release party next week 04:24:53 any questions for nangthang? 04:25:00 Not from me 04:25:01 +1 04:25:06 or go to vote? 04:25:44 nangthang: DVDs & lables: 300,000 VND (about $15), is that enough? 04:25:47 do you need more? 04:26:10 how many DVD would be produced? 04:26:47 nangthang_: DVDs & lables: 300,000 VND (about $15), is that enough? do you need more? how many DVD would be produced? 04:27:01 sorry, i 've just been disconnected 04:27:32 nangthang_: please go with my questions! 04:27:59 (we do have two important issues to discuss in open floor) 04:28:06 yes, I will produce about 50 DVDs including labels 04:28:30 it costs about $15 04:29:01 any more questions? 04:29:03 eof 04:29:15 Let's vote. It's clear and simple really. 04:29:17 please go to vote 04:29:21 +1 04:29:24 +1 04:29:28 +1 04:29:38 ping kushal suresht 04:29:59 ping KageSenshi sentabi_ 04:30:13 +1 here 04:30:21 +1 :) 04:30:45 That's a +5/-0, so approved I guess 04:30:48 have we reached quorum, FranciscoD? 04:30:59 yes,+1 FranciscoD 04:31:09 #agreed Approved nangthang 's request for funds for a release party 04:31:21 #action FranciscoD update ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/88 04:31:23 +1 04:31:27 :) 04:31:29 sorry for being late 04:31:33 thanks :) 04:31:43 FranciscoD typing so fast :) 04:31:43 Next: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/84 04:31:54 "Travel Subsidies for Fedora 19 Release Party in Can Tho, Vietnam" 04:32:06 ah, my ticket 04:32:07 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Cantho 04:32:19 Request: 22-$ 04:32:23 er 220$ 04:32:49 tuanta: banner is a generic banner, or one specific to the event? 04:32:56 I just got a confirmation from Can Tho university that they can only available from 12 of August 04:33:00 It's already been approved though.. 04:33:24 so I need to have your approves for that date change 04:33:25 tuanta suggested it be re-discussed since the dates have changed. 04:33:48 I will travel to Can Tho on 24th of August 04:33:56 after Flock 04:34:12 (just back from Flock on about 14th of August) 04:34:21 tuanta: The event seems OK to me. 04:34:26 any questions? 04:34:29 Doesn't matter if it isnt' a release party. 04:34:36 Just call it a "Fedora event" 04:34:47 or a "Fedora meetup" as you suggest. 04:34:56 yes, it could be Release Party or whatever 04:35:14 just an opportunity fo spread Fedora more 04:35:19 no cool name anymore :( 04:35:24 to have more chances to get more contributors 04:35:41 great tuanta 04:35:47 KageSenshi, any suggestion? 04:35:52 Still got my +1. In fact, since it's going to be during school time now. 04:36:00 tuanta, sadly, still have no idea 04:36:03 it's going to be even better. 04:36:31 how about "Fedora Introduction @ Mekong Delta area"? 04:36:43 i'm very happy fedora event organize in my hometown 04:36:53 hello vanhonit :) 04:37:11 hello tuanta 04:37:14 .fas vanhonit 04:37:16 FranciscoD: vanhonit 'Hon Nguyen Van' 04:37:23 #chair vanhonit 04:37:23 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi kushal sentabi_ suresht tuanta vanhonit 04:37:26 vanhonit is a new approved Ambassador 04:37:31 Ah! Great! 04:37:35 he would help me to organize that event 04:37:38 i'm new Ambassador 04:37:56 welcome vanhonit 04:37:58 tuanta: do you want us to vote on your event again? 04:38:03 then I hope he can follow all up next times 04:38:20 FranciscoD: honestly, I am not sure 04:38:29 if it is necessary, please go 04:38:31 It's already approved. 04:38:49 then a comment for date change are enough? 04:38:54 #info If anyone has reservations about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Cantho, please comment on the ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/84 04:39:09 tuanta: yep. 04:39:18 ok, thanks! 04:39:40 Last, but doesn't need discussion: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/87 04:39:48 Please comment with your ideas 04:39:54 "Contents of a event box for APAC" 04:40:15 yes, please go and comment 04:40:29 Open floor then 04:40:35 #topic Open floor 04:40:44 tuanta: yours, about the cc 04:41:06 yes, my turn :) 04:41:19 tuanta: if you finish quickly, I'll want to clarify the "FAD" in Indonesia. 04:41:48 we got another stuck in selecting CC holder in APAC 04:42:00 yups, please clarify that 'FAD' :) or we must use different name 04:42:17 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/333#comment:8 04:42:47 although we nominated KageSenshi 04:42:59 rsuehle and OSAS prefer a Red Hat employee 04:43:16 (it'll be more convenient with the paper work etc.) 04:43:39 after a short discussion, we nominate Shakthimaan 04:44:00 however, when I contacted to him, he refused 04:44:28 then introduce his colleague who also works at Red Hat 04:44:36 and he's Kushal 04:44:38 :) 04:44:51 +1 04:44:57 ++ 04:44:58 now I hope to hear your ideas, comments, especially from kushal 04:45:05 +1 great 04:45:06 I vote for 2 credit cards ;) 04:45:13 ping kushal 04:45:24 FranciscoD: I am all for that way :) 04:45:37 tuanta: you can have 2 cards linked to the same account, right? 04:45:50 I am not sure :) 04:46:17 I think kushal and mbuf will have to discuss this and decide how to go through with it. 04:46:32 ping kushal 04:46:39 are you available here? 04:46:59 lets continue to discuss this later vi email 04:47:03 tuanta: maybe add him to the ticket and request for comment? 04:47:05 s/vi/via 04:47:22 let me send him a personal email first 04:47:29 Ok. Great. 04:47:57 #action tuanta to send a personal email to invite kushal to take CC holder for APAC 04:48:06 next, please. 04:48:11 Ok. 04:48:36 This is a slightly more important issue. I'll lay out the facts. sentabi_ please correct me if I go wrong. 04:48:44 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Klaten,_Indonesia_2013 04:48:56 1. The event is named a "FAD" but 04:49:08 a. The goal is to build an IT village 04:49:27 b. There is no or very little fedora related activity happening here 04:49:44 Therefore, in my view, it isn't a FAD at all. 04:49:58 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_-_FAD 04:50:05 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_organize_a_FAD 04:50:24 2. The event has already happened 04:50:32 It was not approved before hand. 04:50:40 The budget is 1500$ 04:50:55 IMO, there are few fedora related things... so this is not FAD.. 04:51:25 and budget is too high. 04:51:27 sentabi_: Does the fedora-indonesia community understand why this event should not have happened expecting fedora budget? 04:51:28 eof 04:51:30 * KageSenshi nods 04:52:08 first I'm not too clear about FAD since I never held/attend FAD before :) 04:52:12 suresht: IFAIS, they used Fedora only 04:52:23 * FranciscoD lets sentabi take the floor 04:52:39 from the wiki FAD : ..... gather together in order to work on specific tasks related to the Fedora Project 04:53:31 to held FAD, we must contribute to Fedora Project, such as coding related or something else? 04:53:32 tuanta, sorry 04:53:54 because I'm not clear about these 'specific task', 04:54:02 sentabi_: if you read the "how to organize a FAD", it specifies that a FAD is for contributors. 04:54:03 kushal: lets discuss later, after this topic 04:54:09 ok 04:54:13 It's where you get contributors together and handle a specific task 04:54:17 for example: a docs sprint 04:54:19 or a packaging sprint 04:54:27 or an anaconda code hack 04:54:55 e.g. and infrastructure, ambassadors regional planning, etc 04:55:03 sentabi_: it's okay to have outsiders in it, but the main goal has to be something to do with Fedora 04:55:44 A FAD generally has a free walk in where others can come in and have a look and even participate if they are interested. 04:56:12 1.b : I don't think so, because we want to have more people contribute to Fedora project, but maybe not coding related, 04:56:30 and we'll use Fedora for the OS 04:56:57 sentabi_: using fedora for the OS is good. 04:57:12 I just don't think it's worth 1500$ :/ 04:57:15 To put it bluntly 04:57:25 and we'll teach student using Fedora, 04:57:27 FAD is not specific for coding only, it's for all Fedora activities 04:57:38 sentabi_: all of that has been done by ambassadors for a long time 04:57:44 for the budget I'm still not clear :) and we can change that later 04:57:48 If I might add a bit -- a FAD is not about *using* Fedora, a FAD is about *solving one particular problem* in Fedora 04:58:05 #chair jsmith 04:58:05 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi jsmith kushal sentabi_ suresht tuanta vanhonit 04:58:06 just not for encouraging to use Fedora 04:58:13 Planning for how to solve that problem, getting the right people in the right place to solve that problem, and then reporting on what was done 04:58:33 sentabi_: We'd like to support the event, but I cannot see you getting a 1500$ budget for this. 04:58:34 It's an *engineering* effort, not a recruiting effort 04:58:37 jsmith, not just using fedora, but teach the student , and people from goverment how to use Fedora and tell them how to contribute to Fedora Project 04:58:43 Firstly, the event was not approved. 04:59:02 +1 jsmith. your last sentence clears all up 04:59:03 sentabi_: you're at the start of that chain. When you get to the contributing part, you do a FAD. Until then, you do simple ambassador events. 04:59:17 FranciscoD, as I said that budget not fixed yet, I'll ask yogi (jurang dankal) about the budget. 04:59:26 the recruiting step stays as simple Fedora events, which have much smaller budgets 04:59:35 (which we readily approve, as you'll see above) 04:59:56 as I said before, [11:41] yups, please clarify that 'FAD' :) or we must use different name 05:00:01 sentabi_: you've seen the mails that we've had. Yogi assumes Fedora will reimburse 1500$. 05:00:07 sentabi_: it is definitely not a FAD 05:00:17 sentabi_: it's seems your event page bit out of scope of fedora but we need more events and we have enought funding (but not too hight)so put more related to fedora things alike FranciscoD says... 05:00:17 And I doubt you'll get a 1500$ budget for this event either. 05:00:34 sentabi_: you can do many things to recruite more contributors, then wehn you have got enough ones and have some specific tasks need to get done, you start organizing a FAD 05:00:48 As a simple Fedora starter event, we try to find locations where stuff like internet are readily available 05:00:59 is that clear, sentabi_? 05:01:04 most of the events we organize in India needs only travel budget for speakers, zero budget for anything else :) 05:01:08 sentabi_: the other issue is that the event happened *without* approval. 05:01:10 kushal: ++ 05:01:16 can I tell you again, if that budget not fixed yet, and let's not focus on the budget only 05:01:26 sentabi_: Yogi says it's already been spent. 05:01:40 That puts us in a very odd position, which is my primary concern. 05:02:19 sentabi_: maybe, it's not fixed, it should not be different too much between estimated cost ($1,500) and actual cost 05:02:27 I'll confirm with him, because I don't know about the budget. 05:02:52 and how about using another name for this 'FAD'??? 05:03:03 sentabi_: it was a "Fedora setup event" 05:03:23 ^^ which is supposed to be almost always free 05:03:26 of cost 05:03:27 please give suggestion, but not judge 05:03:58 sentabi_: the FAD/not FAD issue only comes up when you need to see how to reimburse the funds 05:04:04 we open for suggestion, since I'm the only one who can attend this meeting 05:04:15 (since we can't reimburse for premier events) 05:04:40 sentabi_: What kind of suggestions are you looking for? The event has already happened. :/ 05:05:04 The one suggestion is to start small. 05:05:23 for the name of that event, for example 05:05:36 sentabi_: a "Fedora setup event" 05:05:41 It's a generic event. 05:05:45 There isn't a special name for it. 05:06:15 I have to go now 05:06:19 yes, the event already happen and will end at July, 28 05:06:43 Fedora setup event ? I dony think that name fit for the event 05:06:44 kushal, lets discuss on email 05:06:49 tuanta, ok :) 05:06:52 sentabi_: Aye. We'll keep an eye on it. Please limit your expenditures. I cannot guarantee that oyu'll get all your money. 05:06:53 I have to go outside too 05:07:00 because this not only about setting up fedora 05:07:15 sentabi_: IT set up at <> if you want. 05:07:34 sentabi_: issue being, Fedora cannot pay for setting up IT at places. Not in our scope. 05:08:00 lets wrap it up. We're 1hour+ already. 05:08:16 oke then, I'm done. 05:08:16 sentabi_: We'll keep an eye on it, see how it goes. 05:08:24 we'll talk in email 05:08:29 Sure. 05:08:35 thanks 05:08:37 :) 05:08:38 suresht: can you please send out the logs again :) 05:08:46 FranciscoD: sure :) 05:09:07 I was goint to make vanhonit do it, but he left :/ 05:09:14 Great. Thanks. 05:09:18 Thank you all for coming. 05:09:21 #endmeeting