#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:00:41

!startmeeting Fedora Community Ops - 2025-04-01

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

14:00:45

Meeting started at 2025-04-01 14:00:41 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

14:00:46

The Meeting name is 'Fedora Community Ops - 2025-04-01'

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:00:51

!meetingname commops

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

14:00:52

The Meeting Name is now commops

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:01:01

!topic Agenda

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:01:21

!info Intros, welcomes, hellos (~5m)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:01:25

!info Team announcements & news (~5-10m)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:01:29

!info Ticket discussions (remaining time)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:01:33

!info Open floor (remaining 5-10 minutes)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:01:45

!topic Intros, welcomes, hellos

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:02:02

!hi

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:02:02

Hey folks! Good morning, good afternoon, good evening.

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:02:04

Justin W. Wheeler (jflory7) - he / him / his

<@markrosenbaum:fedora.im>

14:02:08

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:02:10

Mark Rosenbaum (markrosenbaum)

<@davidct:fedora.im>

14:02:15

hi!

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

14:02:20

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:02:23

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:02:35

The `!` is a command prefix for zodbot, try writing it like `!hi` and the bot will listen to you 🙂

<@davidct:fedora.im>

14:02:48

Ah, ok :)

<@davidct:fedora.im>

14:02:50

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:02:51

David Cuenca Tudela (davidct)

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

14:02:54

woo!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:02:58

🙌

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:03:15

I hope folks are having a good beginning of the week.

<@chris_idoko:matrix.org>

14:03:28

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:03:30

Chris Idoko (chris)

<@gonza_gertrude_agatha:matrix.org>

14:03:42

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:03:45

Gonza Gertrude Agatha (gonza-gertrude-agatha) - she / her / hers

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:03:55

So, we sometimes have a fun icebreaker question to ask the group while we wait for quorum 🙂

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:04:08

So, as today's meeting chair, I have a quick question for you…

<@Zlopez:matrix.org>

14:04:36

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:04:39

Michal Konecny (zlopez)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:04:54

For folks not using Element, it is a poll: Coffee or tea? Coffee; Tea; Both; Neither

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:05:15

Oh, there is a clear favorite 🙂

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:05:51

Maybe we should be calling our CommOps meetings as tea parties instead 😆

<@Zlopez:matrix.org>

14:05:51

It seems that polls are not working in Cinny :-D

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:06:02

OK. We are 5 minutes past time.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:06:05

Let's get going!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:06:19

!topic Team announcements & news

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:06:26

Polls seem to be Element-exclusive 😕

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:06:33

!info === "End of OpenID authentication in Fedora Account System"===

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:06:42

!link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/end-of-openid-authentication-in-fedora-account-system/

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:06:50

!info "On the latest Fedora Infrastructure weekly meeting we decided on a date of OpenID authentication sunset. The date is 20th May 2025. The OpenID is being replaced by OpenIDConnect (OIDC) in most of the modern web and most of the Fedora infrastructure is already using OIDC as the default authentication method. OIDC offers us better security by handling both authentication and authorization. It also allows us to have more control over services that are using Fedora Account System (FAS) for authentication."

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:00

Zlopez++ Thanks for keeping the community up-to-date here.

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:07:04

jflory7 has already given cookies to zlopez during the F41 timeframe

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:13

!info === "Proposal to move Community Blog to Fedora Discussion" ===

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:19

!link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/proposal-to-move-community-blog-to-fedora-discussion/

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:25

!info See this proposal from March to migrate the Fedora Community Blog to Fedora Discussion. Although this proposal does not yet have an owner, we have not received strongly negative feedback on this proposal yet. In the coming quarter or two, this could be a good candidate project for CommOps if we find someone to be the project lead.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:43

!info === Flock is coming: 5-8 June 2025, Prague CZ ===

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:47

!link https://fedoraproject.org/flock/2025/

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:52

!info The annual Fedora contributor conference, Flock, is open for registration. The final event schedule is due very soon. We hope you could consider joining us in Prague this year if it is possible for you. If you need help with travel advice or getting to know more info about the event, join #flock:fedoraproject.org on Matrix.

<@Zlopez:matrix.org>

14:07:52

We will probably have an update that will postpone the date

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:54

<eof>

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:08:04

Aha. Good to know 👀

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:08:14

I guess this is about a short-term Ipsilon server for OpenID requests?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:08:25

I remember seeing something about that somewhere

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:08:45

Anyone else have some news or announcements to share?

<@Zlopez:matrix.org>

14:09:03

Yes, we will be keeping one instance just for this with big red banner that it will go away

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:09:11

I will give it until :10 after before moving on to the next agenda topic.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:09:53

Oh, one thing I forgot to do earlier for record-keeping purposes

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:10:51

!info Present: @jflory7, @markrosenbaum, @neil, @davidct, @chris, @gonza-gertrude-agatha, @zlopez

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:11:05

Alright, so that is :10 after.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:11:09

Let's press on 🙂

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:11:14

!topic Ticket discussions

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:11:22

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/commops/home/-/issues/?label_name%5B%5D=meeting%20topic%20request

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:11:25

I see two tickets.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:11:46

!topic #69: "Launch and maintain a new docs hub for project-wide contributor community best practices and norms"

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:11:50

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/commops/home/-/issues/69

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:12:28

Right, so I had kicked off this conversation right before my leave.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:12:37

I see Chris Onoja Idoko has been active on this issue too.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:13:07

We were talking about the UI/UX aspects.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:13:29

But this issue is mostly about technical writing and documentation too.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:13:38

So we could spend time on this in a couple of different ways.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:14:47

> _Want to add something but need more time to type?_ Send an excalamation point or exclamation point emoji in the chat. ❗️

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:14:47

Oh, also since we have a lot of first-timers in the meeting today, and our meetings can sometimes move pretty fast, here is a convention we use to make sure everyone has a chance to share their ideas and feedback:

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:14:47

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:14:47

> _Want to ask a question but need the discussion to slow down a bit?_ Send a raised hand or question mark emoji in the chat. ✋❓️

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:15:16

How do i join?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:15:26

This project, you mean?

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:15:40

No, the meeting, or is it text only?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:16:03

Ah! Today's meeting is text-only. We switch between text and video every other week. In two weeks, our next meeting will be over video in #commops-lounge:fedoraproject.org.

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:16:13

Ah i see

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:16:54

Guess ill wait around for the moderation topic :)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:17:06

I think we need some help from someone who would like to contribute as a technical writer. We could better organize our content in the way described in the issue. We could also migrate specific types of content from the Wiki into the CommOps docs.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:17:20

There is a special Wiki redirect script we can use to point Wiki pages to Fedora Docs pages.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:17:31

I am really keen to think about UI/UX enhancements to the theme, though.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:17:41

I think the kind of information we want to document is tricky in what we have in the Antora site theme today.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:18:04

I would love to think through how we could improve it, and lend some support to the #docs:fedoraproject.org team on improving the theme.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:18:12

This is what I got so far.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:18:31

I can do some of this, like help update some of the content, but I think my time would be better spent as a reviewer of PRs to the docs site.

<@chris_idoko:matrix.org>

14:18:32

I'd like to explore methods for making the knowledge base more accessible, How can we structure the knowledge base to provide an easier understanding with just a one page view before the main content

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:18:40

I can bring some of my knowledge and experience into the PR reviews.

<@chris_idoko:matrix.org>

14:19:20

especially newcomers, to quickly grasp an overview

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:19:29

Mmm. Do you have some specific ideas already in mind? Or should we create a sub-task on this issue to have a more focused discussion about UI/UX improvements?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:19:38

Something that was easier to navigate and drill down visually would go a long way

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:19:50

I also think something like Quick Docs could stand to benefit from something like this too

<@chris_idoko:matrix.org>

14:19:56

A sub task will be perfect

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:20:01

But I am thinking specifically of CommOps contributor-focused docs at the moment

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:20:18

OK. Let me go and create that on GitLab really quick, and we can open up a wider discussion on this with the Docs Team too.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:20:25

Does anyone else have questions, ideas, or thoughts?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:20:37

Or know about content pages that you reference often that could fit into the CommOps docs?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:20:50

This is a good opportunity to think about how we can make important information for contributors easier to find.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

14:24:31

heyo, sorry.. got dragged away 😐

<@Zlopez:matrix.org>

14:24:39

I would say that adding them where they would like to contribute will be probably best, like the contribution guide on community blog

<@thisisyaash:fedora.im>

14:25:32

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:25:33

Yashwanth Rathakrishnan (thisisyaash)

<@thisisyaash:fedora.im>

14:25:50

hello everyone 👋

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:25:53

Got it.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:25:55

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/commops/home/-/work_items/71

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:26:16

Chris Onoja Idoko: Can I put you to task to add some thoughts in this task, and also to follow up with #docs:fedoraproject.org and get the team to take a look at this too?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:26:21

We definitely want to include their feedback.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:26:31

Heheh it happens.

<@chris_idoko:matrix.org>

14:26:54

Sure you can 👍️

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:26:56

True. Maybe it would help to break up the content changes more clearly? I guess it can be hard to figure out where to start.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:27:06

Hey Yaash, welcome! 👋

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:27:14

!info +Present: @thisisyaash

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:27:31

OK, great.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:27:52

!info Created a new sub-task on issue #69 to brainstorm an implementation plan for UI/UX enhancements to the Fedora Docs Antora theme.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:28:09

!action @chris Add a comment to task #71 with feedback on the proposed implementation plan

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:28:20

!action @chris Share task #71 with the Docs Team on Matrix in #docs:fedoraproject.org

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:29:19

Maybe this would be a good action for me, to come up with some more clear asks on how to update/migrate content. I could spend some time brainstorming on the information hierarchy, but I would need help from others to make the changes to the docs site and help migrate Wiki content into AsciiDoc.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:29:44

Not sure if anyone else has thoughts, but I am curious too if anyone is interested in helping out with this.

<@aggraxis:fedora.im>

14:30:46

I'll be honest, I haven't spent a ton of time with the Wiki.

<@aggraxis:fedora.im>

14:31:05

I have edited and written a couple of the adoc pages, though. I can probably help.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:31:27

Awesome Paul Maconi (Aggraxis)! I think your experience with the Join SIG would add a lot of valuable perspective to this work.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:31:38

The goal is to create a common resource that contributors can get useful information about contributing.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:31:57

It is something that intersects closely with onboarding new contributors, and I am always seeing you do a great job at this 🙂

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:32:11

Paul Maconi (Aggraxis): Could I tag you to comment on the GitLab issue to volunteer with helping on AsciiDoc content?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:32:21

I will give myself an action item to come up with some actionable first steps.

<@aggraxis:fedora.im>

14:32:24

True. That's always the big nagging question. How can I help, and where do I start? It's commonly overwhelming for folks

<@aggraxis:fedora.im>

14:32:56

The work item 71?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:33:07

!action @jflory7 Revise CommOps issue #69 into more clear asks about how to write and import other content into our docs site due:2025-04-15

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:33:19

Paul Maconi (Aggraxis): #69 if content and AsciiDoc are more your thing!

<@aggraxis:fedora.im>

14:33:25

ok thanks

<@aggraxis:fedora.im>

14:33:45

(It will take me a minute to sign in. I'm at work :P)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:33:55

No problem!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:34:02

What is your FAS username again?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:34:18

!hi aggraxis

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:34:20

Paul Maconi (aggraxis) - he / him / his

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:34:26

Easy enough 🙂

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:34:43

!action @aggraxis Comment on issue #69 about volunteering to help with content writing and editing on the knowledgebase project

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:34:55

With that, I think we covered good ground on this issue today.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:35:06

Maybe there is more we could discuss, but I know we have some folks waiting for the next topic 🙂

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:35:22

Let's check back in on this one in two weeks. There are some action items up in the air now at least.

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:35:29

<offtopic>sigh, i hate emojis sometimes xD

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:35:39

!topic #70: "Fedora Matrix Moderation: Adding as a CommOps responsibility"

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:35:44

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/commops/home/-/issues/70

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:35:45

woohoo

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:35:58

Oh that is an awkward render 😛

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:36:06

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/commops/home/-/issues/70

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:36:11

yep :p

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:36:16

OK, so this issue is pretty fresh, or at least in its current form

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:36:26

We were having a lot of discussion about it in #commops:fedoraproject.org over the last hour

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:36:35

I'm curious for peoples' thoughts, and what things people would like to help with.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:37:02

Particularly, the _Details_ section

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:37:19

I am just making things up as I go, but this feels like some good, actionable things we can start doing today

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:37:26

And folks could volunteer for different tasks on that list

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:37:28

Any thoughts?

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:38:07

i see some point in the list there, and will provide this: https://cgit.rory.gay/Rory-Open-Architecture.git/tree/host/Rory-ovh/services/containers/draupnir-fedora/services/draupnir.nix

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:38:44

that addresses the configuration part, at least for the half that isnt defined on runtime :)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:40:52

Oh, I just noticed this comment too: https://gitlab.com/fedora/commops/home/-/issues/70#note_2428688075

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:41:33

yeah i just did too and wanted to ask if someone could reply that the synapse issue is impossible to address, and that the element one is addressed by using draupnir :)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:46

- _Stretch goal_: Consider improvements to Matrix chat bots used by the community and possibly implement them in code, e.g. zodbot and MeetBot

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:46

Here are the tasks I could see us using help with:

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:46

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:46

- Draft a description of the responsibility and identify key tasks; add this as a new section to the CommOps docs site

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:46

- Identify more candidates for room admins and moderators; conduct a nomination process through GitLab nomination issues for new admins and moderators

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:46

- Organize monthly roundtable Matrix meetings to check in on issues, challenges, and support needed for moderation in our community rooms

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:46

- Evaluate tools and methods used to protect our chat rooms from abuse, e.g. Drapunir rules and configuration

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:46

- Create a new GitLab issue template for nominating a Matrix room admin or moderator

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:42:26

!info Emma [it/its] notes that the Synapse issue is impossible to address, and that the Element one is addressed by using draupnir bot in #fedora:fedoraproject.org

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:42:48

Finding a way to share the Draupnir bot with more rooms might be useful too. Like for #devel:fedoraproject.org, it is our next most-active chat room

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:44:02

Is someone interested in taking on any of the tasks in the list above, or have ideas for additional tasks or things we could do?

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:44:23

i can cooperate on getting the bot enabled in more places :)

<@myloothniel:matrix.org>

14:44:23

Justin W. Wheeler (@jflory7): I would like to volunteeer to moderate the monthly roundtable meetings

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:44:44

That should probably be added to the task list, actually 🙂

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:45:09

im the one hosting the bot for now anyways, so its just a matter of me joining the rooms and inviting the bot/running `!draupnir add <room>`

<@thisisyaash:fedora.im>

14:45:30

I'm more interested on "Drapunir rules and configuration" 👀

<@thisisyaash:fedora.im>

14:45:30

but i dont know anything about it...is it okay for me to help out and learn as I work on it?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:45:30

OK, awesome! But I think we should maybe get some of the other pieces in place first. I think building up a team first could be helpful. What do you think about writing the GitLab issue template?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:45:46

Ah, I guess this line could be revised to be more specific to your work on Draupnir:

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:45:46

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:45:46

`Evaluate tools and methods used to protect our chat rooms from abuse, e.g. Drapunir rules and configuration`

<@thisisyaash:fedora.im>

14:45:51

or does that requires someone who is experienced?

<@thisisyaash:fedora.im>

14:46:34

but i dont know anything about it...is it okay for me to help out and learn as I work on it?

<@thisisyaash:fedora.im>

14:46:34

I'm more interested on "Drapunir rules and configuration" 👀

<@thisisyaash:fedora.im>

14:46:34

or does that requires someone who is experienced?

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:47:00

i'm not sure its a good idea to give users that arent explicitly trusted in the community access to the bot

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:47:31

that line is i linked the configuration file :)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:47:52

I think this is part of the process we need to figure out. The nomination process is probably important.

<@myloothniel:matrix.org>

14:47:52

Yes, I think that works. How do I go about writing the template?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:48:07

In the DEI Team, we have a process that works well for existing team members nominating new team members into the team.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:48:14

Maybe we could come up with something like this.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:48:21

That is where I see the GitLab issue template being helpful.

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:48:47

correct, inviting the wrong people may lead to losing write access to the various shared lists, and have ramifications for other communities, so it need sto be closely guarded

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:52:22

That is a good detail to note

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:52:44

!info Draupnir bot management is shared by multiple communities, so governance of this shared resource needs to be considered

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:52:52

We are getting close to the end of the meeting time for today.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:53:01

I think we might have had a few folks drop off too.

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:53:05

eh, the way that's worded seems kind of wrong

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:53:17

How do you mean?

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:53:20

the management isnt shared, but it provides access to shared resources

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:53:35

but ie. the fedora code of conduct banlist isnt shared :)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:53:48

I see, that makes more sense

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:54:06

We can transition to open floor in a minute or two, and resume discussion of this topic at the next meeting. Since the issue is so fresh, I think some time for digestion can't hurt.

<@Zlopez:matrix.org>

14:54:22

/me on other meeting at the same time

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:54:25

i agree :)

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:54:25

it's a difficult topic enough already

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:54:45

I'm really open to anyone jumping in on these tasks though. Probably going in the order they are listed makes the most sense though. It is hard to run a meeting without knowing our team purpose yet, and it is hard to nominate more folks without an issue template to guide us through it.

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:54:46

because a large part of moderation depends on context, insights and paying close attention to details

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:54:51

I think those would be two good places to start.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:55:08

Yep. but I am glad we are having the conversation, it is an important one!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:55:20

Oh, yeah, I forgot about CLE happening now too.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:55:29

It is a competitive morning for meetings 😄

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:55:31

!topic Open floor

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:55:36

We are in the final five minutes for today.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:55:41

Does anyone have any other topics to bring up?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:55:47

Or had questions they wanted to ask?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:55:49

Now is the right time!

<@davidct:fedora.im>

14:55:51

Yes, I do!

<@davidct:fedora.im>

14:56:17

I have a question regarding how to propose to the community to raise funds for several activities, which is the best course of action?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:56:49

Hmmm. That is a really big question, actually. The answer depends on context, I think.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:56:54

Fundraise for what kind of activities?

<@Zlopez:matrix.org>

14:57:07

Especially with the EU DST that happened this weekend :-D

<@davidct:fedora.im>

14:57:19

For instance, development of features that the community is not taking on but that might be useful for users

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

I would like to parttake in these too, but woul dneed to be scheduled at a time that works for me in that case

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

> "Organize monthly roundtable Matrix meetings to check in on issues, challenges, and support needed for moderation in our community rooms"

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

> "Identify more candidates for room admins and moderators; conduct a nomination process through GitLab nomination issues for new admins and moderators"

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

I'll need to parttake here aswell, as some parts of the configuration are part of the deployment and not available outside, and i'm also used to using the bot so i can provide insights there

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

> "Stretch goal: Consider improvements to Matrix chat bots used by the community and possibly implement them in code, e.g. zodbot and MeetBot"

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

If there are other projects, matrix-specific questions, or requests for feedback that are relevant here, i'm happy to help :)

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

i'd like to parttake in this, from the standpoint of draupnir access etc

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

> "Evaluate tools and methods used to protect our chat rooms from abuse, e.g. Drapunir rules and configuration"

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:24

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:57:35

those are the 4 points that stand out to me in particular.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:58:06

Haaaah yeah, maybe we need to consider an hour shift for this meeting to avoid conflicts. We can discuss that in #commops:fedoraproject.org after the meeting.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:58:24

Do you mean for Linux development? Or our infrastructure and applications?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:58:28

What kind of features?

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:58:33

please dont make it an hour early ^^'

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:59:05

please dont make it an hour earlier ^^'

<@emma:rory.gay>

14:59:21

its now 4:58PM for me, i usually have class that ends at 4PM, so it *just* works out

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:59:28

Thanks Emma [it/its], all of these things will be useful! Probably these are things we will start working on in 1-2 months time, but I have a hunch that the nomination of more room moderators and admins will be a good starting place for us. Your feedback as a current mod and bot admin will be useful!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:59:51

We will poll the crowd and see, but I don't want to revert from something that is working. We had good engagement today!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

15:00:26

David Cuenca Tudela: The reason I am asking so many questions is because Fedora is a collection of upstreams, and the fundraising you might be thinking of might be for communities that we are actually contributors to.

<@emma:rory.gay>

15:00:27

yeah ofcourse, no point in deciding something just because i said so :p

<@davidct:fedora.im>

15:00:28

At the moment I am thinking more of bugs that haven't been fixed, like the Media Check boot bug. But of course, once there are funds the funders could decide in what to spend their money. A kind of proxy development for non-developers

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

15:00:52

I think we will need to take this conversation over to #commops:fedoraproject.org though. I want to have it, because I am open to finding the best way to get important work done!

<@emma:rory.gay>

15:00:56

as microsoft once said: ~~developers~~ community! ~~developers~~ community! ~~developers~~ community!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

15:01:13

This is definitely something we could discuss. I have some ideas, actually.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

15:01:21

But we are over our time, and need to yield the meeting channel back.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

15:01:26

Thanks folks for being here today!

<@davidct:fedora.im>

15:01:39

That makes sense. Community-funded developers could also work upstream if wanted

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

15:01:41

And catch ya next time. We will be on video in two weeks in #commops-lounge:fedoraproject.org, but you can find us in #commops:fedoraproject.org any time.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

15:01:43

Ciao folks!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

15:01:45

!endmeeting