<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:02:21
!startmeeting CentOS Hyperscale SIG
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:02:23
Meeting started at 2024-03-27 16:02:21 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:02:23
The Meeting name is 'CentOS Hyperscale SIG'
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:02:30
!topic Roll call
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:02:37
!hi
<@nhanlon:beeper.com>
16:02:38
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:02:38
Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:02:39
Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
<@rcolebaugh:matrix.org>
16:02:42
!hi
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:02:42
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:02:49
Raymond Colebaugh (rcolebaugh) - he / him / his
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:02:49
Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:03:01
I wonder if you really have to misspell help
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:03:02
!help
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:03:03
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<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:03:05
!halp
<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>
16:03:14
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:03:16
Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
<@anitazha:matrix.org>
16:03:17
!hi
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:03:18
so... halp does not actually work? huh
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:03:21
or it's rate limited
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:03:22
!halp
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:03:22
Anita Zhang (anitazha) - she / her / hers
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:03:26
yay boogs
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:03:31
!help
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:03:32
● `!help [commandname]` - list commands
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<@davide:cavalca.name>
16:03:35
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:03:38
Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:03:54
yeah, that looks like a bug. help works, but does not show the reply. halp shows the acknowledgement emoji but does nothing
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:04:03
where do we report this :P
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:04:32
https://github.com/GregSutcliffe/maubot-meetings
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:04:52
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:04:59
Matteo Croce (teknoraver) - he / him / his
<@aekoroglu:matrix.org>
16:05:48
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:05:49
Ali Erdinc Koroglu (aekoroglu)
<@nhanlon:beeper.com>
16:06:06
heya Ali
<@aekoroglu:matrix.org>
16:06:38
hello Neil :)
<@rrbc:matrix.org>
16:07:04
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:07:06
No Fedora Accounts users have the @rrbc:matrix.org Matrix Account defined
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:08:07
apparently the suggestion is to file it in fedora-infra - https://github.com/GregSutcliffe/maubot-meetings/issues/41
<@davide:cavalca.name>
16:08:07
Roberto Campesato: you need to add your matrix id to FAS for that to work
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:10:25
!link https://github.com/fedora-infra/matrix-bots/issues/19
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:12:15
I think that's enough waiting, so...
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:12:17
anyway, we should actually start the meeting
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:12:23
jinx
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:12:26
heh
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:12:30
let's start with...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:12:31
!topic Followups
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:13:05
I have one
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:13:47
For those doing to RH summit the deadline for submitting a community demo is this Friday. I'm thinking of showcasing a GNOME rebuild
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:14:08
Ideally installable but if we don't get to that that's ok too
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:14:23
I was thinking of CentOS Hyperscale KDE and a cloud image
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:14:44
with all the work Fedora-side I will backport to our descriptions, I should be able to achieve that much
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:14:44
Should this be one talk? Or two
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:14:56
probably one
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:15:14
if you've got the gnome rebuild in place too, we can showcase it alongside the hyperscale kde
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:15:21
Yeah. Sounds good
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:15:38
it will probably displace our regular hyperscale gnome variant anyway
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:15:43
You're submitting it or should I? Let's take this to Centos Promo after the meeting
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:15:55
yeah let's figure that out afterward
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:16:28
If Carl is doing an EPEL talk ours should come after so we don't have to explain what epel is
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:16:49
And it can be a nice example of what you can do in epel (kde) and what you cannot
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:16:54
yes
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:17:58
Davide Cavalca, Anita Zhang, Matteo Croce, and myself were at SCaLE a couple weeks ago.
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:18:10
yay!
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:18:11
So was I
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:18:29
right, blame the tab completion mess and my ADD :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:19:07
I gave a talk about building kernels
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:19:18
including the Hyperscale kernel :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:20:20
SCaLE hasn't published the recording yet, but once it's up, we'll get those added to the list
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:21:04
oh and Anita Zhang did a talk about Meta's upstream-y oss stuff
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:21:10
which also briefly included hyperscale :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:21:46
anyone has any other followups?
<@nhanlon:beeper.com>
16:22:26
watched a few of those online, hoping to review the others when they come out! great job, all
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:23:08
we had the Asahi demo again at the Meta booth
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:23:37
probably got a few people trying it that way, now that sound works :). including one of the booth volunteers
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:24:01
but that's not HS related I guess until we get CentOS Hyperscale Asahi
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:24:02
we had good conversations after Davide Cavalca and I had our talk about FAR too
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:24:10
FAR?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:24:15
Fedora Asahi Remix
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:24:20
ah
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:24:21
typing it is too much work
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:24:41
but once we get to hs10, we'll see
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:24:50
anyway... let's move on to..
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:24:52
!topic Announcements
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:25:34
anyone have anything to announce?
<@davide:cavalca.name>
16:25:53
Roberto Campesato is working on updating qemu and the virt stack
<@davide:cavalca.name>
16:26:07
And getting our patches sorted out in the process
<@rrbc:matrix.org>
16:27:28
Yes! Still learning how to work with hyperscale but I should start publishing new builds soon, thanks Davide Cavalca for your help / support!
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:27:59
that's awesome
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:30:05
anything else from anyone?
<@anitazha:matrix.org>
16:30:07
I stepped away and just came back. But last night I updated the HS talks list with everyone's SCaLE and CentOS Connect stuff
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:30:18
awesome, thank you!
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:30:31
A+ as always Anita Zhang 😂
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:30:35
A+ as always Anita Zhang 😄
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:31:21
Oh, I guess I should say this: I will be upgrading us to 6.8 in hyperscale this week
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:31:25
for the kernel
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:31:45
!info Roberto Campesato is working on refreshing the qemu and virt stack and making good progress
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:31:50
I'm working on refreshing RPM CoW
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:32:23
!info Anita Zhang has added CentOS Connect 2024 and SCaLE 21x talks to the Hyperscale SIG site
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:32:38
!info Matteo Croce is working on refreshing RPM CoW
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:33:41
for kernel... does the HS one have that kernel module for file sharing enabled yet? one sec
<@davide:cavalca.name>
16:33:53
9p ?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:34:10
https://docs.getutm.app/settings-qemu/sharing/#virtfs
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:34:13
yes, 9pfs
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:34:37
it probably isn't
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:34:46
if it's not in baseline RHEL, it's not enabled yet for us
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:34:51
since I didn't explicitly turn it on
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:34:58
but of course, we can change that :)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:35:05
should I file a ticket asking for it to be turned on? (hs, I mean)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:35:11
yes
<@davide:cavalca.name>
16:35:14
Speaking of kernel, we're doing some experimentation around microvms using firecracker at meta, and we might need a variant for that with a minimal kconfig, virtio builtin, etc
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:35:17
probably worth asking for it in JIRA too, who knows
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:35:20
please file a sig-hyperscale ticket and tag it for the kernel
<@davide:cavalca.name>
16:35:22
Details tbd as I learn more about this
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:35:40
Davide Cavalca: since firecracker is in Fedora, let's start there first
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:35:52
getting more flavors added to the kernel is a messy enough process as it is
<@davide:cavalca.name>
16:36:24
Yeah I'm trying to get an e2e poc so I can actually have something to test and target against
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:36:40
ps the kernel doc still says we track the Stream 9 kernel https://sigs.centos.org/hyperscale/internal/kernel/
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:36:44
you should be able to use kernel-core for this as that's effectively a minimal environment
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:36:53
where should I file this, just the normal SIG tracker?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:36:56
yes
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:37:05
also feel free to update the text there
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:37:27
the kernel contribution page was already fixed
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:37:30
I just forgot about the rest
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:38:30
!link https://pagure.io/centos-sig-hyperscale/sig/issue/164
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:40:09
do we have any Red Hat kernel folks in #centos-kernel:fedora.im yet?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:41:14
I guess not, I just peeked in there and there's still nobody from that team there.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:42:37
!info The Hyperscale kernel will be refreshed to 6.8 series this week.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:42:59
I think that's it for announcements, so now...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:43:06
!topic Tickets
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:43:25
Excluding the ticket Michel Lind🎩 - 😷🤧 just filed, I'm gonna say there's nothing to discuss here...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:43:32
so let's move on to...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:43:36
!topic Membership
<@aekoroglu:matrix.org>
16:43:54
I've got one
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:43:58
oh?
<@aekoroglu:matrix.org>
16:44:07
https://pagure.io/centos-sig-hyperscale/sig/issue/163
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:44:27
so more hyperscale-intel work?
<@aekoroglu:matrix.org>
16:44:42
yeap this time for mark adler's zlib :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:44:50
are they here to introduce themselves?
<@aekoroglu:matrix.org>
16:45:45
Not this time I think but I'll take him to next meeting
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:46:14
okay
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:47:30
we can wait to vote until then I guess
<@aekoroglu:matrix.org>
16:47:30
I already shared onboarding docs, probably we'll release a new zlib in hyperscale-intel repos and then some benchmarking white paper + blog post maybe ?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:48:00
yup sounds good
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:48:41
!info Adenilson Cavalcanti (FAS: adenilson) will come next meeting to introduce themselves
<@aekoroglu:matrix.org>
16:48:43
I already shared onboarding docs, probably we'll release a new zlib in hyperscale-intel repos and then some benchmarks + white paper + blog post maybe ?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:49:04
anything else?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:49:36
guess not, so let's move on to..
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:49:37
!topic Miscellaneous
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:50:47
anything for the open floor?
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:51:27
I have some questions for RPM cow
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:51:42
sure, shoot
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:52:00
I see that the current RPM tree is at:
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:52:01
https://git.centos.org/rpms/rpm/commits/c9s-sig-hyperscale
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:52:13
which already has an RPM cow implementation
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:52:28
because there is the rpm2extents tool in it
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:52:38
but this is based on a three years old RPM codebase
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:52:52
I've ported the cow to latest RPM tree
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:53:24
my branch is here: https://github.com/teknoraver/rpm/tree/cow
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:53:42
what is the process to have a fresh rpm version in centos hyperscale?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:53:54
well, that's complex
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:54:05
in order to ship a new rpm, we have to rebuild everything that depends on librpm
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:54:11
which... includes grub
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:54:17
among other things
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:54:44
so we haven't done it because ABI breaks make this complex
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:55:00
but if we really need to, we could
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:55:19
that said, RPM 4.20 is a thing and that includes a stable plugin API
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:55:50
so getting that into Fedora first will also let us have a conversation about having CentOS 10 also having what we need
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:56:24
so - wait until 4.20 then switch HS's rpm to track Fedora's?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:56:29
that will make it easier to rebase I guess
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:56:41
well, we will need to figure out the dependencies on librpm, but yeah
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:56:55
this is when I wish we have sidetags in CBS
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:56:57
so I should target Fedora first?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:57:00
yes
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:58:09
got it, tnx
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:58:22
anything else?
<@teknoraver:matrix.org>
16:59:30
not from me
<@nhanlon:beeper.com>
16:59:49
nor i
<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>
17:00:00
negative
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:01:23
alright, well we're at the top of the hour, so time to end it ALL
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:01:25
!endmeeting