13:01:30 <bexelbie> #startmeeting Council (2017-06-28)
13:01:30 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 28 13:01:30 2017 UTC.  The chair is bexelbie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:02:04 <bexelbie> #meetingname council
13:02:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'council'
13:02:04 <bexelbie> #chair mattdm jkurik jwb langdon robyduck bexelbie
13:02:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jkurik jwb langdon mattdm robyduck
13:02:04 <bexelbie> Note: mattdm is unable to fully attend today (and may not make it all) and has asked me to run the meeting.
13:02:04 <bexelbie> This is a tickets meeting.  I've reviewed the open issues in our queue
13:02:10 <bexelbie> .hello bex
13:02:11 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
13:02:27 <jwb> absent today.  work meeting.  my regrets.
13:03:07 <langdon> .hello langdon
13:03:08 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@fishjump.com>
13:03:49 <bexelbie> hi langdon without robyduck or jkurik_mtg we are not really at quorum
13:04:03 <langdon> bexelbie, im 1/2 in another meeting to..
13:04:07 <bexelbie> hahha
13:04:09 <langdon> wonder if we should skip this one
13:04:16 <bexelbie> I think so
13:04:18 <jkurik> .hello2
13:04:18 <zodbot> jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' <jkurik@redhat.com>
13:04:33 <bexelbie> I suggest given how few people we are that we look at 6 specific tickets
13:04:40 <bexelbie> and then I'll hand out action items like candy
13:04:49 <bexelbie> these 6 are ones I am not sure, on first glance, what hte next step should be
13:04:53 <bexelbie> wdyt?
13:05:05 <jkurik> I am fine with it
13:05:20 <bexelbie> langdon, ?
13:06:18 <langdon> bexelbie, sorry .. took me like 5 reads to process that
13:06:21 <langdon> sounds fine
13:06:33 <bexelbie> Contestant #1 is a nice little ticket from the islands to our north
13:06:34 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/112
13:07:06 <bexelbie> This is about setting FAS IDs inactive after some period of time
13:07:12 <bexelbie> there are some proposals intermixed in there.
13:07:29 <bexelbie> The secondary issue in the ticket, of a single workinggroup/sig being able to inactivate a fas id has been resolved
13:07:42 <bexelbie> so the remaingin question seems to be do we want to inactivate inactive FAS IDs
13:08:08 <langdon> yeah ..  but doesn't robyduck say famsco took this on?
13:08:16 <langdon> or am i not getting enough context
13:08:39 <bexelbie> famsco, as I understand it, only voted on whether they wanted to ask for a person's account to be made inactive
13:08:47 <bexelbie> they decided they didn't need that
13:08:51 <bexelbie> aiui
13:08:53 <langdon> ahh i see
13:09:09 <bexelbie> but I am not sure if we as a council want to move forward with thinking about a policy for marking inactive accounts
13:09:47 <langdon> yeah .. i  want a policy for smooge's point .. but someone needs the action of writing a proposed policy .. thne, new ticket, then vote
13:10:20 <bexelbie> ok
13:10:25 <bexelbie> I'll find a champion for that or close it
13:10:51 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to find a champion for this or close it #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/112
13:11:00 <jkurik> I will be in favor to not make fas id inactive
13:11:20 <bexelbie> jkurik, do you suggest we just close this ticket or do you want a chance to weigh in on a policy proposal?
13:11:22 <bexelbie> #undo
13:11:22 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by bexelbie at 13:10:51 : bexelbie to find a champion for this or close it #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/112
13:11:23 <langdon> jkurik, well.. smooge gives the example of spam accounts
13:11:39 <langdon> and he has no official authority to close those accounts
13:11:46 <jkurik> langdon: ah, yes, that makes sense then
13:11:52 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to find a champion for this or close it https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/112
13:11:55 <bexelbie> ok, #2
13:11:56 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/103
13:12:32 <bexelbie> I believe this should be closed.  I think that we should encourage this to be more directed to specific people in direct communication
13:12:41 <bexelbie> we've also pointed the requester at various resources
13:13:16 <jkurik> bexelbie: yeah, I agree
13:13:28 <langdon> yeah.. its not really a "council action" .. i am sure the humans  on the council would love to help .. but that isn't the same
13:13:40 <bexelbie> ok, closing
13:13:46 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to close #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/75
13:13:56 <bexelbie> #undo
13:13:56 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by bexelbie at 13:13:46 : bexelbie to close #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/75
13:13:59 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to close #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/10
13:14:01 <bexelbie> #undo
13:14:01 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by bexelbie at 13:13:59 : bexelbie to close #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/10
13:14:03 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to close #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/103
13:14:05 <bexelbie> got it that time
13:14:07 <bexelbie> next ticket
13:14:09 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/75
13:14:11 <langdon> lol
13:14:53 <langdon> close it
13:14:54 <bexelbie> it has been 4-6 months wihtou a response from the requester
13:14:56 <bexelbie> I move to close
13:15:35 <bexelbie> jkurik, ?
13:15:41 <langdon> if my +1 wasn't obvious.. +1 :)
13:15:53 <jkurik> +1 to close
13:15:55 <langdon> "won't fix" -> marketing
13:16:01 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to close #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/75
13:16:03 <bexelbie> nexxt
13:16:05 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/69
13:16:32 <bexelbie> I'd like approval to just budget the $750
13:16:35 <bexelbie> second to last entry
13:16:40 <bexelbie> then I can drive this to close on the printing/shipping side
13:16:47 <bexelbie> I don't think we ever actually allocated the money
13:17:02 <bexelbie> I think we can do that as the three of us given the age and lack of objections
13:17:34 <langdon> +1
13:17:36 <jkurik> perhaps lazy concensus set for one week might work ?
13:17:53 <bexelbie> jkurik, given the age I feel like lazy consensus happened without a vote
13:17:58 <bexelbie> but I am ok with holding it another week if we want
13:18:42 <jkurik> I am fine either way; if you feel noone might object, than go on
13:18:48 <bexelbie> #agreed to budget $750 to resolve https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/69 bexelbie will help get the tickets actions resolved
13:18:52 <bexelbie> taking that as consensus :)
13:18:54 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/63
13:18:56 <bexelbie> next ^^
13:19:02 <bexelbie> jkurik, what do we need to do next, anything?
13:19:30 <jkurik> hmm, PRDs are more-less ready
13:19:58 <jkurik> #action jkurik to check the status of PRDs and solve the issue #63
13:20:21 <bexelbie> cool!
13:20:23 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/60
13:20:39 <langdon> wow! excited to see new PRDs
13:21:37 <bexelbie> jkurik, I've assigned the ticket to you
13:21:41 <langdon> im for deferring this one
13:21:56 <langdon> or, assign to jkurik works for me too :)
13:22:06 <bexelbie> jkurik, opinons on #60?
13:22:09 <jkurik> bexelbie: ok
13:22:21 <bexelbie> #agreed closing #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/60 as deferred
13:22:23 <bexelbie> yes?
13:22:28 <jkurik> yes
13:23:10 <bexelbie> ok
13:23:33 <bexelbie> 5 tickets are either mattdm's or need his direct follow up
13:23:33 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/120
13:23:33 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/117
13:23:33 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/114
13:23:33 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/107
13:23:35 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/99
13:23:35 <bexelbie> Anyone want to open those up and visit them, or can we move on?
13:23:58 <bexelbie> +1 to moving on :) btw
13:24:03 <jkurik> lets move on
13:24:07 <langdon> +1
13:24:10 <bexelbie> #action mattdm to follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/120
13:24:10 <bexelbie> #action mattdm to follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/117
13:24:10 <bexelbie> #action mattdm to follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/114
13:24:10 <bexelbie> #action mattdm to follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/107
13:24:10 <bexelbie> #action mattdm to follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/99
13:24:18 <jkurik> :)
13:24:21 <bexelbie> 3 are mine for the same reasons
13:24:21 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/113
13:24:22 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/109
13:24:23 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/108
13:24:24 <bexelbie> Anyone want to open those up and visit them, or can we move on?
13:24:28 <bexelbie> +1 for making these all assigned to langdon
13:24:29 <bexelbie> :P
13:24:36 <bexelbie> and am also happy to move on
13:24:45 <langdon> noses!
13:24:56 <bexelbie> ??
13:25:08 * robyduck late but here
13:25:23 <jkurik> robyduck: hi
13:25:36 <bexelbie> Hi robyduck
13:25:41 <robyduck> hi jkurik bexelbie
13:25:47 <bexelbie> can we move on from my tickets to the next batch?
13:25:57 <jkurik> robyduck: we are just looking for someone to assign ticket to
13:26:09 <jkurik> bexelbie: I am fine to move on
13:26:27 <bexelbie> taking that as unanimous :)
13:26:28 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/113
13:26:28 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/109
13:26:29 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/108
13:26:29 <bexelbie> 4 tickets appear to just need some mechanical processing to move forward.  I am happy to do that, they are tickets
13:26:32 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/119
13:26:34 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/92
13:26:38 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/88
13:26:40 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/53
13:26:42 <bexelbie> Anyone want to open those up and visit them, or can we move on?
13:26:44 <bexelbie> these last 4 seem to literally just need to have the handle cranked
13:26:59 <bexelbie> (well not last 4 - there are two more tickets left + private ticket(s))
13:27:32 <bexelbie> I will bring these to the council if they need a non-mechanical action
13:27:40 <bexelbie> agreed to let me process?
13:27:41 * robyduck is for moving on, but I didn't read all the backlog
13:27:54 <langdon> sorry dropped hook ... back now
13:28:35 <langdon> noses! == what my kids say  when they want to avoid something .. last person to put their finger next to their nose gets the action item
13:28:36 * bexelbie lets langdon read back and waits for jkurik's opinion
13:28:55 <jkurik> bexelbie: you have my trust to process :)
13:28:56 <bexelbie> noses, also apparently the command to drop your network connection
13:29:10 <bexelbie> that's 3 ... langdon moving on :)
13:29:11 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/113
13:29:11 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/109
13:29:11 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/108
13:29:11 <bexelbie> 4 tickets appear to just need some mechanical processing to move forward.  I am happy to do that, they are tickets
13:29:11 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/119
13:29:13 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/92
13:29:15 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/88
13:29:17 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/53
13:29:19 <bexelbie> Anyone want to open those up and visit them, or can we move on?
13:29:25 <bexelbie> doh!
13:29:31 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to process https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/119
13:29:33 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to process https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/92
13:29:35 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to process https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/88
13:29:38 <robyduck> 92 can be closed IMHO
13:29:39 <bexelbie> #action bexelbie to process https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/53
13:29:41 <bexelbie> that's the right block
13:29:51 <robyduck> (as wontfix)
13:29:51 <bexelbie> robyduck, I will crank that widget unless you get there first :)
13:30:01 * langdon mutters bexelbie is way to quick  for me :) ..
13:30:11 <bexelbie> ok
13:30:21 <bexelbie> that leaves us with two tickets and one or more private tickets
13:30:31 <bexelbie> The private tickets, if any, deal with issues we are not going to talk about in this meeting
13:30:34 <bexelbie> I am going to leave them alone
13:30:35 <langdon> ack
13:30:39 <bexelbie> if anyone would like the numbers, pm me
13:30:44 <bexelbie> and be a council member :P
13:30:50 <bexelbie> The other two public tickets are
13:30:52 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/123
13:30:52 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/121
13:30:56 <langdon> ha.. and we can see them ourselves if logged in :)
13:31:09 <bexelbie> Both of these seem to need reading and responses from us
13:31:10 <langdon> hey! i made that one!
13:31:14 <bexelbie> I haven't had time to do them yet
13:31:26 <bexelbie> I suggest we assign them as I am not sure we have any discussion to be had today
13:31:27 <langdon> 123 isn't urgent
13:31:30 <bexelbie> does anyone have any discussion?
13:31:36 <langdon> i just wanted it in before the change proposal deadline
13:31:44 <jkurik> I started to review the guidelines in https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/123 but have not finished it yet
13:32:23 <bexelbie> #action all council members to read and follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/123
13:32:23 <bexelbie> #action all council members to read and follow up on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/121
13:32:24 <bexelbie> ok?
13:32:31 <jkurik> ok
13:32:32 <langdon> yeah
13:32:39 <langdon> is 121 urgent?
13:33:40 <bexelbie> ?
13:33:45 * bexelbie needs to read it fully
13:33:53 <robyduck> 121 has too many TBDs for me, mking decisions on something which is not clear is rather unusual
13:33:56 <langdon> you have a very long reply in it :)
13:34:00 <langdon> ^^ bee2502
13:34:04 <langdon> sorry..
13:34:08 <langdon> bexelbie, i meant
13:35:02 <bexelbie> yes, but that doesn't mean I appreciate the urgency of it
13:35:03 <bexelbie> :)
13:35:30 <langdon> bexelbie, lol .. ok .. no worries..
13:35:34 <bexelbie> and given the lack of response it must not be urgent
13:35:37 <bexelbie> I wrote that 13 days ago
13:35:44 <bexelbie> that's like forever ago :P
13:35:45 <langdon> point
13:36:02 <langdon> so .. is that a wrap?
13:36:12 <langdon> this is much more efficient without mattdm </snark>
13:36:19 <bexelbie> #topic Open Floor
13:36:25 <jkurik> I will be on a leave for the upcoming 3 weeks, mostly having no internet connection
13:36:35 <bexelbie> jkurik, have fun!!
13:36:40 <bexelbie> I will be out next week as it is a public holiday here
13:36:51 <langdon> jkurik, nice! (well... i can't handle the no internet part)
13:36:53 <bexelbie> and probably the week after that as I will be in transit or possibly without internet
13:37:22 <langdon> i am out tomorrow->next tues.. which has no effect on any of you :)
13:37:31 <robyduck> wow, anyone around next week except me?
13:37:34 <robyduck> :)
13:37:36 <bexelbie> langdon, it does if you don't get me the stuff you owe for flock
13:37:43 <bexelbie> like seriously
13:37:46 <langdon> bexelbie, uhh ..
13:37:59 <langdon> i think i have it.. and i think i forgot to send it
13:38:12 <bexelbie> please make sure I am in the to/cc directly, if possible
13:38:16 <jkurik> robyduck: I hope anyone will be around as we should have go/no-go meeting for F26
13:38:17 <bexelbie> I want to get those emails sent
13:38:34 <bexelbie> I vote go but rename F25-retro :P
13:38:35 <bexelbie> j/k
13:38:36 <langdon> bexelbie, pm me the subject? in case I am mis-remembering what you need?
13:38:49 <robyduck> jkurik: oh, it's already that time again?
13:39:15 <jkurik> yeah, as we slipped for 5 weeks already...
13:39:24 <robyduck> :)
13:39:46 <langdon> ok.. endmeeting?
13:39:50 <jkurik> +1
13:39:51 <robyduck> +1
13:39:58 <bexelbie> +1
13:40:01 <bexelbie> #endmeeting