16:03:01 #startmeeting Fedora CommOps (2018-10-31) 16:03:01 Meeting started Wed Oct 31 16:03:01 2018 UTC. 16:03:01 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:03:01 The chair is jwf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:03:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:03:01 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_commops_(2018-10-31)' 16:03:09 #meetingname commops 16:03:09 The meeting name has been set to 'commops' 16:03:11 #nick commops 16:03:13 #topic Agenda 16:03:19 #link https://infinote.fedoraproject.org/cgit/infinote/tree/meeting-templates/fedora-commops-meeting-next 16:03:22 #info (1) Roll call / Q&A 16:03:24 #info (2) Announcements 16:03:26 #info (3) Action items from last meeting 16:03:28 #info (4) Tickets 16:03:30 #info (5) Open floor 16:03:32 #topic Roll call / Q&A 16:03:38 #info Name; Timezone; Sub-projects/Interest Areas 16:03:40 #action commops New members, please introduce yourself on the CommOps mailing list [ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/commops/contribute/join/ ] 16:03:43 If this is your first time at a CommOps meeting, feel free to introduce yourself to everyone and say hello! If anyone has any questions before we get started with the rest of the agenda, now is also a good time to ask. 16:03:50 .hello jflory7 16:03:51 jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 16:04:09 .hello x3mboy 16:04:14 We can wait a few more minutes for any other folks to arrive. 16:04:20 I need to work on that 16:04:22 #chair x3mboy 16:04:22 Current chairs: jwf x3mboy 16:04:23 Really 16:04:52 @x3mboy: Work on what? 16:05:14 And good afternoon o/ 16:05:28 On the bridge being able to send commands to zodbot 16:07:30 Hi 16:08:01 Oh, all good :-) 16:08:21 I'm behind on Teleirc development… hope to get cycles to spare on the open PRs later in November. 16:08:23 #chair bt0 16:08:23 Current chairs: bt0 jwf x3mboy 16:08:28 * jwf waves to @bt0dotninja 16:08:33 We can go ahead and get started. 16:08:40 #topic Announcements 16:08:45 #info === bt0 as new CommOps representative to Mindshare === 16:08:57 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/161 16:08:57 #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/55 16:08:57 #info For the next two Fedora release cycles, bt0 replaces jwf as the Mindshare Committee representative. More details in the above two links. ¡Buena suerte, bt0! 16:09:04 #info === "FPgM report: 2018-43" === 16:09:09 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fpgm-report-2018-43/ 16:09:09 #info This week in Fedora is brought to you in part by bcotton. Featuring the F29 release (now done) and future Fedora 30 changes. 16:09:16 #info === "Fedora Women’s Day 2018 – Lima, Peru" === 16:09:22 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-womens-day-2018-lima-peru/ 16:09:22 #info Event report from solanch69 on the FWD event held in Lima, Peru last month. 16:09:24 16:09:30 Anyone else have anything they want to share? 16:09:55 :) 16:09:57 the release? 16:10:59 Oh, yeah :D 16:11:03 I always miss the super obvious! 16:11:05 #info Announcing the release of Fedora 29 16:11:17 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-29/ 16:11:17 Woot!!! \o/ 16:11:25 Fedora women's Day was in Munich 16:11:29 :) 16:11:29 Let me find the link 16:11:41 hi bee o/ 16:11:48 \o/ 16:11:54 * jwf waves to bee2502 16:12:04 https://www.google.de/amp/s/cib-events.de/2018/10/23/a-summary-fedora-womens-day/amp/ 16:12:30 #info === Fedora Women's Day 2018 in Munich, Germany === 16:12:31 #link https://cib-events.de/2018/10/23/a-summary-fedora-womens-day/ 16:12:38 bee2502++ thanks for sharing :-) 16:12:38 jwf: Karma for bee2502 changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:12:42 o/ 16:12:53 And bt0++ too 16:12:53 jwf: Karma for bt0dotninja changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:12:53 Have to go .. still in class 🙈 16:13:09 wooo cookies 16:13:11 @bee2502: No problem. See you! 16:13:12 Oh!! 16:13:19 I forgot, these are new F29 cookies. 16:13:24 Fresh out of the oven :D 16:13:28 Any other announcements? 16:13:34 Going once… 16:13:43 Going twice… 16:13:49 And thrice. 16:13:54 #topic Action items from last meeting 16:13:57 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-commops/2018-10-10/commops.2018-10-10-16.03.html 16:14:02 #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward. 16:14:13 #info === [COMPLETE] "bt0 Create a FAW announcement draft for the Fedora Magazine to review by Monday, Oct. 15" === 16:14:18 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/say-thanks-appreciation-week-2018/ 16:14:18 #info Now published, and even includes some nice comments from the wider user community. Give it a look! 16:14:24 bt0 Complete a first draft of new CommOps docs page on suggested Pagure tags by Wednesday, Oct. 17 16:14:36 bt0: Any updates here? Do you want to re-action post-FAW? 16:14:49 reaction me please 16:15:20 Yep. We can get caught up on things once we finish up with FAW. I think this will take all our bandwidth in the coming week. 16:15:47 #info === [IN PROGRESS] "bt0 Complete a first draft of new CommOps docs page on suggested Pagure tags by Wednesday, Oct. 17" === 16:15:47 #action bt0 Complete a first draft of new CommOps docs page on suggested Pagure tags (due: post-FAW, revisit later) 16:15:55 #info === [IN PROGRESS] "jwf Prepare all contributor story CommBlog articles (to automatically publish during FAW) before Wednesday, Oct. 31 meeting" === 16:15:55 #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/first-draft-preview-of-appreciation-week-commblog-article/581/4 16:15:55 #info jwf Prepare all contributor story CommBlog articles (to automatically publish during FAW) by Sunday, Nov. 4th 16:16:17 ^^ I have to get more of these out in the coming week. @jonatoni left me some feedback I need to work in, but otherwise, I'm going to start scheduling these for each day. 16:16:21 OMG! I have another story to write 16:16:43 * jonatoni is partially here 16:16:47 @x3mboy: Try to get it in before the weekend if possible and it has the best chance of being included in the CommBlog. Also, feel free to shoulder-tap others, especially in local communities 16:16:56 * jwf waves to jonatoni 16:17:04 But she is always here -> <3 16:17:06 #info === [COMPLETE] "jwf Start a Discourse thread to solicit and gather photos we can feature in these articles later" === 16:17:06 #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/what-are-your-favorite-moments-from-the-fedora-community-tell-us-in-photos/504 16:17:06 #info So far, no photos shared. 16:17:12 @x3mboy: :D 16:17:18 * jonatoni waves back to jwf 16:17:23 #info === [COMPLETE] "jwf Start Discourse thread about Ticket #159 (Docs hack-fest) and post to Join SIG + Docs mailing list asking for participation" === 16:17:23 #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-docs-community-contribution-hack-fest-with-user-communities/503 16:17:23 #info Interesting feedback so far. Several comments from the wider community. 16:17:28 16:17:35 That's all the action items from last time. 16:17:38 hi x3mboy :) 16:17:40 #topic Tickets 16:17:43 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issues?status=Open&priority=20 16:17:51 #topic Ticket #110: "Fedora Appreciation Week 2018" 16:17:51 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/110 16:17:51 #link https://screenshots.firefox.com/xu7fdJ4v3sVLlQYh/etherpad.gnome.org 16:17:51 Coming next week! 16:17:59 Cool 16:18:00 So… it's almost here! 16:18:18 yeah 16:18:20 After all the work we do! 16:18:26 Yes! 16:18:31 I'm excited :-) 16:18:55 Especially after the surprise of many comments on the Fedora Magazine article from people outside the community 16:19:11 The only things I see remaining are the CommBlog articles with contributor stories and then also a post to the announce@ mailing list 16:19:14 It's really cool to see how a cloud of steam that is an idea transform into an initiative and that into actions and an awesome week will have 16:19:41 @x3mboy: It's one of the things I love about doing things in the Fedora community. :-) 16:20:15 #info jwf is planning to schedule the remaining Contributor Story excerpts on the Community Blog over the weekend (i.e. by Sunday, Nov. 4) 16:20:36 Would anyone want to help get an announcement onto announce@lists.fp.o? 16:20:50 That can be me 16:20:51 It could be a quick summary of the Fedora Magazine article, or even copy+paste a paragraph plus a link. 16:21:07 sounds good 16:21:08 @x3mboy: Awesome – think you could get it done today? And have you ever sent a post to the announce@ list before? 16:21:27 1. Yes 16:21:27 2. No 16:22:22 take a little time for the approbation, right? 16:23:04 @x3mboy: Cool. The process is to go ahead and send the post straight to the list, and then get help from Infra Team in #fedora-admin to approve the post. 16:23:18 Ok 16:23:23 @x3mboy: I think nirik or relrod have pushed emails through for me in the past, so they are probably good to ping. 16:23:26 I can do a quick connection to IRC 16:23:34 @x3mboy: Or, actually use the .oncall command, I forget we have that now too 16:23:39 .oncall 16:23:39 smooge (Stephen Smoogen) is oncall. I am normally available M-F 1300-2200 UTC. If I am unavailable or do not respond, please file a ticket at https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue 16:24:02 @x3mboy: If you can get that shipped today, that would be great to get the word out sooner than later :-) 16:24:05 I'll action you now 16:24:37 #action x3mboy Send an email to announce@lists.fp.o with Appreciation Week announcement and link to Fedora Magazine article before end of day on Wednesday, Oct. 31 16:24:50 Anything else about FAW we want to discuss or anticipate…? 16:24:55 I will have it today 16:25:01 I'm trying to think of what else we can do to prep 16:25:07 x3mboy++ Thank you sir :-) 16:25:07 jwf: Karma for x3mboy changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:25:17 Prepare a set of Tweets 16:25:22 And Facebook Post 16:25:33 To sent to jonatoni and you to publish 16:25:35 :D 16:25:51 @x3mboy: Oh! Yes. Unfortunately, the Fedora social media is a bit of a black box. I can help with Twitter and schedule tweets, but I need help for other platforms like Facebook and Google+ 16:26:38 #action jwf Schedule tweet excerpts of Contributor Stories on Twitter by Sunday, Nov. 4th 16:26:47 @x3mboy: Good catch 16:27:08 @x3mboy / bt0: Would either of you want to help on the Facebook / Google+ side? 16:27:23 that will be great 16:27:29 me 16:27:29 I want to, but I have no access to Facebook account 16:27:36 Maybe I have access to G+ 16:27:37 Which mostly means herding cats and pinging people to get things scheduled :) 16:27:37 Not sure 16:27:46 Also, G+ will be online yet that week? 16:27:46 I can help only with Twitter and Instagram - but jwf is doing Twitter so I can help with Instagram :) 16:28:16 jonatoni: Ooh, I always forget Instagram. Your help there is appreciated too. Can I action you for Instagram social media posts next week? 16:28:28 yes :) 16:28:35 @x3mboy: Wait, is G+ getting shut down this week? bexelbie mentioned the same thing elsewhere, but I thought the shut-down is 2019 16:28:46 .thank jonatoni 16:28:47 jwf thinks jonatoni is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to jonatoni++ also) 16:29:05 #action jonatoni Schedule Instagram posts during Appreciation Week to correspond with Contributor Story excerpts on CommBlog 16:29:06 Not sure 16:29:12 Need to double check 16:29:13 jwf: btw we have some photo on Google Drive that we can use as well for Instagram, but we need more 16:29:44 Yes, it's August 2019 16:29:47 jonatoni: I'll see if I can shoulder-tap a few folks but turns out collecting photos is hard. I think we didn't get much visibility. I am wondering about posting to the devel@ list… 16:29:47 So we are ok 16:29:59 @x3mboy: Cool, so not something we have to worry about now at least 16:30:12 Until Google turns down the search juice power on Google+, posting there is still valuable 16:30:39 sure 16:31:07 Okay, so we have CommBlog story articles, the announce@ mailing list, social media coverage… anything else? 16:31:21 Oh, and I might have Google+ access so maybe I can help with that. I need to double-check again 16:33:09 I have access 16:33:11 I think we're on track y'all 16:33:20 I can't think of anything else to prep… 16:33:27 Other than to contain some of my excitement 16:33:35 :p 16:33:47 Anything else for Appreciation Week discussion? We also need to cover some F29 milestone tickets and triage a bit, now that F29 is out the door. 16:33:58 FAW discussion / planning, going once… 16:34:03 I need to go 16:34:05 :'( 16:34:09 Going twice… 16:34:18 @x3mboy: No worries, it happens. We'll catch up soon. Ciao o/ 16:34:19 And thrice. 16:34:25 #topic Special: Fedora 29 milestone triage 16:34:25 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/roadmap/Fedora%2029%20%28to%20Oct.%202018%29/ 16:34:49 So, I did some of the triage last night, but there are three tickets still open that we targeted for F29. 16:34:55 * jonatoni is very excited about FAW :D 16:35:09 #info === Ticket #55: "Fedora Podcast Episode" === 16:35:14 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/155 16:35:20 jejeje 16:35:24 Oh 16:35:27 Heheh 16:35:33 #info === Ticket #165: "Investigate existing onboarding / joining guidelines for different Fedora sub-projects" === 16:35:35 Sorry, next week I'm available the whole week 16:35:38 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/165 16:35:50 #info === Ticket #178: "Pilot run a CommOps section on discussion.fedoraproject.org" === 16:35:54 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/178 16:35:59 Also, is ok if we skip, since the 2 season is delayed since I want to relaunch it with the website 16:36:15 That give us some time 16:36:40 @x3mboy / bt0: So we will re-target the podcast for F30. Seems reasonable? This means May 2019 16:36:53 * jwf really hopes we can get it by May!! :D 16:37:04 Sure 16:37:08 +1 16:37:21 bt0: And do you want to do the same for Ticket #165 too? 16:37:33 yes 16:38:26 Cool, updating those two tickets 16:38:34 The only other one I wanted to discuss was the Discourse ticket 16:38:46 We had a slow start to using it (thanks to me), but we've been "using it" for a couple of weeks now 16:38:56 Anyone have any feedback? Positive or negative? 16:39:08 Now could be a time to revisit if we want to switch our mailing list to "archive only" mode 16:39:10 I have 16:39:27 @x3mboy: please share :-) 16:39:42 pagure.issue.edit -- jflory7 edited the milestone and priority fields of ticket fedora-commops#155 https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/155 16:39:49 pagure.issue.edit -- jflory7 edited the milestone fields of ticket fedora-commops#165 https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/165 16:40:22 The thing is that is still annoying to open a new tab in my browser, but I don't have Gmail access at work, so now I'm +1 to keep discourse as main communication channel 16:40:36 Does that make sense? 16:40:51 #info What is the feedback from using Discourse so far? Is now a good time to consider archiving the mailing list? 16:41:14 #info x3mboy: New tab in browser still annoying, but since no email access at work anyways, Discourse is preferred 16:41:38 +1 too 16:41:56 #info jwf: Finding it easier to use. Also noticing older conversations getting more traffic (e.g. after a few days, someone might reply). Also feels like more people outside of our team are participating in threads. 16:42:14 ^^ there is a caveat that I did solicit feedback on one of those threads, the docs thread, but I also imagine doing the same thing with a mailing list and it feels harder 16:42:34 I am +1 to making a final "shut-down" of the list in two weeks, so we have time to communicate it closing down 16:42:40 Hopefully better than what I did for Discourse. 16:42:50 Maybe Wednesday, Nov. 14th? 16:43:10 Maybe let the list to complete the year? 16:43:22 New year is not that far 16:43:52 @x3mboy: Perhaps. I also want to try and drive more participation to Discourse. My concern is if two places to discuss (even if one is not advertised) is more or less confusing. 16:44:16 Oh ok 16:44:23 I wonder if it is better to make the commops@lists.fp.o read-only, update the mailing list description to point to our Discourse sub-forum, and close this ticket 16:44:39 I agree that is better to have only one place to communicate, otherwise it is confusing for people 16:44:40 So yes, Nov 14th sounds good 16:44:41 What do you think? 16:44:47 +1 to discourse as well 16:44:49 Okay, cool. :-) 16:45:29 IDK why I have so much feelings about old technologies 16:45:34 #agreed Overall, core contributors agree that Discourse is more convenient and better to use for our sub-project. We plan to set commops@lists.fp.o to read-only on Wednesday, Nov. 14th. 16:45:41 Wiki, ML 16:45:54 My era is dying 16:46:03 Does someone want to help out and drop a reminder to the commops@ list today (and then another reminder next week) and link to the Discourse forum? 16:46:22 @x3mboy: In a way, I think it's cool because forums used to be big a long time ago, then slowly died out, but now making a comeback :-) 16:46:34 Forum software, even if it is modern and pretty, still feels old to me but I don't mind 16:47:13 i can send the mail 16:47:14 Well, at least IRC is never going to die 16:47:37 bt0++ Awesome, thanks. You can get the one today and then I'll make an action for next week to remind us to do it again. 16:48:09 #action bt0 Post a reminder to commops@lists.fp.o that we migrated to Discourse, mailing list will be archived on Nov. 14th, and share link to Discourse CommOps category 16:48:27 bt0: ^^ think you can get this one today too? Just two or three sentences is fine, it doesn't need to be a long email. 16:48:43 yeah today 16:49:02 #action commops Remember to send a second reminder about CommOps mailing list going away to Discourse on Wednesday, Nov. 7th 16:49:11 bt0: Great, thank you sir \o/ 16:49:49 Cool! I think we have this ticket figured out too. I'll push it to F30 milestone, but I think it will be one of the first tickets we close this cycle 16:50:12 pagure.issue.assigned.added -- jflory7 assigned ticket fedora-commops#178 to bt0dotninja https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/178 16:50:13 pagure.issue.edit -- jflory7 edited the milestone and priority fields of ticket fedora-commops#178 https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/178 16:50:36 Anything else on mailing lists / Discourse we want to cover? Otherwise, we can jump to open floor. 16:50:49 F29 ticket triage / Discourse discussion, going once… 16:50:59 Going twice… 16:51:09 And thrice. 16:51:13 #topic Open floor 16:51:17 Phew! We made it to the end. 16:51:34 I remember a long time ago when we used to have 90-120 minute meetings… I don't miss that. :D 16:51:57 Anyone have anything to share on the floor? 16:52:22 not from me 16:52:57 Me either 16:53:04 .chair 16:53:04 jwf: (chair ) -- Alias for "echo $1 is seated in a chair with a nice view of a placid lake, unsuspecting that another chair is about to be slammed into them.". 16:53:12 #chair 16:53:12 Current chairs: bt0 jwf x3mboy 16:53:48 If not, I'll close out in another minute. 16:54:47 Thanks all for coming out today! Super excited for what's to come. 16:54:51 Enjoy the rest of your week! 16:54:52 #endmeeting