2025-02-12 16:20:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !startmeeting CentOS Hyperscale SIG

2025-02-12 16:20:25 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-02-12 16:20:22 UTC
2025-02-12 16:20:26 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'CentOS Hyperscale SIG'
2025-02-12 16:20:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Roll call
2025-02-12 16:22:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-02-12 16:22:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-02-12 16:23:00 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-12 16:23:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-02-12 16:23:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> waiting a couple more minutes even though we're very late
2025-02-12 16:24:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> nobody noticed we're late I guess, I did not see anyone pinging the Hyperscale room :P
2025-02-12 16:24:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeeeah
2025-02-12 16:25:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think we can get started now I suppose
2025-02-12 16:25:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Followups
2025-02-12 16:25:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> is Hyperscale GNOME a followup topic? I guess it is
2025-02-12 16:25:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah it would be
2025-02-12 16:25:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we've discussed it before
2025-02-12 16:25:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> so - one thing for GNOME and one thing for Fast Track. I'll do GNOME first
2025-02-12 16:26:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm tempted to collapse Announcements and Followups into one because it's hard to separate
2025-02-12 16:26:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> there's interest from someone working on a silverblue like immutable distro on having a modern GNOME backported to EL10
2025-02-12 16:26:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and I might do that after this meeting
2025-02-12 16:26:32 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah like the workstation wg huh? they had one combined topic for anything that's not open floor or specifically tabled
2025-02-12 16:26:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh wow, really?
2025-02-12 16:26:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-02-12 16:26:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> you pinged me on it, no? that person in the GNOME group
2025-02-12 16:26:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-02-12 16:27:03 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-02-12 16:27:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I thought there was something else because I knew of a couple of others asking on social media
2025-02-12 16:27:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-02-12 16:27:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> I forgot the detail so I described it in general terms :). if you can supply the name for the meeting notes that'd help
2025-02-12 16:28:00 <@salimma:fedora.im> but yeah, also when Troy did his alt images talk someone asked about Evolution, and I have a local build working and have submitted the branch requests for epel10 - also asking GNOME SIG to be added as maintainers, since they are not on some packages even those maintained by some GNOME SIG people :)
2025-02-12 16:28:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> tulip reached out to me and asked about helping with KDE and GNOME on EL10 for an immutable derivative
2025-02-12 16:28:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I pointed them to #kde:fedoraproject.org and #centos-hyperscale-gnome:fedora.im accordingly
2025-02-12 16:28:32 <@salimma:fedora.im> to note: evolution-data-server is in c10s but built without webkitgtk, so depending on what that broke, or if we want a newer eds and evolution, we might end up packaging those two in Hyperscale GNOME anyway
2025-02-12 16:29:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> webkitgtk is required for some account things as well as HTML email IIRC
2025-02-12 16:29:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> and lastly we are looking at spinning out this to its own SIG, but want to gauge interest first. We first thought of giving a talk at SIGGRAPH, but looks like those are mostly for technical rendering discussions, not the infra stuff, but there is an attached Open Source Day that could be very relevant. it's in Vancouver in August
2025-02-12 16:29:50 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, so the account thing might break if eds does not have webkitgtk. for HTML email, evolution depends on webkitgtk directly
2025-02-12 16:30:18 <@salimma:fedora.im> so - it might be worth getting everything in EPEL first anyway, then we see what breaks. I'll test locally after rebuilding an *older* version of evolution that matches centos' eds
2025-02-12 16:31:12 <@salimma:fedora.im> so yeah we might dual track it. get things in EPEL, start building things in SIG. probably have an experimental COPR for each new GNOME version we're bringing up (except we probably can't build webkitgtk there, because it's... heavy)
2025-02-12 16:31:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> similarly we're looking at floating the proposal for a fast track SIG today - though it probably is too late to allow enough discussion to get voted on at today's CentOS Board meeting, so it might be async or delayed until next month
2025-02-12 16:32:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> for short-term fixes that we expect to be in Stream within a reasonable time frame, but those using Stream in prod can't wait for
2025-02-12 16:32:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> and... that's it right? did I miss anything?
2025-02-12 16:32:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we can ask for a heavy builder for copr, like I did for kernel work
2025-02-12 16:32:58 <@salimma:fedora.im> that will make Hyperscale more focused, and also strengthen our reputation as a SIG incubator :)
2025-02-12 16:33:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-02-12 16:33:13 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh nice. yeah the Packit people are quite responsive, we'll get to that when we need it
2025-02-12 16:33:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> I'd rather just reuse the webkit from EPEL as long as we can still use it, instead of trackign Fedora blindly
2025-02-12 16:33:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2025-02-12 16:33:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> webkitgtk has LTS branches I think, so that makes sense to track in EPEL
2025-02-12 16:34:13 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh, I need to make sure the version I build for EPEL is LTS then
2025-02-12 16:34:16 <@salimma:fedora.im> good call
2025-02-12 16:34:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> anyone else has a follow up?
2025-02-12 16:34:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> or maybe not, we'll need to talk with Michael Catanzaro about how webkitgtk releases work
2025-02-12 16:34:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> their website is slightly confusing
2025-02-12 16:37:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Michel Lind 🎩 UTC-6: can you make some !info lines for the minutes?
2025-02-12 16:37:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah. I think he's aware that's happening anyway
2025-02-12 16:37:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> ok one sec
2025-02-12 16:38:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> !info we are looking at spinning Hyperscale GNOME and fast track out into their own SIGs
2025-02-12 16:38:41 <@salimma:fedora.im> !info Evolution headed to epel10, we might do a Hyperscale GNOME build with either a newer version or unneutered evolution-data-server with HTML support, or both
2025-02-12 16:41:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> is that everything?
2025-02-12 16:42:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if so I've got a followup
2025-02-12 16:42:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info The CentOS Hyperscale + Alt Images combined meetup at CentOS Connect went well. We had good participation from SIG members, Troy Dawson from Alt Images, and a number of guests to discuss a range of topics.
2025-02-12 16:44:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info Minutes from that meetup will be cleaned up and posted Soon(tm) and future discussion and work will come from that.
2025-02-12 16:44:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think that's it for me...
2025-02-12 16:44:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Davide Cavalca: do you have anything to note for followups?
2025-02-12 16:46:58 <@salimma:fedora.im> maybe something from the Docs day we did after fosdem
2025-02-12 16:47:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> Neal and I were mostly discussing Fedora and CentOS proposals but there might be something going on that affects Hyperscale too
2025-02-12 16:47:34 <@davide:cavalca.name> I need to do write ups from fosdem but nothing really right now
2025-02-12 16:49:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> same - still owing both internal and public write ups
2025-02-12 16:50:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> alright, we can address those in a future meeting
2025-02-12 16:50:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so let's move onto...
2025-02-12 16:50:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Announcements
2025-02-12 16:51:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info Going forward, Announcements and Followups are going to be merged into the same topic heading. The split is difficult for people to discern, and it's not that important anyway.
2025-02-12 16:51:50 <@salimma:fedora.im> I had a follow up I forgot to bring up, so I'll wait for open floor
2025-02-12 16:52:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info Neal gave a talk at CentOS Connect about the SIG compose process being built for CentOS Hyperscale. The release of the tool and a blog post about it is forthcoming.
2025-02-12 16:55:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't think there's anything else, so let's move on
2025-02-12 16:55:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Tickets
2025-02-12 16:55:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> So, we massively failed here. We forgot to clean up the tracker.
2025-02-12 16:55:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> This is something we'll have to do soon.
2025-02-12 16:55:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Membership
2025-02-12 16:56:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> No new members to process today.
2025-02-12 16:56:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Miscellaneous
2025-02-12 16:56:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and now we're at the open floor :)
2025-02-12 16:57:05 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh hi, Raymond is here
2025-02-12 16:57:13 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> Hey all, sorry I'm very late, thought this was at 9!
2025-02-12 16:57:16 <@salimma:fedora.im> I'll go avfter him
2025-02-12 16:57:22 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh ok so the topic is relevant then
2025-02-12 16:57:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> my forgotten follow-up is - did we ask for a calendar.fedoraproject.org entry already? we decided to move the calendar there
2025-02-12 16:58:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> because the CentOS one is really hard to maintain (you need to send a pull request and nag someone to merge it) - and it's very opinionatedly pinned to UTC whereas we want to pin this meeting to US EST/EDT
2025-02-12 17:01:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: I can't remember if we filed a ticket to track this in the past, do you remember?
2025-02-12 17:02:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> let me check
2025-02-12 17:02:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you did: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/12300
2025-02-12 17:02:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it looks like it was done
2025-02-12 17:02:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so we should move to that
2025-02-12 17:03:26 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> Nice!
2025-02-12 17:05:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> alright rcolebaugh you got anything?
2025-02-12 17:06:55 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> Only item I have is Vishal wanting to join the SIG to help with openssh, I'll ask him to file a ticket and join our next meeting :)
2025-02-12 17:07:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> awesome, thanks
2025-02-12 17:07:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we'll we're nearly 10 minutes over our time block because we all suck at time
2025-02-12 17:07:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if there's nothing else, I'll call this meeting to a close
2025-02-12 17:08:03 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> Sounds good to me, thanks Neal!
2025-02-12 17:08:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> my memory is as bad as a goldfish (that's supposedly a myth so... apologies to goldfishes)
2025-02-12 17:08:53 <@salimma:fedora.im> nice!
2025-02-12 17:09:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> to be fair I forgot too
2025-02-12 17:09:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> ok, I'll set up the calendar today
2025-02-12 17:09:53 <@salimma:fedora.im> !action Michel to set up the new calendar and update docs
2025-02-12 17:10:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> !link https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/centos-sig-hyperscale/
2025-02-12 17:10:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> sweetness
2025-02-12 17:10:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no more timezone chaos
2025-02-12 17:10:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, I can't deal with timezones early in the morning
2025-02-12 17:10:45 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> Yessss that will be very nice!
2025-02-12 17:11:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh wait
2025-02-12 17:11:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> one last thing while at it. the current docs does say we track UTC
2025-02-12 17:11:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> https://sig.centos.org/hyperscale/communication/meetings/
2025-02-12 17:11:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> do we want to change it to track ET?
2025-02-12 17:12:09 <@salimma:fedora.im> right now it's confusing because technically the meeting is UTC and the video session is ET
2025-02-12 17:12:57 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> My vote is yes, I think that'd be easier to follow
2025-02-12 17:14:06 <@salimma:fedora.im> so let's stick it to 11 AM Eastern Time
2025-02-12 17:14:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> which is the time we are meeting today (though we're late 20+ mins)
2025-02-12 17:14:38 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> Sounds good to me!
2025-02-12 17:15:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> no one seems to want the room so.. any last open floor topic?
2025-02-12 17:15:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes please
2025-02-12 17:15:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we already in practice track ET for both this meeting and the monthly hangout
2025-02-12 17:15:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> we also misspelled biweekly in our docs. sigh
2025-02-12 17:15:57 <@salimma:fedora.im> "by-weekly" :P
2025-02-12 17:16:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> English is really annoying
2025-02-12 17:16:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol
2025-02-12 17:16:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> having German roots with French and Italian beaten into the language really doesn't help
2025-02-12 17:16:33 <@salimma:fedora.im> and Latin and Malay and...
2025-02-12 17:16:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> well the Malay is mostly "run amok" which I'm ... not proud of
2025-02-12 17:16:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I didn't know that
2025-02-12 17:16:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> TIL
2025-02-12 17:17:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> "mengamuk" is basically either throwing tantrums or rioting
2025-02-12 17:17:18 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> Same, wow!
2025-02-12 17:17:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> which is the same thing just at a different scale
2025-02-12 17:17:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> on that lovely note, time to end it
2025-02-12 17:17:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !endmeeting