04:01:17 #startmeeting APAC meeting 20130608 04:01:17 Meeting started Sat Jun 8 04:01:17 2013 UTC. The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:01:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:01:26 .fas dramsey 04:01:27 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 04:01:27 :) 04:01:31 #chair tuanta amani_glugcal dramsey suresht 04:01:31 Current chairs: FranciscoD amani_glugcal dramsey suresht tuanta 04:01:38 #topic init process 04:01:41 .fas tuanta 04:01:42 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:01:46 #meetingname APAC meeting 20130608 04:01:46 The meeting name has been set to 'apac_meeting_20130608' 04:01:50 .hellomynameis ankursinha 04:01:51 .hellomynameis suresht 04:01:52 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 04:01:55 suresht: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' 04:02:15 * FranciscoD waits on amani_glugcal 04:02:16 amaniglugcal: A. Mani 04:02:25 * FranciscoD waits on any one else 04:02:52 That's it then. 04:02:55 Let's begin 04:03:20 * FranciscoD goes to get agenda page 04:03:37 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-06-08 04:03:47 #topic Announcements 04:04:01 Before we go: 04:04:10 Please use ?, ! to request a turn 04:04:14 EOF when you're done. 04:04:22 Any announcements? 04:04:28 * FranciscoD has a few 04:05:03 ! 04:05:09 plz 04:05:15 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections 04:05:19 Fedora elections are on going. 04:05:24 The townhalls are next. 04:05:36 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#IRC_Town_Halls 04:05:45 #info Fedora 20 election townhalls are coming up 04:05:58 http://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/Elections/ -> fedocal link 04:06:23 #info Fedora 19 RC1 is out 04:06:47 http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/19-TC1/ 04:07:06 If you have the time, please test and provide feedback. Bugs are important! 04:07:11 EOF 04:07:38 Any other announcements? 04:08:01 * FranciscoD waits for a minute 04:08:20 hello nangthang 04:08:21 .fas nangthang 04:08:22 nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' 04:08:25 hi 04:08:31 #chair nangthang 04:08:31 Current chairs: FranciscoD amani_glugcal dramsey nangthang suresht tuanta 04:08:49 Okay, moving on to next topic then 04:08:50 ! 04:08:53 ah! 04:08:54 tuanta: go 04:09:13 Budget meetings are on going in FAmSCo 04:09:40 we update budget (spent, request...) in Q1 and check plan in Q2 04:09:44 \o 04:10:14 .fas MarkDude 04:10:15 MarkDude: markdude 'Mark Terranova' 04:10:17 #info Budget meetings are on going in FAmSCo 04:10:22 tuanta: good to hear! 04:10:24 poorly, I have not much time to update Q1 status and so is my co-worker Suresht 04:10:39 I will try to get all back on track this weekend 04:10:48 is Suresht there? 04:10:50 eof 04:10:53 ! 04:10:56 suresht: I hope you're managing your budgeting tasks? Please give us a shout if you need help 04:10:59 suresht: go 04:11:48 last week i did not update since i was little bust anyhow i will look carefully soon. 04:11:58 eof 04:12:25 No worries. We look forward to the budget review. 04:12:31 +1 04:12:32 Any other announcements? 04:12:34 thanks 04:12:51 Moving on 04:13:00 #topic Review action items from last meetings 04:13:01 ! 04:13:07 suresht: go 04:13:33 i think nangthang also interested to help on this nangthang ??? 04:13:35 eof 04:13:57 Well, as long as you folks can co-ordinate it, we're not complaining ;) 04:14:14 ok thanks 04:14:16 eof 04:14:27 suresht: yes, but we're on the same task, so you should take the task first, IMO 04:14:39 :) 04:14:50 +1 FranciscoD 04:15:26 yes :) 04:15:48 three of us may be a better team 04:16:01 next, please 04:18:06 Action items 04:18:17 #info Please update the ticket #70 with your ideas on the subject asap 04:18:27 bckurera couldn't make it this time. 04:18:28 :D 04:18:32 Understood. 04:18:51 #action KageSenshi to buy everyone light sabers ;) 04:18:56 ;) 04:18:59 This one I'm serious about ;) 04:19:10 The rest are left overs from previous meetings. Nothing much to discuss there 04:19:36 Did anyone else have any assignments they'd like help with or want to report about? 04:19:46 * FranciscoD waits for a minute before moving to next topic 04:19:59 ? 04:20:22 dramsey: go 04:20:25 :p I hope that we help contribute to our APAC tickets. Leaving for evening stuff soon. Beefy Miracle = Out :p eof 04:21:09 dramsey: just bringing them up 04:21:15 +1 04:21:29 hanthana: hey! 04:21:32 .fas hanthana 04:21:33 FranciscoD: snavin 'Danishka Navin' 04:21:43 Okay moving on to tickets then 04:21:48 ok 04:21:50 FranciscoD, hi 04:21:54 #topic Trac tickets 04:21:58 #chair hanthana 04:21:58 Current chairs: FranciscoD amani_glugcal dramsey hanthana nangthang suresht tuanta 04:22:15 I'm going to start with #80 04:22:20 ! 04:22:24 #info Ticket 80 04:22:26 amani_glugcal: go 04:22:27 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/80 04:22:40 yes we have it all planned 04:23:09 submission system, publicity 04:23:14 panel 04:23:28 writeup was extensively discussed 04:23:59 wfs-india.org is the new wfs site 04:24:35 amani_glugcal: I have a big concern about Fedora approval status 04:24:52 As far as I see, your support request has not been approved yet 04:24:59 tuanta: let amani_glugcal finish, we'll discuss that part ;) 04:25:05 amani_glugcal: please use EOF to signal that you're done 04:25:18 we have a gallery part too 04:25:19 why you show on the website that that event is supported by Fedora? 04:25:26 #link http://www.wfs-india.org/p/poster-competition-womens-and-lgbt-issues 04:25:40 because that is how we planned it 04:25:46 ok, sorry. I will wait FranciscoD 04:25:49 tuanta: thanks 04:25:53 amani_glugcal: go on, 04:26:14 We have myself, Tatica from Fedora 04:26:18 on panel 04:26:18 * FranciscoD is waiting so he can info all the items for the logs 04:26:33 #info planning for poster competition complete: submission system, publicity, panel, writeup discussed and modified, new website wfs-india.org 04:26:37 and two other panelists 04:26:46 #info 4 panelists currently including tatica 04:27:04 EOF 04:27:42 Okay. To start with. I want to point out that all event tickets need to be approved *before* the event is announced. 04:27:46 There are a few reasons for this 04:28:07 1. The voting needs to be unbiased. If the event is already announced, this doens't happen. 04:28:24 FranciscoD: I was not exactly aware 04:28:55 it is not mentioned in ticketing system 04:28:59 amani_glugcal: you should've been, the guidelines are on the wiki. This has been brought up before too. Anyway, we can make exceptions but we need to limit the exceptions. 04:29:12 thanks 04:29:31 +1 FranciscoD 04:29:35 2. Publicising fedora support without approval isn't the truth. It's a half truth :) 04:29:54 FranciscoD ::) 04:30:08 I think the event is a good idea. I'm riding on amani_glugcal 's judgement here. I have a few concerns: 04:30:19 +1 on good idea :) 04:30:26 amani_glugcal: 1. The annoucement shouldv'e also been discussed *before* it went out. 04:30:34 It was not professional enough to meet fedora event standards. 04:30:49 That's a big concern to me. 04:30:56 We even had the Fedora logo in the hackathon on 20th May 04:31:40 2. We pride ourselves at being "excellent to each other". Events should not offend *any* member of the community. 04:31:51 Actually there was some confision with tatica 04:32:09 amani_glugcal: the point is that all the confusion needs to be cleared before hand :) 04:32:22 ! 04:32:24 Not after the announcement has gone out 04:32:28 MarkDude: go 04:32:45 * MarkDude offers not any - but pretty much anybody 04:33:16 MarkDude: I understand that someone or the other always gets offended, since we're a diverse community. 04:33:20 Some are ALWAYS gona be offended. I assume you meant that. 98% is a good goal- maybe 90%% 04:33:25 eof :) 04:33:27 But, the goal should be to not offend anyone. 04:33:42 Subtle things like wording, and theme can make a *big* difference. 04:33:55 FranciscoD: 60% should be reasonable 04:33:58 These are my primary concerns. 04:33:59 amani_glugcal: no 04:33:59 * MarkDude offends some Ubuntu folks by using my Distro- offers no apologies 04:34:04 60% is not reasonable. 04:34:15 ! 04:34:22 MarkDude: go 04:34:46 The exact number is secondary to allow yourself to offend only 10%- you may be ok 04:34:49 this isn't about pleasing the majority. It's about respecting the entire community, irrespective of disagreements. 04:35:12 Larger groups- its possible to offend some that are on the borderline 04:35:14 But anyway our write-up was made extremely simple by others in WFS 04:35:27 amani_glugcal: *after* it offended folks. 04:35:32 Let them hear your awesome message- by getting there first amani_glugcal 04:35:33 I was talking about public 04:35:34 eif 04:35:52 I'm talking about the community here. 04:35:58 The last concern is the link to Fedora 04:36:07 1. We support foss activity. 04:36:15 I write simple sentences :) and so 04:36:42 2. However, we cannot support all foss activity. Our budget is limited, and in the real world that implies that our events have to be fedora centric most of the time. 04:37:03 We'd love to support everyone who does a foss event, but it isn't possible. 04:37:23 amani_glugcal: Can you please clarify the link to foss/fedora here. I know folks have concerns with this. 04:37:25 Yes, this event woukd be difficult with Fedora alone 04:37:34 +1 FranciscoD. all activities should related to Fedora, otherwise they should not be a part of Fedora community 04:37:49 All tools used should be FOSS ones 04:38:01 amani_glugcal, who involved from Mozilla? 04:38:21 hanthana: please request a turn, slightly more organized that way (!,?) :) 04:38:29 sorry 04:38:30 ! 04:38:30 There are two people: Priyanka and Chandankumar 04:39:34 hanthana: no worries. Do you know these folks? 04:39:37 * FranciscoD is just curious 04:39:40 yes 04:39:48 I think I know Chandan. He works in translation iirc. 04:39:50 Priyanka is one of my mentee 04:40:00 Great. Good to know ;) 04:40:30 but she did not request budget for this event as I remember 04:40:51 She is not in charge 04:41:02 But part of the team 04:41:02 just show Mozilla and Fedora as supporter? :( 04:41:15 I think this is a bad habit 04:41:35 amani_glugcal: Okay. Making the use of foss tools compulsory is a good way to go IMO. Didn't you have a tutorial session where folks were taught the use of these tools on *fedora* systems? 04:41:39 tuanta: Mozilla got in because of Priyanka's event 04:42:15 my suggestion is, its always good if organizers can break the budget and get the sponsorship from both side but the both community should have equal return 04:42:25 hanthana: ++ 04:42:37 A tutorial on GIMP in Fedora may be a follow up idea... as of now we want new people interested in FOSS tools 04:43:08 amani_glugcal: like we've been saying. Supporting foss is an ideal goal. If an event is sponsored, communities expect a certain amount of return form them. 04:43:20 It could be something as tiny as a design suite workshop 04:43:35 or a "join the fedora design team" session. 04:43:52 It's too idealistic to support all foss events in a limited budget. 04:43:53 Yes that makes sense 04:44:03 Good. Glad you understand. 04:44:22 Tatica should be able to help with that 04:44:28 I suggest a starter level workshop: Foss design tools, on Fedora systems. 04:44:31 etc. 04:44:35 +1 04:44:43 amani_glugcal: yes. This is stuff you need to keep in mind for future events. 04:45:10 +1 04:45:11 We'd also like more discussion on the fedora lists when you run a fedora event. More discussion on the final plan I mean. 04:45:33 ok, next then? 04:45:37 We did know that an event with a poster competition was coming up, but we didn't have details of the plan. 04:45:49 tuanta: we need to vote on this. Last activity. 04:45:57 Voting for approval: 04:46:13 OK 04:46:21 +1 from me. I think amani_glugcal understands our concerns. I look forward to results and better more professional events in the future :) 04:46:32 ping suresht nangthang tuanta hanthana 04:47:41 * FranciscoD waits for votes 04:48:25 some positive and some negative on this...anyhow we need to encourage people for FOSS events. 04:48:28 it's about $90? 04:48:30 +1 04:48:34 +1 04:48:35 tuanta: yes 04:48:53 +1 04:49:20 it's not in budget plan, but we have some reserved, so I also vote +1 04:49:38 * FranciscoD knew tuanta was looking at the budget ;) 04:49:41 +1` 04:49:44 :) 04:50:00 FranciscoD: my friend :) 04:50:06 thats: +5 (+ MarkDude)/-0 04:50:16 #agreed Sponsor amani_glugcal 's event. 04:50:18 Phew. 04:50:20 Next. 04:50:24 Thanks 04:50:26 tuanta: you have tickets for your events iirc? 04:50:36 :D 04:50:38 #action update ticket #80 with approval details 04:50:41 er 04:50:44 #undo 04:50:44 Removing item from minutes: 04:50:47 yes, #84 04:50:51 #action FranciscoD update ticket #80 with approval details 04:51:00 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/84 04:51:13 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/84 04:51:31 tuanta: how much is it? 220? 04:51:52 I would like to organize the first Release party event in Can Tho city 04:52:00 ! 04:52:03 yes, it's about $220 (conversion rate) 04:52:05 hanthana: go 04:52:34 please be kind to link Fedora India or Fedora Project 04:52:37 in this page 04:52:39 http://wiki.culturefreedomday.org/2013/India/Kolkata/GLUG-Kolkata 04:52:53 a different topic, hanthana? 04:53:14 #action amani_glugcal link Fedora India/Fedora project page to http://wiki.culturefreedomday.org/2013/India/Kolkata/GLUG-Kolkata 04:53:20 hanthana that is an old page need to be updated 04:53:24 tuanta: no worries, go on 04:53:28 amani_glugcal, ok 04:54:10 I hope can bring Fedora to students at the Can Tho university 04:54:28 tuanta: ? 04:54:42 yes, please FranciscoD 04:55:04 It says "media and swag will be produced separately". Does that mean you'll need funds for them too, at a later date maybe? 04:55:50 yes, we are planning to produce media separately for all F19 events in Vietnam (about 150-200 discs) 04:56:08 tuanta: Okay. 04:56:24 so is swag (maybe T-shirts or something) 04:56:52 tuanta: The event looks good to me. cwickert had voiced concerns over spending >100 on release parties in the past. I'm just thinking about that. 04:56:53 T-shirt stickers? 04:57:16 ! 04:57:26 hanthana: go 04:57:30 yes, poorly, most of fund is for traveling (it's far from my city) 04:57:36 tuanta, are you producing CD/DVD covers in English Language 04:57:59 yes, hanthana. I will use the *standard* disc label 04:58:02 I noticed tuanta . Since you're heading down and nangthang will also be there, it should be fine IMO. 04:58:02 planning request few from tuanta if its in English 04:58:07 tuanta, cool 04:58:26 somehitng like this: hanthana 04:58:29 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F18 04:58:33 hanthana: that'll be good. He can produce some for you too :) 04:58:58 tuanta: Can I request you to include a quick session to mention "Join Fedora!"? 04:59:05 Link to the join.fp.o page, or the Join SIG? 04:59:15 yes, hanthana. just concern about shipping tax and fee 04:59:25 and a quick talk about all the activities that need to be done for each release? 04:59:29 FranciscoD, tuanta I am planning to distribute few CD/DVDs here 04:59:35 FranciscoD: sure. will update it in agenda 04:59:51 #action tuanta Update agenda to include a "Join Fedora" talk. 04:59:53 hanthana: awesome! 05:00:03 FranciscoD: good idea. I will see how to say it as easy as possible 05:00:11 tuanta, i hope, we can get them during the California visit 05:00:20 Does any one have any more concerns with this event? We can vote otherwise 05:00:26 yeah, hanthana :) 05:00:34 ! 05:00:43 #info tuanta hanthana to get media to California visit 05:00:44 suresht: go 05:01:06 tuanta: was this event in the budget plan? :P 05:01:11 * FranciscoD is just confirming 05:01:17 yes, FranciscoD 05:01:27 Great. You don't miss anything tuanta XD 05:01:33 :) 05:01:55 ! 05:02:02 yes, amani_glugcal 05:02:11 amani_glugcal: once suresht finishes :) 05:02:14 * FranciscoD waits on suresht 05:02:15 is it release part for f19? why can you have a FAD? and for the release party the cost is much 220$ IMO 05:02:17 Does anybody produce T-shirt stickers 05:02:28 for Fedora 05:02:38 eof 05:02:42 suresht: it's a release party + workshop from what I can see. 05:03:02 suresht: yes, as I mentioned, most of fund are for traveling since Can Tho city is far from my city 05:03:13 we have no choice 05:03:15 amani_glugcal: not yet, no. 05:03:19 ... they can be permanently ironed in 05:03:28 we should consider 05:03:40 ...like the SFD people 05:03:41 I would like to bring Fedora everywhere in my reasonable resources 05:04:02 amani_glugcal: its more about someone actually doing the work. Maybe we can discuss it next meeting if you file a ticket? 05:04:10 fine 05:04:27 #action amani_glugcal file ticket to discuss t shirt stickers for next meeting 05:04:43 btw, there is that a such ticket reported by nangthang: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/86 05:05:09 yes 05:05:16 tuanta: that's quite a lot for release party IMO 05:05:17 we can discuss all on that and choose the best solution 05:05:23 we'll discuss it 05:05:24 (700$) 05:05:34 FranciscoD: that's good 05:05:36 lets vote on this first 05:05:42 +1 from me. 05:05:43 yes, please 05:05:55 ping nangthang hanthana amani_glugcal suresht 05:05:59 stickers are cheaper 05:06:27 amani_glugcal: we'll discuss it another time. Please vote for tuanta 's ticket currently 05:06:39 +1 05:07:16 ping nangthang hanthana suresht 05:07:22 i know the budget is limited, so we've just planned it with some options 05:07:28 lets see the out put bigger :) 05:07:30 +1 05:08:03 nangthang: can you focus on voting for the ticket #84 05:08:35 +1 05:09:04 ping hanthana MarkDude 05:09:11 That's +4 already 05:09:39 +1 05:09:42 * FranciscoD waits another minute before hitting agreed 05:09:51 Okay. I think MarkDude 's afk at the moment. 05:09:56 * MarkDude got distracted by looking at other cool Viet nam events +1 05:10:01 :D 05:10:13 #agreed sponsor tuanta 's ticket #84 (+6/-0) 05:10:14 thanks :) 05:10:25 #action FranciscoD update ticket #84 05:10:36 Next. Any more tickets that need urgent attention? 05:10:43 * FranciscoD notes that we're already 10 minutes over time 05:11:16 #link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/86 05:11:28 I suggest we can have another meeting next week if necessary 05:11:36 #86 should be discussed more 05:11:38 I think 05:11:40 do we have enough time to discuss? 05:11:52 +1 tuanta 05:11:57 Maybe next week. 05:12:10 yes, next week is fine to me too 05:12:16 nangthang: at a glance, this may not get my vote. 700$ is a lot for a release party :/ 05:12:17 +1, thanks 05:12:29 Like I said, cwickert has expressed concerns about anything over 100$ for a release party. 05:12:42 I see 05:12:55 it's for some future events also, nangthang? 05:13:01 nangthang: see if you can modify it to other swag, like the cheat cube etc. which would be cheaper 05:13:19 yes, tuanta 05:13:25 The release party currently doesn't seem to have any workshops etc. so it's a NO for the time being 05:13:28 already we approved 2 events so we need more time to read and discuss :) 05:13:37 nangthang: you have until next week to modify it though :) 05:13:51 we should give about 10-20 ones per event. if that, nangthang, you should explain as clear as possible 05:13:56 ! 05:14:00 hanthana: go 05:14:03 well Tshirts for a release party is too much. even we do not produce Polo Tshirts for FUDcon events right?a! 05:14:17 yes, next week is better for discussing that ticket 05:14:31 pls don't get this as personal 05:14:34 +1, I'll modify the ticket 05:14:36 hanthana: yes. We'll discuss it properly next week. It'll give nangthang a chance to make changes :) 05:14:47 #topic open floor 05:14:48 +1 FranciscoD 05:14:49 nangthang, good luck! 05:14:55 FranciscoD, +1 05:14:59 Does any one have anything *more* to discuss today? :P 05:15:02 * FranciscoD doesn't 05:15:12 me too 05:15:17 enough today? 05:15:27 * FranciscoD waits for anyone else 05:15:29 AH! 05:15:32 not from me either. 05:15:34 I have something :P 05:15:39 ! 05:15:51 hanthana: go 05:15:52 go FranciscoD then hanthana 05:15:58 :) 05:16:01 * FranciscoD will go after hanthana :) 05:16:41 one of Singapore school contact me on Sugar/OLPC related activities and I already done. So they want to share my knowledge with kids too. I hope we can have a mini FAD in that college 05:16:42 :) 05:16:50