#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:20:22

!startmeeting CentOS Hyperscale SIG

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:20:25

Meeting started at 2025-02-12 16:20:22 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:20:26

The Meeting name is 'CentOS Hyperscale SIG'

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:20:30

!topic Roll call

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:22:04

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:22:07

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:23:00

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:23:02

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:23:37

waiting a couple more minutes even though we're very late

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:24:48

nobody noticed we're late I guess, I did not see anyone pinging the Hyperscale room :P

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:24:58

yeeeah

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:25:02

I think we can get started now I suppose

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:25:09

!topic Followups

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:25:35

is Hyperscale GNOME a followup topic? I guess it is

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:25:40

yeah it would be

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:25:43

we've discussed it before

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:25:56

so - one thing for GNOME and one thing for Fast Track. I'll do GNOME first

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:26:00

I'm tempted to collapse Announcements and Followups into one because it's hard to separate

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:26:14

there's interest from someone working on a silverblue like immutable distro on having a modern GNOME backported to EL10

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:26:16

and I might do that after this meeting

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:26:32

yeah like the workstation wg huh? they had one combined topic for anything that's not open floor or specifically tabled

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:26:32

oh wow, really?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:26:38

yes

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:26:46

you pinged me on it, no? that person in the GNOME group

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:26:51

yes

<@davide:cavalca.name>

16:27:03

!hi

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:27:05

I thought there was something else because I knew of a couple of others asking on social media

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:27:05

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:27:07

I forgot the detail so I described it in general terms :). if you can supply the name for the meeting notes that'd help

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:28:00

but yeah, also when Troy did his alt images talk someone asked about Evolution, and I have a local build working and have submitted the branch requests for epel10 - also asking GNOME SIG to be added as maintainers, since they are not on some packages even those maintained by some GNOME SIG people :)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:28:08

tulip reached out to me and asked about helping with KDE and GNOME on EL10 for an immutable derivative

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:28:27

I pointed them to #kde:fedoraproject.org and #centos-hyperscale-gnome:fedora.im accordingly

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:28:32

to note: evolution-data-server is in c10s but built without webkitgtk, so depending on what that broke, or if we want a newer eds and evolution, we might end up packaging those two in Hyperscale GNOME anyway

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:29:05

webkitgtk is required for some account things as well as HTML email IIRC

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:29:26

and lastly we are looking at spinning out this to its own SIG, but want to gauge interest first. We first thought of giving a talk at SIGGRAPH, but looks like those are mostly for technical rendering discussions, not the infra stuff, but there is an attached Open Source Day that could be very relevant. it's in Vancouver in August

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:29:50

yeah, so the account thing might break if eds does not have webkitgtk. for HTML email, evolution depends on webkitgtk directly

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:30:18

so - it might be worth getting everything in EPEL first anyway, then we see what breaks. I'll test locally after rebuilding an *older* version of evolution that matches centos' eds

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:31:12

so yeah we might dual track it. get things in EPEL, start building things in SIG. probably have an experimental COPR for each new GNOME version we're bringing up (except we probably can't build webkitgtk there, because it's... heavy)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:31:54

similarly we're looking at floating the proposal for a fast track SIG today - though it probably is too late to allow enough discussion to get voted on at today's CentOS Board meeting, so it might be async or delayed until next month

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:32:19

for short-term fixes that we expect to be in Stream within a reasonable time frame, but those using Stream in prod can't wait for

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:32:30

and... that's it right? did I miss anything?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:32:45

we can ask for a heavy builder for copr, like I did for kernel work

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:32:58

that will make Hyperscale more focused, and also strengthen our reputation as a SIG incubator :)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:33:03

yes

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:33:13

oh nice. yeah the Packit people are quite responsive, we'll get to that when we need it

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:33:34

I'd rather just reuse the webkit from EPEL as long as we can still use it, instead of trackign Fedora blindly

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:33:41

yup

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:33:55

webkitgtk has LTS branches I think, so that makes sense to track in EPEL

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:34:13

oh, I need to make sure the version I build for EPEL is LTS then

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:34:16

good call

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:34:26

anyone else has a follow up?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:34:47

or maybe not, we'll need to talk with Michael Catanzaro about how webkitgtk releases work

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:34:53

their website is slightly confusing

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:37:38

Michel Lind 🎩 UTC-6: can you make some !info lines for the minutes?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:37:45

yeah. I think he's aware that's happening anyway

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:37:48

ok one sec

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:38:15

!info we are looking at spinning Hyperscale GNOME and fast track out into their own SIGs

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:38:41

!info Evolution headed to epel10, we might do a Hyperscale GNOME build with either a newer version or unneutered evolution-data-server with HTML support, or both

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:41:40

is that everything?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:42:10

if so I've got a followup

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:42:57

!info The CentOS Hyperscale + Alt Images combined meetup at CentOS Connect went well. We had good participation from SIG members, Troy Dawson from Alt Images, and a number of guests to discuss a range of topics.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:44:01

!info Minutes from that meetup will be cleaned up and posted Soon(tm) and future discussion and work will come from that.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:44:46

I think that's it for me...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:44:57

Davide Cavalca: do you have anything to note for followups?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:46:58

maybe something from the Docs day we did after fosdem

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:47:30

Neal and I were mostly discussing Fedora and CentOS proposals but there might be something going on that affects Hyperscale too

<@davide:cavalca.name>

16:47:34

I need to do write ups from fosdem but nothing really right now

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:49:07

same - still owing both internal and public write ups

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:50:17

alright, we can address those in a future meeting

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:50:20

so let's move onto...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:50:24

!topic Announcements

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:51:01

!info Going forward, Announcements and Followups are going to be merged into the same topic heading. The split is difficult for people to discern, and it's not that important anyway.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:51:50

I had a follow up I forgot to bring up, so I'll wait for open floor

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:52:43

!info Neal gave a talk at CentOS Connect about the SIG compose process being built for CentOS Hyperscale. The release of the tool and a blog post about it is forthcoming.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:55:07

I don't think there's anything else, so let's move on

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:55:17

!topic Tickets

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:55:36

So, we massively failed here. We forgot to clean up the tracker.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:55:45

This is something we'll have to do soon.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:55:51

!topic Membership

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:56:16

No new members to process today.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:56:23

!topic Miscellaneous

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:56:35

and now we're at the open floor :)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:57:05

oh hi, Raymond is here

<@rcolebaugh:matrix.org>

16:57:13

Hey all, sorry I'm very late, thought this was at 9!

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:57:16

I'll go avfter him

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:57:22

oh ok so the topic is relevant then

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:57:49

my forgotten follow-up is - did we ask for a calendar.fedoraproject.org entry already? we decided to move the calendar there

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:58:25

because the CentOS one is really hard to maintain (you need to send a pull request and nag someone to merge it) - and it's very opinionatedly pinned to UTC whereas we want to pin this meeting to US EST/EDT

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:01:49

Conan Kudo: I can't remember if we filed a ticket to track this in the past, do you remember?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:02:07

let me check

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:02:34

you did: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/12300

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:02:44

it looks like it was done

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:02:48

so we should move to that

<@rcolebaugh:matrix.org>

17:03:26

Nice!

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:05:52

alright rcolebaugh you got anything?

<@rcolebaugh:matrix.org>

17:06:55

Only item I have is Vishal wanting to join the SIG to help with openssh, I'll ask him to file a ticket and join our next meeting :)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:07:15

awesome, thanks

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:07:26

we'll we're nearly 10 minutes over our time block because we all suck at time

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:07:34

if there's nothing else, I'll call this meeting to a close

<@rcolebaugh:matrix.org>

17:08:03

Sounds good to me, thanks Neal!

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:08:45

my memory is as bad as a goldfish (that's supposedly a myth so... apologies to goldfishes)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:08:53

nice!

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:09:10

to be fair I forgot too

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:09:40

ok, I'll set up the calendar today

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:09:53

!action Michel to set up the new calendar and update docs

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:10:02

!link https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/centos-sig-hyperscale/

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:10:11

sweetness

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:10:16

no more timezone chaos

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:10:30

yeah, I can't deal with timezones early in the morning

<@rcolebaugh:matrix.org>

17:10:45

Yessss that will be very nice!

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:11:24

oh wait

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:11:38

one last thing while at it. the current docs does say we track UTC

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:11:42

https://sig.centos.org/hyperscale/communication/meetings/

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:11:49

do we want to change it to track ET?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:12:09

right now it's confusing because technically the meeting is UTC and the video session is ET

<@rcolebaugh:matrix.org>

17:12:57

My vote is yes, I think that'd be easier to follow

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:14:06

so let's stick it to 11 AM Eastern Time

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:14:15

which is the time we are meeting today (though we're late 20+ mins)

<@rcolebaugh:matrix.org>

17:14:38

Sounds good to me!

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:15:02

no one seems to want the room so.. any last open floor topic?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:15:07

yes please

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:15:20

we already in practice track ET for both this meeting and the monthly hangout

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:15:54

we also misspelled biweekly in our docs. sigh

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:15:57

"by-weekly" :P

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:16:01

English is really annoying

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:16:03

lol

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:16:22

having German roots with French and Italian beaten into the language really doesn't help

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:16:33

and Latin and Malay and...

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:16:45

well the Malay is mostly "run amok" which I'm ... not proud of

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:16:54

I didn't know that

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:16:55

TIL

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:17:15

"mengamuk" is basically either throwing tantrums or rioting

<@rcolebaugh:matrix.org>

17:17:18

Same, wow!

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:17:24

which is the same thing just at a different scale

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:17:29

on that lovely note, time to end it

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:17:34

!endmeeting