19:00:37 <rbergeron> #startmeeting cloud sig
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19:00:48 * ke4qqq shows up
19:00:49 <rbergeron> #meetingname cloud sig
19:00:49 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig'
19:01:01 <rrix> Herroes!
19:01:03 <rbergeron> #chair ke4qqq gholms
19:01:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms ke4qqq rbergeron
19:01:06 <rbergeron> hai!
19:01:12 <rbergeron> #topic roll call
19:01:13 <rrix> rbergeron: How iz boston?
19:01:20 <rbergeron> #chair gholms
19:01:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms ke4qqq rbergeron
19:01:25 <gholms> Chirp, chirp
19:01:27 <rbergeron> rrix: almost outta here.
19:01:32 <rrix> hehe
19:01:38 * rbergeron notes shes running meeting via droid.
19:02:02 * rbergeron recruits ppl from cloud channel
19:02:10 <gholms> That explains your lack of caps and punctuation.
19:02:33 <rbergeron> not really
19:02:36 <rbergeron> lol
19:02:37 * kkeithley is here
19:02:43 <mgoldmann> and me too!
19:02:47 <rbergeron> mgoldmann! glad to see u
19:03:06 <rbergeron> alrighty, no jforbes maybe
19:03:23 <rbergeron> #topic boxgrinder
19:03:46 <mgoldmann> uh ah, I personally was pretty bsy with packaging Jboss AS lately
19:03:50 <mgoldmann> JBoss*
19:04:09 <mgoldmann> since a few days I'm back fixing stuff, no announcements yet
19:04:10 <rbergeron> mgoldmann: take it away
19:04:25 <mgoldmann> but msavy hunted and fixed some nasty EBS bug
19:04:44 <msavy> and mgoldmann has improved the validation stuff
19:04:49 <msavy> that is coming in 0.9.3 hopefully
19:05:00 <mgoldmann> yep, commited
19:05:19 <mgoldmann> ie: you'll not wait untile the actual build occurs - the whole plugin chain will be validated upfront
19:05:27 <rbergeron> :)
19:05:30 <ke4qqq> mgoldmann: any progress on our movie friends getting cla sorted to contribute cloudstack support?
19:05:58 <msavy> mgoldmann half wrote it in #boxgrinder anyway >.<
19:06:03 <mgoldmann> ke4qqq: not really, I was pretty distracted with other things so far, but I need to hunt Diranged so he signs CLA :)
19:06:15 <rbergeron> fedora cla/fpca? or....
19:06:17 <mgoldmann> after this - I'm ready to utilize his code in BG
19:06:23 <mgoldmann> rbergeron: JBoss CLA
19:06:24 <rbergeron> cloudstack cla
19:06:26 <rbergeron> oh
19:06:31 <rbergeron> so many cla's
19:06:33 <mgoldmann> https://cla.jboss.org/
19:06:33 <rbergeron> :)
19:06:46 <ke4qqq> mgoldmann: awesome
19:06:57 <mgoldmann> rbergeron: the contribution is quite big - it's a BG plugin for cloudstack
19:07:03 * rbergeron nods
19:07:06 <rbergeron> cool!
19:07:30 <mgoldmann> and I'm going to include also scientifix linux plugin from another contributor in next release
19:07:41 <msavy> overwriting is now supported in EBS and S3, although that isn't so exciting. basically it'll stomp existing assets, make sure they've vanished, then upload a fresh one with the old details.
19:08:10 <msavy> and with snapshotting it only overwrites the last one
19:08:22 <mgoldmann> overwriting as "upload the image to EC2 once again with removing old one"
19:09:04 <mgoldmann> so, I think that's it - work in progress :)
19:09:16 <rbergeron> cool. thanks :)
19:09:25 <rbergeron> #topic cloudfs
19:09:37 <rbergeron> jdarcy, kkeithley: yo
19:09:49 <jdarcy> Hm.  Finished the feature page, and the "how to contribute"
19:10:04 * rbergeron nods
19:10:07 <kkeithley> hauled my dev. env. up to F15 and using xfs for my bricks. switched to gluster built from git:glusterfs.master instead of using old koji pkgs, although I see that koji is catching up. got gluster running with was harder than it ought to be. But that's one of the things I presume we'll solve with packaging.
19:10:10 <jdarcy> Comments welcome: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CloudFS
19:10:17 <kkeithley> playing with packaging so I can act semi-intelligent at packaging discussions that jdarcy wants to have
19:10:18 <rbergeron> it's been approved by fesco, also, iirc.
19:10:28 <gholms> Yay
19:10:32 <jdarcy> rbergeron: Yep.  Thanks!  :)
19:11:03 <jdarcy> Worked out the details of a new crypto method that fixes the holes in the old one without sacrificing correctness or (too much) performance.
19:11:46 <jdarcy> Trying to think if there's anything else.  Oh yeah, the ;login: article is out, but still behind subscription wall.  :(
19:12:08 <kkeithley> s/got gluster running with was harder/got gluster running with new env. It was harder/
19:13:03 <rbergeron> jdarcy: bummer
19:13:06 <jdarcy> Question: is there a way to turn off commits being posted to the project -devel list?  Do I do that via an infrastructure ticket, or some other way?
19:13:12 <rbergeron> i wonder if theyd let it out as pdf
19:13:18 <rbergeron> in a few months
19:13:19 <jdarcy> I have drafts.  ;)
19:13:25 <ke4qqq> jdarcy: infra tcket will do that
19:13:37 <jdarcy> ke4qqq: OK, thanks.  It's getting kinda noisy.
19:14:02 <rbergeron> :)
19:14:16 <kkeithley> I'm hold off pushing a couple little commits until it's off
19:15:06 <rbergeron> anything else?
19:15:09 <jdarcy> Not for me.
19:15:16 <kkeithley> nope
19:15:32 <rbergeron> #topic cloudstack
19:15:33 <kkeithley> but--- any guidelines on packaging
19:15:44 <rbergeron> oh, go ahead
19:15:57 <kkeithley> send me an email
19:16:03 * ke4qqq is happy to help anyone in cloud-sig to get sponsored if they need help.
19:16:25 <rbergeron> kkeithley: was that a question or statement?
19:16:41 <kkeithley> question: any guidelines anywhere on packaging?
19:16:53 <ke4qqq> kkeithley: more than you want to see - let me get you a link
19:17:07 <jdarcy> kkeithley: Also, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=675050 is the package-review bz
19:17:15 <ke4qqq> kkeithley: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines
19:17:34 <ke4qqq> and there are literally scores, if not hundreds of pages that link from there.
19:17:55 <kkeithley> thanks, I think
19:18:16 <rbergeron> lol
19:18:32 <rbergeron> ke4qqq: how goes stackworld
19:19:02 <ke4qqq> well I am down to two outstanding dependencies....and getting upstream code cleaned up a bit as well.
19:19:30 <ke4qqq> hopefully next week will solve the rest of dependencies.
19:19:55 <ke4qqq> on an openstack front.... - updated swift is waiting on rrix to push and build python-netifaces
19:19:59 <rbergeron> wow. very nice
19:20:07 * rbergeron looks at rrix
19:20:08 <rrix> ke4qqq: Doing that -right now- :)
19:20:15 <rrix> EPEL branches are waiting on SCM admins
19:20:16 <rbergeron> ahh. kewl
19:20:21 <ke4qqq> rrix: AWESOME /me loves meetings for this reason.
19:20:49 <rrix> f14 build is done
19:21:12 <ke4qqq> nova - rrix did they ever make a decision about what to do wrt nova??
19:21:16 <ke4qqq> eg which review to use
19:21:32 <rrix> No, pushing that in to action is on my TODO for today
19:21:35 <gholms> Someone was going to ask the submitters to figure it out.
19:21:49 <rrix> probably after I get python-netifaces settled, or other $work stuff
19:22:08 <ke4qqq> rrix: cool
19:23:19 <rbergeron> alrighty.
19:23:23 <rbergeron> anything else here?
19:23:47 <rbergeron> #topic cloud guide docs etc.
19:24:07 * rbergeron notes that sparks_work is working on getting some of this stuff together...
19:24:24 <rbergeron> so we can have more comprehensive documentation for all the pieces going into fedora
19:24:40 <ke4qqq> ohhhh yeah - so if you want your stuff documented feel free to help or at least provide fodder for him
19:24:46 <gholms> goodluckwiththat
19:24:49 <rbergeron> so if you see him poking around, it's for a good cause.
19:24:51 <ke4qqq> he doesn't grok all of the stuff, but he's trying fill it out.
19:24:54 * Sparks_Work is here
19:25:12 <rbergeron> sparks_work: you have a wiki page ur working from or anything?
19:25:13 <gholms> Your efforts are appreciated. :)
19:25:41 <Sparks_Work> rbergeron: There are wiki pages out there...  I think there is a cloud category that you can attach to any wiki page that is cloud related.
19:25:49 * rbergeron nods
19:25:56 <rbergeron> i think theyre mostly tagged.
19:26:02 <Sparks_Work> #link http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Cloud_Guide/index.html
19:26:07 <rbergeron> of course people see any that arent... :)
19:26:11 <Sparks_Work> ^^^ That is the draft formal Cloud Guide...
19:26:39 <Sparks_Work> It's barebones right now... a framework.  I've done a little more than what you see right now but that's where we are.
19:26:40 <jdarcy> Is that separate from the [[Cloud SIG]] tag?
19:26:51 * Sparks_Work goes to look
19:27:23 <Sparks_Work> jdarcy: No... it's all the same.
19:27:34 <jdarcy> OK, thanks.
19:27:39 <Sparks_Work> So using [[Cloud SIG]] is most helpful.
19:27:47 <Sparks_Work> jdarcy: Thanks!
19:27:53 <rbergeron> cool :)
19:28:04 <Sparks_Work> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Cloud_SIG
19:28:31 <Sparks_Work> You can see from that link what's on the wiki now.  If it's important then please put it up there and I'll make sure it gets into the formal guide.
19:28:48 <Sparks_Work> Hope to get it out by F16.  I'll put it on that track anyway.
19:28:52 <rbergeron> cool.
19:28:56 <rbergeron> thank you :)
19:29:01 <gholms> #info Use the [[Cloud SIG]] tag for wiki pages plz
19:29:06 <Sparks_Work> +1
19:29:25 <Sparks_Work> And if ke4qqq has anything to say about it I might be running my own cloud at home so I understand this better... :)
19:29:41 <jdarcy> Correction: [[Category:Cloud SIG]] according to what's on the CloudFS page (and seems to work)
19:29:41 <rbergeron> lol
19:29:42 <ke4qqq> Sparks_Work: or multiple clouds :)
19:30:03 <Sparks_Work> ke4qqq: Don't want to start a thunderstorm...
19:30:18 <gholms> [A lone cricket bangs out a rim shot]
19:30:41 <Sparks_Work> heh
19:30:51 <rbergeron> hmmm
19:30:53 <rbergeron> well.
19:31:00 <rbergeron> #topic open floor
19:31:15 <rbergeron> i dont see any aeolus or jforbes here :)
19:31:41 <rbergeron> anyone else have anything?
19:31:53 <ke4qqq> sgordon mentioned owncloud
19:31:53 <rbergeron> thanks, sparks_work, btw. very appreciated.
19:31:59 <rbergeron> ah, yes.
19:32:05 <Sparks_Work> rbergeron: NP...  I enjoy learning new stuff.
19:32:10 <rbergeron> i think you were trolling rrix on it as well.
19:32:24 <rrix> waitwhat?
19:32:27 <Sparks_Work> too late
19:32:35 <ke4qqq> yeah, decided I would heap work on him til ehcache and python-netifaces look easy :)
19:32:39 <rbergeron> lol
19:32:51 <rrix> owncloud bundles SO MANY LIBS
19:32:59 <rrix> Or at least they did when I first looked at it
19:33:01 <jdarcy> Actually I'm curious about owncloud too.  Good to know, rrix.
19:33:22 <rrix> And fkartlitsheck(sp) didn't feel it was necessary to fix taht
19:33:31 <ke4qqq> rrix: see - ehcache is easy by comparison.
19:33:35 <ke4qqq> :)
19:33:38 <rrix> ke4qqq: :P
19:34:12 <rrix> I'll take another look at owncloud this weekend, if only because I want it for my server
19:34:23 <gholms> See Eucalyptus.  *That* one bundles a lot.
19:34:27 <jdarcy> I considered contacting owncloud to see if there were any areas worth collaborating on.  Any thoughts?
19:34:44 <ke4qqq> gholms: see my list for cloudstack?? I am just fortunate most are already in fedora.
19:35:01 <rrix> jdarcy: it's not very... cloudy right now, afaict, in terms of "ZOMG TO THE CLOUD" buzzwordiness.
19:35:08 <rrix> It's basically a webdav implementation :)
19:35:13 <jdarcy> Lame.
19:35:23 <rbergeron> lol
19:35:48 <rrix> They have goals for it, though, but development is slow
19:35:52 <jdarcy> I mean no disrespect to WebDAV, but  . . . err, can we strike that last from the record?
19:36:20 <rbergeron> lol
19:36:36 <rbergeron> probably not :)
19:36:37 <jdarcy> Darn, those infrastructure folks are good.  Commit emails already turned off for CloudFS.
19:36:50 <rbergeron> yes they are. :)
19:37:20 <rbergeron> okay, guys, anything else??
19:37:30 <gholms> [Everyone falls silent and stares.]
19:38:17 <rbergeron> well then.
19:38:26 <rbergeron> thanks for coming. have a great weekend :)
19:38:47 <jdarcy_> U2
19:38:51 <rbergeron> #endmeeting