19:01:54 #startmeeting Cloud SIG (28 Oct 2011) 19:01:54 Meeting started Fri Oct 28 19:01:54 2011 UTC. The chair is gholms. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:54 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:58 oh sure 19:01:59 #meetingname cloud 19:01:59 The meeting name has been set to 'cloud' 19:02:02 #topic init process 19:02:04 * rbergeron sits back 19:02:07 * kkeithley is here 19:02:08 rbergeron: You were too slow 19:02:17 gholms: maybe i should always be this slow ;) 19:02:18 #chair rbergeron jforbes 19:02:18 Current chairs: gholms jforbes rbergeron 19:02:21 AH SHOOT 19:02:28 rbergeron: <3 19:02:39 * jforbes is here 19:02:42 * douglax lurks 19:02:53 * rbergeron is here 19:02:55 * tflink is lurking 19:03:16 * gholms waits 19:03:32 s/lurking/bugs 19:03:33 rbergeron: You're the one with the agenda. Go for it. 19:03:35 * rbergeron hugs tflink 19:03:38 okay 19:03:50 #topic EC2 19:03:59 jdarcy mentioned something this morning about... about... 19:04:00 * rbergeron looks 19:04:25 /dev/stderr stuff. 19:04:26 About permissions errors on /dev/stderr during AMI startup. 19:04:30 There you go. 19:04:48 #info jdarcy was looking for info this morning on permissions errors on /dev/stderr during AMI startup. 19:04:54 There's like three or four of them right at the end of startup. 19:05:03 gholms: did you say they're benign? or ... 19:05:09 Anyone know what those are about? They don't seem to be the things that broke startup. 19:05:17 They happen when I start instances that work. 19:05:34 I was able to log in despite that, so I think they are benign. I'd still like to understand where they're coming from, though. 19:05:46 .bug 747692 19:05:49 gholms: Bug 747692 Networking startup failure on EC2, ami-7f5a063a (Cloud test day) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=747692 19:05:52 ^ They appear here 19:06:53 I might investigate a little further tonight. 19:07:10 is that the only outstanding EC2 bug right now? 19:07:28 yeah, but it's not breaking anything. 19:07:35 oh wait 19:07:53 Well, it *did* break things. But I can't reproduce it. Can any of you? 19:07:57 gholms: that sounds like a failure, not benign 19:07:58 ah 19:08:13 The *error messages* appear to be benign. 19:08:46 I have never reproduced it here either 19:08:48 so, not a failure? 19:08:48 I was seeing it repeatedly last night, both on instances that succeeded and on instances that failed (due to my own security-group error). 19:08:55 it'll be a final blocker if it is causing problems 19:09:13 jdarcy: but did it cause networking problems for you? 19:09:21 Can any of you reproduce the networking bug, though? 19:09:32 The error messages look like they're just cosmetic. 19:09:38 (effect-wise, at least) 19:09:44 because there's a difference between benign /dev/stderr and that bug, which was networking doesn't start 19:09:57 because nobody else saw that happen 19:10:12 Are there any new TC images yet? 19:10:12 I see those errors all the time on serial console 19:10:22 The only networking problem I saw was self-inflicted, not a bug. 19:10:24 not EC2, but they aren't rare 19:10:25 well, well, well 19:10:31 tflink: Do you suppose it's a serial console-related issue? 19:10:32 ;) 19:10:52 not sure, networking comes up so I've never really dug into it much 19:11:16 jforbes: not ec2 ones, afaik 19:11:26 dgilmore: you about? 19:11:31 Unless someone can reproduce the networking issue I don't see that bug as a blocker. 19:11:39 No word yet from the reporter. 19:11:50 yeah. i mean, we had numerous people looking at it/testing and nobody else hit that 19:11:56 * tflink notes that we still don' 19:12:07 t have EC2 stuff in the test matricies 19:12:32 It could have been something with the security group he used, networking came up, but wasn't allowed to do anything useful 19:12:52 jforbes: he was one of the test day testers on the account i made 19:13:11 tflink: maybe we can add that to the qa retrospective as a note? 19:13:23 rbergeron: makes no difference. If you don't edit the default security group, you can't do anything 19:13:28 yeah, as long as we actually test the EC2 images for final 19:13:37 jforbes: That's exactly what I did. Wouldn't be surprising if someone else did too. IMO it's a bug that EC2 even allows an "allow nothing" instance. 19:13:41 tflink: oh, as soon as images are posted, they will be tested 19:13:51 jforbes: But that's an Amazon bug, not a Fedora bug. 19:14:11 jdarcy: It isn't an "allow nothing" instance; just one that falls into the default security group which can be opened up just like all the rest. 19:14:21 jdarcy: depends on how you look at it, I can certainly see cases where you don't want SSH listening on a group of hosts 19:15:00 * jdarcy shrugs. Either way, not our problem. 19:15:05 * gholms nods 19:15:22 do we need to create a releng ticket for the TC/RC EC2 AMIs? 19:15:38 We should probably get a SOP for that as well. 19:15:40 rbergeron: just got back from a bbq lunch 19:16:09 tflink: no need to create a ticket for amis, i need to be able to compose them again 19:16:22 dgilmore: that sounds yummay 19:16:33 dgilmore: is something blocking you from composing them? 19:16:40 tflink: yes me 19:16:47 dgilmore: any possibility of getting a TC? Doesnt have to be made public, just something we can test a bit internally is okay 19:17:00 ok, just making sure that we weren't missing any critical issues 19:17:04 jforbes: as soon as i can compose them again 19:17:13 dgilmore: I appreciate it 19:17:38 jforbes: my afternoon plan is to fix it 19:19:43 On an unrelated note, I plan to update cloud-init in rawhide. 19:19:46 okay, that sucked 19:19:46 * rbergeron gets back to having internet 19:19:48 for the record the last attempt is http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3461621 19:20:03 dgilmore: yes, no, maybe? :) i know it's pretty busy atm 19:20:13 just need to deal with grub once and for all 19:20:33 the changes in grub in f16 finally killed appliance-creator 19:20:38 so it needs a correct fix 19:20:53 rbergeron: so the plan is to fix appliance-tools 19:20:57 then we can compose again 19:21:00 #info F16's grub changes broke appliance-creator 19:21:04 then ill make a tc/rc 19:21:12 depending on where exactly we are at 19:21:28 #action dgilmore to fix appliance-tools and then create a TC/RC image in EC2 19:21:34 Well, I suppose appliance-tools in F16 not working with F16 needs tobe fixed EC2 or not 19:21:35 okay... silence 19:21:38 i'll move onwards 19:21:42 to the next topic 19:21:44 im hoping to have appliance-creator at least baindaded today 19:21:54 so i could likely get some amis up 19:21:59 and perhaps come back 19:22:09 rbergeron: what silence? are you lagging? 19:22:13 rbergeron: Silence? Are you not able to see what dgilmore is typing? 19:22:16 #topic Since we're pretty much wrapped up feature wise.... 19:22:33 OH MY GOD 19:22:36 I can now 19:22:37 holy lag 19:22:39 Haha 19:23:03 Shall we go back? 19:23:08 Um 19:23:14 Did you guys make decisions 19:23:15 ? 19:23:36 rbergeron: dgilmore is going to fix appliance-tools so he can build a F16 image 19:23:37 rbergeron: the only thing i think needing decided is where should we post the tc/rc 19:23:54 rbergeron: should we just push to one or 2 zones 19:23:57 or to all 19:24:08 final should go to all for sure 19:24:23 dgilmore: no reason to push it anywhere but us-east-1 for TC/RC I would think 19:24:31 yeah 19:24:33 question about sysv/init vs systemd? 19:24:47 #undo 19:24:47 Removing item from minutes: 19:24:51 jforbes: ok, i kinda prefer us-west-1 since its closer to where we make them 19:24:57 but east is just as good 19:25:52 dgilmore: east is the "default" of sorts, and machine time is cheaper there 19:26:09 All in favor, +1 plz :) 19:26:59 Well, that didn't work. 19:27:11 +1 19:27:31 kkeithley: go for it, in a second, i'll switch topics after we... come to a conclusion 19:27:34 jforbes: ok 19:27:36 we shipped init.d scripts for glusterfs and hekafs. I opened BZs to convert to systemd. Does anyone object to an update soonish that switches to systemd or should they just stay as init.d scripts for the life of F16? 19:28:06 kkeithley: your not allowed to switch mid release 19:28:15 kkeithley: it wont be a cblocker for f16 19:28:27 kkeithley: so it wonmt get in or hold up the release 19:28:40 kkeithley: so that means your too late and must use sysv for f16 19:28:48 you can switch to systemd in f17 19:28:53 okay, good to know 19:29:34 kkeithley: the rules are such that switching from one to the other can break things and have unintended consequences 19:29:48 yup, that's why I asked 19:29:56 dgilmore, jforbes: +1s for putting TC images in us-east-1? 19:30:08 gholms: yes 19:30:09 gholms: :) ok thats what ill do 19:30:35 #agreed Any TC/RC EC2 images will be registered in the us-east-1 region 19:31:10 rbergeron: sorry, I read that as "go for it------ In a second I'll switch topics" not "go for it, in a second------" 19:31:19 kkeithley: no worries :) 19:31:23 rbergeron: What's next? 19:31:37 #topic Anything else? 19:31:43 I mean, things are kind of quiet right now. 19:31:57 * rbergeron looks at the people from eucalyptus thinking about F17, and the people from cloudstack thinking about F17 19:32:09 But. 19:32:16 I really don't have a whole heck of a lot. 19:32:27 Does anyone have anything they'd like to talk about? :) 19:32:41 rbergeron: well f17 work should have started at alpha branching and should be on its way to landing now :) 19:32:47 * jdarcy shrugs. 19:33:46 * rbergeron will hold for a momento and then tell everyone to go party 19:34:18 half a sec 19:34:19 rbergeron: Well, more dependencies are going into Fedora. Does that count? 19:34:20 * jsmith could use a party 19:34:26 ot tell them to help test F16 :) 19:34:32 * gholms could also use a party :) 19:34:35 s/ot/or 19:34:40 * douglax has two scheduled :) 19:34:49 tell/ask, anyways 19:35:05 what, party? 19:35:10 gholms: :) 19:35:13 I just pulled my fedora-scm/glusterfs. No f17 branch. So if I put the systemd files on master then when it's branched (imminently) it'll be in rawhide and f17, right? 19:35:23 kkeithley: Yes 19:35:45 that's what I thought. Thanks 19:36:08 kkeithley: udaman 19:36:20 yeah, friday-list ftw 19:36:36 or not 19:36:46 :-) 19:36:54 HAH 19:36:55 ohgod 19:37:01 okay. well, 19:37:19 I LEAVE YOU ALL TO GO HAVE FUN (or test the living daylights out of tc3, pretty please) 19:37:34 rbergeron: The two aren't exclusive. 19:37:42 ;) 19:37:54 Bye guys. 19:38:00 #endmeeting