19:01:06 <gholms> #startmeeting Cloud SIG (11 Nov 2011)
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19:01:11 <gholms> #meetingname cloud
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19:01:18 <gholms> #topic Roll call
19:01:22 <gholms> Who's here today?
19:02:07 * gholms wonders how many people he should hilight at once
19:02:47 <verdurin> I'm here but I'm not sure I count
19:02:48 <gholms> rbergeron, gregdek, ke4qqq, mull, spevack: Ping; cloud meeting
19:03:01 * mull is here
19:03:04 * tflink is around
19:03:59 <gholms> Something tells me a bunch of people are getting thrown off by a time change. :\
19:04:26 <gholms> dgilmore, jforbes: Cloud meeting?
19:06:02 <gholms> Well, I guess we should get started with the people we have.  Hopefully more will show up soon.
19:06:05 <gholms> #topic EC2
19:06:16 * ke4qqq is here
19:06:28 * jdarcy is here.
19:07:03 <gholms> A few days after F16's release Amazon added a new region.
19:07:35 <jdarcy> How dare they?
19:07:42 <gholms> dgilmore mentioned that he would upload the F16 imags to it so people can use it there as well.
19:07:44 <verdurin> m,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,k
19:07:46 <gholms> *images
19:08:13 <verdurin> (sorry - cat)
19:08:26 <gholms> #info F16 images to be uploaded to new EC2 region shortly
19:08:58 <gholms> Has anyone tried the final images out?
19:10:12 <gholms> Ohhkay.  I guess not.
19:11:00 * verdurin plans to in the next few days
19:11:41 * gholms looks for other things from last week's minutes
19:11:53 <gholms> rbergeron is on a plane and she didn't leave me with an agenda.
19:12:02 <gholms> #topic Docs
19:12:41 <gholms> For those who don't know, we have a cloud guide.
19:12:44 <gholms> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Cloud_Guide/index.html
19:13:01 <gholms> #help Feedback on the cloud guide is requested
19:13:17 <gholms> Has anyone looked at it before?
19:13:25 <gholms> Or is anyone interested in looking at it? :)
19:13:28 * jdarcy should probably help with section 4.1.4
19:14:28 <gholms> Thanks!
19:14:58 <gholms> Moving on, I guess...
19:15:05 <gholms> #topic cloud.fp.o
19:15:24 * gholms attempts to summon johnmark
19:15:52 <jdarcy> Haven't seen or heard from him in a while.
19:16:05 <gholms> :(
19:16:06 <jdarcy> Which is weird, actually.
19:16:33 <gholms> Last week's conversation was *amazing*.
19:17:04 <jdarcy> Maybe people got all epic'ed out.
19:17:31 <ke4qqq> he's been at cloud expo all week
19:17:33 <gholms> Maybe.
19:17:36 <gholms> I bet everyone is...
19:17:38 <gholms> Yeah, that.
19:17:53 <gholms> Welp, this is going to be a short meeting!
19:17:55 <gholms> #topic Open floor
19:17:58 <gholms> Anything else?
19:18:07 <jdarcy> So what're we all going to do for F17?
19:18:21 * ke4qqq would like help for the swift testing - see message on cloud list last week.
19:18:58 <gholms> #help Testers wanted for swift; inquire on the cloud list
19:19:07 <gholms> jdarcy: Any ideas?
19:19:13 * gholms looks for the feature list
19:20:31 <gholms> I heard something about oVirt in last week's meeting.
19:20:58 <gholms> Unfortunately I don't see anyone here who would be very involved with that.
19:21:32 <jdarcy> There'll be some improvements in the GlusterFS/HekaFS space, but nothing I'd consider big enough to be a Feature.
19:22:06 <gholms> That would still be quite useful.
19:22:18 <verdurin> jdarcy: planning on HekaFS testing next week, now I have a couple of Microservers running F16
19:22:28 <jdarcy> verdurin: Cool!
19:23:12 <gholms> #info More GlusterFS/HekaFS improvements, testing to occur
19:23:14 <jdarcy> I wonder if we could pull in Tahoe-LAFS, or something NoSQL/BigData-ish.
19:24:39 <gholms> What have you tested it with in the past?
19:25:16 <jdarcy> Tested which with?
19:25:41 <gholms> Either one, I guess.
19:25:51 <gholms> I'm more curious about HekaFS, personally.
19:26:40 <jdarcy> HekaFS has been tested with all sorts of synthetic workloads, but sadly few real-world uses yet.  :(
19:26:51 <johnmark> :(
19:26:59 * johnmark waves
19:27:15 <jdarcy> I know some Red Hat customers have done POCs, but I'm pretty sure I can't name them.
19:27:42 * jdarcy waves back.
19:27:52 <johnmark> jdarcy: what would it take to make this more accessible / easier?
19:27:52 <gholms> johnmark!
19:27:59 <johnmark> gholms: howdy :)
19:29:17 <jdarcy> johnmark: Mostly management integration with GlusterFS, I think.  Right now setup is a bit weird, and the HekaFS management tools are as good as you'd expect if you knew a filesystem developer wrote them.  ;)
19:29:30 <johnmark> jdarcy: I figured as much
19:29:54 <johnmark> if there's not a plan to address that, I'm hoping we can come up with one soon
19:29:58 <jdarcy> johnmark: What's going on in ovirt-land?
19:30:15 <johnmark> I haven't had time to look at it
19:30:37 <johnmark> right now, ovirt folks are coming up with a plan for promotion and events
19:30:56 <rbergeron> hrm?
19:31:17 <johnmark> jdarcy: I made one attempt at building, but for whatever reason, maven2 on F16 didn't like the source code
19:31:33 <johnmark> rbergeron: from my brief readings of the mailing lists
19:31:44 <gholms> #chair rbergeron
19:31:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms rbergeron
19:31:45 <jdarcy> johnmark: Maven?  Part of the internet must have been unreachable for download.
19:32:16 <johnmark> jdarcy: and I made a note to come back adn look at it later. suffice it to say, it's not easy to get up and running yet
19:32:21 <rbergeron> hi
19:32:26 * rbergeron just landed
19:32:29 <johnmark> rbergeron: howdy :)
19:33:26 <johnmark> it's also a pebkac problem - I've never clearly understood java build processes
19:33:40 <sgordon> there is a lot of back and forth chatter in #ovirt helping people build it for the first time
19:33:43 <sgordon> i am working on this also
19:33:47 <johnmark> sgordon: ok
19:34:07 <johnmark> if you can help me, I'd appreciate it. now if they would only put their channel on freenode... ;)
19:34:15 <sgordon> as far as the promotion and events stuff we are just working at what we can get people to go to: http://www.ovirt.org/wiki/Outreach#Schedule
19:35:04 <gholms> Sounds like they need a relay bot.
19:35:15 <johnmark> sgordon: yup. and I've been meaning to take a look at that and add my input. should be able to do that today
19:35:21 <sgordon> one thing that i think will be important for the ovirt guys getting into fedora is some review of marek's AS7 packages!
19:35:36 <johnmark> ah...
19:35:47 <sgordon> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JBossAS7
19:36:13 <rbergeron> :)
19:36:55 * sgordon sits back down and stops side-tracking the meeting
19:37:12 <johnmark> sgordon: thanks for the tip
19:37:17 <rbergeron> hey, we live for sidetracking here
19:37:19 <rbergeron> :)
19:37:59 <johnmark> did somebody say 'Sidehackers'?
19:38:02 <johnmark> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sidehackers#Mystery_Science_Theater_3000
19:38:03 <rbergeron> lol
19:38:05 <rbergeron> bad
19:38:22 <johnmark> nm... carry on :)
19:38:42 <gholms> We've got 21 minutes left, so keep up with the sidetracking! :P
19:38:57 <rbergeron> pshaw
19:39:24 <rbergeron> hey, so, is anyone else working on new and cool stuff?
19:39:33 <rbergeron> ke4qqq: how is ceph goin?
19:39:36 <sgordon> she's filibustering her own meeting!
19:39:44 <sgordon> ;)
19:40:23 <gholms> sgordon: Better her than me. I'm boring.
19:41:14 <verdurin> Is there any interest in cloud-versions of the various Spins?
19:41:46 <rbergeron> verdurin: you mean... kde and design and security and etc?
19:42:13 <verdurin> rbergeron: yes - my interest would be especially in the new scientific one
19:42:22 <verdurin> and variations thereon
19:42:45 <gholms> The familiarity of your favourite spin, now with Internet-scale latency!
19:42:46 <verdurin> e.g. one with a bioinformatics slant
19:43:00 <gholms> That spin is a great candiate for that sort of thing.
19:43:04 <rbergeron> ahh
19:43:14 * rbergeron hadnt thought od that
19:43:32 <gholms> Do you think we could get testers for that?
19:43:34 <verdurin> There's a lot of Debian-based bioinformatics stuff and I'd like Fedora to be represented too
19:44:32 <verdurin> I know places and people to ask, though I can't guarantee the level of takeup
19:45:30 <rbergeron> maybe a mail to the list would be helpful?
19:45:37 <rbergeron> or between the two lists even
19:45:48 <verdurin> Yes, I'll do that
19:47:41 <smooge> looks out at the open floor
19:49:36 <gholms> Anything else?
19:50:20 <gholms> Thanks for coming, everyone!
19:50:24 <gholms> #endmeeting