19:00:27 <gregdek> #startmeeting community-working-group 19:00:27 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 13 19:00:27 2016 UTC. The chair is gregdek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:27 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'community-working-group' 19:00:27 <rbergeron> not in three weeks, but you'll see everyone in 3 weeks? i guess? 19:00:34 <gregdek> #topic Roll Call 19:00:40 * rbergeron exists 19:01:44 <gregdek> :) 19:01:55 <gregdek> Agenda as always: https://waffle.io/ansible/community 19:02:48 <gregdek> So, to take it from the top: 19:02:52 <rbergeron> aye. 19:03:02 <gregdek> #topic 93: Planning for Contributor Conference SF 19:03:50 <rbergeron> okay, we seem to have a bunch more feedback last i looked earlier today 19:04:09 <rbergeron> and we promised to send out an agenda -- and i suspect we'll be hosed next week, unless we put that together on monday. 19:04:11 <gregdek> Yes, but not a lot of actual votes. Just... more topics. :/ 19:04:30 <rbergeron> well -- we could do a little poll o rsomething via google? 19:04:40 <gregdek> So I'd say, one more note to ansible-devel to urge +1s, and then if we don't have that by next Friday, we just pick 'em. 19:04:48 <rbergeron> are you coming, are you coming remotely, put a yes or not next to what you want to do 19:04:49 <gregdek> Yes, we could do some kind of poll, I imagine. 19:04:57 <rbergeron> but that is a pain and etherpad seems just as effective theoretically 19:05:03 <gregdek> Or not, LOL 19:05:21 <gregdek> I think the poll is actually a good idea. Just a quick Google form. 19:05:22 <rbergeron> well - i am happy either way. i just hate being like, "add your plus 1! well, you can't follow directions, so here is a poll" 19:05:35 <gregdek> Ain't it true? :) 19:05:43 <rbergeron> because some people won't see that, or will think their stuff got counted elsewhere, or whatever. 19:05:49 <gregdek> Yeah, good point. 19:06:04 <rbergeron> But I can make a poll. Or we can. Or whatever. Or we can jsut use our best judgement. 19:06:06 <gregdek> Then just reiterate the etherpad, and if we don't have any better data by next Friday, we'll just pick 'em. 19:06:18 <rbergeron> send the no hanging chads mail :) 19:06:32 <gregdek> ugh 19:06:34 <rbergeron> "for your vote to count, you actually have to... :D" 19:06:35 <rbergeron> lol 19:07:12 <rbergeron> so uh 19:07:18 <rbergeron> which of us is doing that urging 19:07:29 <gregdek> You! 19:07:48 <gregdek> Unless your time is right. 19:07:52 <gregdek> Er, tight. 19:08:00 <rbergeron> did you send the last one? I think you did 19:08:05 <gregdek> Did I? 19:08:07 <rbergeron> My rhymes are tight 19:08:10 <rbergeron> i can mail all night 19:08:13 <rbergeron> without a fight 19:08:15 <rbergeron> there is no plight. 19:08:21 <gregdek> Riiiiight. 19:08:22 <rbergeron> Email, i might! 19:08:29 <rbergeron> (i actually will, tho) 19:08:38 <gregdek> That's enough rhyming now. I mean it! 19:08:52 <rbergeron> #action rbergero to send rhyme-free pun-free mail reminder to plz vote with actual numbers on etherpad 19:09:01 <rbergeron> should i just respond to the mail you sent out? 19:09:08 <rbergeron> that seems logical 19:09:30 <rbergeron> i guess the problem is more topics get added 19:09:38 <rbergeron> and everyone assumes they already voted 19:09:39 <gregdek> Well, if that happens, fine. 19:09:50 <rbergeron> so then we're like "geeeeeez, why isn't this getting more votes" 19:09:53 <gregdek> Worst case scenario is we do our best to pick 'em. 19:09:56 <rbergeron> I dunno. I'll write something up 19:10:00 <rbergeron> and we'll plow ahead 19:10:06 <rbergeron> next item! 19:10:35 <gregdek> Well, still on this one... re: the room, we've got, what, 20ish? I think that's pretty good. We should probably wrap that up here in the next day or two. 19:10:56 <gregdek> Don't actually know that there's an action item there per se. I just think we're in good-ish shape. 19:10:56 <rbergeron> aye. 19:11:13 <rbergeron> did we want to blog post or anything for anyone who might be coming to ansiblefest who might be interested in coming / learning / whatever? 19:11:16 <rbergeron> or not so much 19:11:47 <gregdek> Nah. I think it needs to be a working session, and the people who are participating now are the right people. It's not really the kind of thing for a drop-in. 19:11:58 <gregdek> It's almost like the "Ansible Midcycle" when you get right down to it. 19:12:51 <rbergeron> ... maybe :) lol 19:12:54 <rbergeron> but okay. 19:13:13 <gregdek> OK. 19:13:17 <gregdek> Next item! 19:13:33 <gregdek> #topic 81: Module Maintainer Guidelines 19:14:23 <rbergeron> okay, per notes in the issue: i updated the version i have in my repo (rather than just mangle the real thing) -- i think it's okay, just have this outstanding question re: the things that alikins had in a fork of the contributors.md file 19:14:48 <rbergeron> because i think those things really should be in contributors.md and not in maintainers.md 19:14:56 <rbergeron> just pointed to from contributors.md 19:14:59 <rbergeron> err 19:15:01 <rbergeron> from maintainers.md 19:15:08 <gregdek> Hrm. 19:15:17 <rbergeron> or a good chunk of them. 19:15:28 <rbergeron> you're not a maintainer until you write a thing. 19:15:32 <gregdek> Yes. 19:15:44 <rbergeron> and you need to know those guidelines regardless of being maintainer or just contributor to random module maintained elsewhere. 19:15:54 <rbergeron> maintainer == more what my long-term responsibilities are. 19:15:59 <gregdek> Yeah. 19:16:11 <rbergeron> ... yet "hrm" sounds skeptical. 19:16:13 <rbergeron> :) 19:16:51 <gregdek> No, it's just easy to over-analyze. For now, I'm happy with (a) getting alikins to submit a PR with his CONTRIBUTORS.md changes, and (b) getting your changes into MAINTAINERS.md. 19:17:04 <gregdek> Because it will be better than what we have now. 19:17:15 <gregdek> We may later decide it's insufficient in some way, but it's better than what we have now. 19:17:23 <gregdek> That's my sense. 19:17:49 <rbergeron> okay. well, let's poke at adrian to make that PR, and then merging my stuff should be piece of cake. 19:19:13 <gregdek> Sounds good. 19:19:18 <rbergeron> how do you feel about the rest? missing anything? 19:19:29 <rbergeron> overly sappy? 19:19:35 <rbergeron> too mean? 19:19:37 <rbergeron> :) 19:20:30 <gregdek> No, it's good. 19:20:32 <rbergeron> also, does that PR from alikins (or to be PR from alikins) ... count as the work needed for #78? 19:20:59 <rbergeron> or some of it at least? 19:21:04 <gregdek> ...not quite yet, I don't think. Some of it probably. 19:21:09 <rbergeron> okay. 19:22:52 <gregdek> I'll ping alikins. 19:23:01 <gregdek> Shall we move on? 19:23:31 <rbergeron> yesplz 19:25:02 * rbergeron looks at gregdek wondering if she's driving the bus now 19:25:40 <rbergeron> or if there is lag 19:25:47 <gregdek> Sorry 19:26:05 <gregdek> #topic 38: Public Metrics 19:26:21 <gregdek> This one is on newtMcKerr, and he's waiting for some Google stuff to sort out, so we'll defer this one for now. 19:26:24 <gregdek> Any Qs? 19:26:45 <rbergeron> um - one, i guess 19:26:57 <rbergeron> once we have that stuff sorted out -- what's the reporting mechanism, really? 19:27:21 <rbergeron> are we going to mail things out occasionally or do we want to just have a spreadsheet that front ends to .. one of those pretty boards i had previously, or what? 19:27:27 <rbergeron> just thigns to ponder on - don't need to know today. 19:27:42 <rbergeron> but should probably figure out at some point. if they're public, where is that public place :) 19:28:14 <rbergeron> other than that: no questions 19:28:21 <gregdek> I would very much like some kind of dashboard, but it should really be as cheap as we can do it effort-wise :) 19:28:29 <rbergeron> kudos to newtmckerr for awesomeness 19:28:32 <rbergeron> aye. agreed 19:29:04 <rbergeron> well -- i know of options since i've dug into all this before, so ... I think we find something that is good enough, smart enough, and easy enough 19:29:13 <rbergeron> without being 47 billion dollars 19:29:16 <rbergeron> :) 19:29:20 <gregdek> kk 19:29:24 <gregdek> Next: 19:29:37 <gregdek> #topic 47: Testing Working Group 19:29:44 <gregdek> Nice work by gundalow to move this one along... 19:29:54 <gregdek> And by mattclay as well 19:30:01 <gregdek> gundalow: any status update? 19:31:13 <gregdek> I know gundalow said he's be in and out, so I'll give him a min or two, and then we'll move on 19:31:36 * rbergeron nods 19:31:46 <gundalow> Hi 19:31:51 <gundalow> Me reads back 19:32:27 <gundalow> Ah 19:32:40 <gregdek> :) 19:32:44 <gundalow> Testing working group will formally start after AnsibleFest 19:33:11 <gundalow> Weekly meetings (not Wednesday). 19:34:02 <gundalow> Next step is add any questions we have to the Contributors summit Document. 19:34:17 <gundalow> Which is out for review internally at Ansible. 19:34:50 <gundalow> Then have we can have a productive section of the Contributors Summit as we have an aim 19:35:00 <gregdek> Sounds good to me :) 19:35:05 <gundalow> Think that's it 19:35:43 * rbergeron added some comments, may add a few more, as fyi 19:36:50 <gundalow> rbergeron: Sweet, thanks. I'm not going to add it to either pad till next week, so feel free time keep adding stuff 19:36:50 <gregdek> OK. 19:37:01 <rbergeron> gundalow: ack, sounds good 19:37:04 <gregdek> Thanks for the update gundalow 19:37:06 <gundalow> :) 19:37:08 <gregdek> Moving on: 19:37:21 <gregdek> #topic 104: Ansible Durham meetup 19:37:39 <gregdek> Looking at the week of 8/8 with House. Probably Thu 8/11. 19:37:54 <gregdek> Will look at availability of venues and so forth and get that up in the coming days. 19:38:38 <gregdek> Any Q there? 19:38:39 * rbergeron nods 19:38:42 <rbergeron> nope. 19:39:54 <gregdek> Next: 19:39:58 <rbergeron> #topic Ansible phx meetup 19:40:02 <rbergeron> oh 19:40:05 <rbergeron> no chair for me 19:40:07 <gregdek> You got it 19:40:10 <gregdek> Grrr. 19:40:15 <rbergeron> i don't got it 19:40:15 <gregdek> #topic 42: Ansible phx meetup 19:40:21 <gregdek> #char rbergeron 19:40:26 <gregdek> #chair rbergeron 19:40:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: gregdek rbergeron 19:40:27 <rbergeron> do not char me. 19:40:30 <rbergeron> please. 19:40:32 <gregdek> FOOOM 19:40:43 <rbergeron> i am hot enough already 19:40:45 <rbergeron> anyway. 19:41:14 <rbergeron> I have pinged the red hat folks and there is juggling looking. i pinged other folks for independent spaces and .. waiting and seeing. I did think of another human that may be more flexible. 19:41:24 <rbergeron> People kind of hate summer meetups here basically 19:41:31 <gregdek> FAIR ENOUGH 19:41:32 <rbergeron> hosting, going, you name it 19:41:52 <rbergeron> but ... poiking for a venue at this rate might get me something in september when it's slightly less awful 19:42:07 <rbergeron> I think the nice citrix folks might hook me up though 19:42:12 <rbergeron> so I will ping chris 19:43:08 <gregdek> ok! 19:43:11 <rbergeron> I updated the issue. 19:43:17 <gregdek> thx :) 19:43:30 <gregdek> That's all the big stuff. 19:43:50 <rbergeron> thank goodness 19:43:51 <gregdek> And then next week is all-hands, and then week after that is fest! 19:43:56 <gundalow> woot 19:43:56 <rbergeron> #topic open floor 19:44:01 <gregdek> So really it's all about Fest at this point. 19:44:03 <rbergeron> i'll just do that, 19:44:05 <rbergeron> lol 19:44:06 <gundalow> Though no hands for me 19:44:17 <rbergeron> :( 19:44:35 <gundalow> Had already booked holiday 19:44:39 <rbergeron> I will be in many abstracts for talks ... land the next day or so 19:44:58 <rbergeron> at least the rest of today (openstack summit) and then i have to actually come up with my thing for automacon and apparently containercon 19:45:51 <rbergeron> And yes, fest is about it. :) wooo 19:46:43 <rbergeron> anyone else have anything to chat about? 19:46:52 <rbergeron> burning questions? 19:46:55 <rbergeron> hot gossip? 19:47:01 <rbergeron> free winning lottery tickets? 19:47:43 * gundalow will be in SF from Sun 24th so poke me for beer based meetings :) 19:47:58 <rbergeron> lol. that will be no problem, i am sure 19:48:14 <gundalow> :) 19:48:40 <rbergeron> gregdek: you have anything else? 19:48:44 <gregdek> I do not. 19:48:49 <gregdek> Oh... 19:48:54 <rbergeron> you do. 19:49:00 <gregdek> ...except I'm gonna try to get the damned issue bot done this week. 19:49:08 <gregdek> Finally. 19:49:11 <gregdek> Wish me luck. 19:49:15 <rbergeron> it's a blessed issue bot, actually 19:49:22 <rbergeron> :) 19:49:23 <gundalow> Nothing else from me 19:49:29 <rbergeron> let me know when i can be your guinea pig 19:49:35 <gregdek> rbergeron: will do. 19:50:01 <rbergeron> or .. alternately, take the corner case not guinea pig things and just start whittling as you can get through and refine things 19:50:04 <rbergeron> :) 19:50:09 <rbergeron> (i will take the corner cases) 19:50:11 <rbergeron> just lmk. 19:50:16 <rbergeron> and: now that's it? 19:50:52 <gregdek> That's it! 19:50:55 <gregdek> #endmeeting