14:01:09 <mattdm> #startmeeting Council (2017-12-20) 14:01:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Dec 20 14:01:09 2017 UTC. The chair is mattdm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:09 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'council_(2017-12-20)' 14:01:10 <mattdm> #meetingname council 14:01:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'council' 14:01:12 <mattdm> #chair mattdm jkurik jwb langdon robyduck bexelbie dperpeet 14:01:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie dperpeet jkurik jwb langdon mattdm robyduck 14:01:14 <mattdm> #topic Introductions, Welcomes 14:01:21 <bexelbie> .hello bex 14:01:21 <mattdm> good morning and afternoon, everyone! 14:01:21 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com> 14:01:55 <bexelbie> o/ 14:02:14 <mattdm> I wonder who else we have 14:03:14 <mattdm> we effectively need 3 to get anything done 14:03:46 <bexelbie> ... 14:03:51 <bexelbie> jkurik is out for sure 14:04:01 <orc_fedo> mattdm: I thot this was just 'open topics' meeting today 14:04:03 <bexelbie> jwb has a competing call so we may be able to delay a bit for him 14:04:10 <mattdm> dominik is too -- he just had a baby 14:04:22 <mattdm> orc_fedo: It is, but we may need some binding votes on stuff before the holidays 14:04:31 <mattdm> bexelbie: do you have that emea funding ticket handy? 14:04:40 * bexelbie goes for the number 14:04:59 <mattdm> okay that already has upvotes. 14:05:05 <bexelbie> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/163 14:05:08 <mattdm> pin that thought :) 14:05:26 <mattdm> #topic Today's agenda 14:05:35 <mattdm> #info finalize EMEA funding ticket 14:06:00 <mattdm> #info finalize diversity team member 14:06:24 <bexelbie> was about to say that one 14:06:48 <mattdm> I think both of those are formalities 14:07:08 <bexelbie> I believe so given last week's discussion and the votes in the tickets 14:07:41 <mattdm> anything else? 14:07:49 <mattdm> #info quick modularity update 14:08:09 <mattdm> AFAIK langdon is playing Legend of Zelda all week 14:08:12 <bexelbie> one ec 14:08:13 <bexelbie> sec 14:08:45 <bexelbie> nothing else from me 14:08:54 <bexelbie> good to see langdon solving a puzzle :P 14:09:52 <mattdm> #info council election questions 14:09:59 <mattdm> That should keep us busy for the rest of the meeting :) 14:10:06 <mattdm> #topic Finalize emea funding 14:10:21 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/163 14:11:25 <mattdm> #agreed has 4 +1s and on -1s. Approved! 14:11:32 <mattdm> that was quick. 14:11:55 <mattdm> #topic Finalize Diversity membership plan 14:12:03 <bexelbie> :D 14:12:05 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/157 14:12:36 <mattdm> #agreed this is approved 14:12:39 <mattdm> #chair Amita 14:12:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita bexelbie dperpeet jkurik jwb langdon mattdm robyduck 14:13:01 <mattdm> #action [someone] we need to publicise this 14:13:07 <Amita> hello 14:13:14 <mattdm> Amita: welcome to the council :) 14:13:21 <Amita> thanks mattdm :) 14:13:26 <mattdm> we need a community blog article 14:13:33 <mattdm> #action mattdm to update Council membership docs 14:13:34 <Amita> .hello amsharma 14:13:34 <bexelbie> I'll report back on #163 ... I believe Amita should report on #157 :) 14:13:35 <zodbot> Amita: amsharma 'Amita Sharma' <amsharma@redhat.com> 14:14:18 <mattdm> Amita: want to write a quick article for commblog introducing the rotating membership plan -- and introducing yourself for people who don't know you? 14:14:29 <Amita> mattdm, sure 14:14:42 <jwb> sorry, in a meeting right now. i can read scrollback when i'm off 14:15:16 <mattdm> jwb: so far we've just been rubber-stamping already approved thigns :) 14:15:25 * jwb nods 14:15:29 <mattdm> Amita: cool. let me know when it's ready and I'll tweet about it and stuff 14:15:48 <Amita> #action Amita to write article for commblog about https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/157 14:15:49 <mattdm> next topic, then... 14:15:51 <OriginCode> Sub-groups are anywhere... 14:16:04 <Amita> mattdm, sure, thanks 14:16:07 <mattdm> OriginCode: what's that? 14:16:17 <OriginCode> mattdm: #fedora-* 14:16:40 <mattdm> OriginCode: yes, sometimes. Right now we are having the weekly Fedora Council meeting here. 14:16:45 <OriginCode> Sry for disturbing. 14:16:56 <mattdm> #topic Elections questions 14:17:02 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/160 14:17:26 <mattdm> We (me, at least) promised to come up with three questions by the end of the year 14:17:43 <mattdm> for council 14:17:46 <mattdm> and for mindshare 14:18:02 <mattdm> and to make sure FESCo has theirs 14:18:12 <mattdm> do we want to do that *right now*? 14:18:18 <bexelbie> FESCo did there, as far as I know 14:18:23 * bexelbie has an email to review on that 14:18:26 <mattdm> bexelbie: do you have a link? 14:18:34 <bexelbie> for their's or ours? 14:19:11 <bexelbie> Fesco: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1805 14:19:48 <mattdm> okay those seem fine 14:20:00 <bexelbie> Mindshare: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/161 14:20:06 <bexelbie> Council: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/160 14:20:12 <mattdm> For the council, my general thoughts are: 14:20:22 <mattdm> 1. Who are you and what have you done? 14:20:30 <mattdm> 2. What do you want to do? What's your agenda? 14:20:35 <mattdm> 3. Wildcard! 14:20:42 <mattdm> but phrased better than that :) 14:20:53 <Amita> Just a thought, we can/should ask questions at the end of the term too of each person like what they have accomplished and what they think went good/bad, like a retrospective thing..maybe 14:21:02 <orc_fedo> mattdm: How and Why are the obvious additions 14:21:13 <mattdm> orc_fedo: and where? :) 14:21:28 <orc_fedo> Where and When self answer 14:21:38 <mattdm> Amita: that's a good idea 14:22:09 <orc_fedo> mattdm: fwiw, I have never received instructions on how to stage content at the Community Blog 14:22:13 <mattdm> I think the exit interview is a task to throw at the program manager (jkurik) 14:22:17 <bexelbie> so, from the questionare, #1, #2 and ?? 14:22:20 <orc_fedo> ... and had asked for such 14:23:24 <bexelbie> What about #1, #5, #4? 14:23:28 <mattdm> orc_fedo: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/writing-community-blog-article/ ? 14:23:32 <bexelbie> What is your background in Fedora? What have you worked on and what are you doing now? 14:23:37 <bexelbie> What are your future plans? Is there anything you can consider a "Mission Statement" as a candidate? 14:23:40 <mattdm> bexelbie: I think 5 and 2 combine 14:23:41 <bexelbie> What are your interests and experience outside of Fedora? What of those things will help you in this role? 14:24:33 <mattdm> and, sure, that's good for the wildcard 14:24:41 <mattdm> #9 also combines into #1 14:24:45 <bexelbie> so these three? 14:25:22 <mattdm> 6-8 are basically push-poll versions of "what are you going to accomplish" 14:25:39 <mattdm> and 3 is a job interview stereotype :) 14:26:22 <bexelbie> Sounds like want to use the three I identified? 14:26:26 <mattdm> bexelbie: yeah. 14:26:39 <mattdm> I'll write them into the ticket 14:26:52 <mattdm> with some combination from the other ones 14:27:01 <mattdm> and then we can nitpick if we like 14:27:07 <mattdm> What about mindshare? 14:27:09 <bexelbie> ok 14:27:26 <bexelbie> robyduck, proposed questions for mindshare, I think we should get other members to vote/suggest in the ticket 14:27:39 <mattdm> Dog is crying. Away from the keyboard for about 2 minutes -- go on without me 14:28:32 <Amita> may be looking at new hair cut 14:28:59 <orc_fedo> mattdm: as to commblog, when updating profile, I get and intercept and a redirect to a useless page ... perhaps it works for older posters, but ... http://gallery.herrold.com/stuff/commblog-profile-update.png 14:29:24 <orc_fedo> an* 14:29:36 <bexelbie> orc_fedo, sounds like you need to open a ticket with Fedora Infrastructure 14:29:52 <bexelbie> that should be working. I had a similar issue with the Jenkins instance and they had to "kick" something 14:30:38 <orc_fedo> bexelbie: as it impacts election timing and flow, I raise it heree as well 14:31:01 <bexelbie> orc_fedo, we are changing the process for submitting interviews to avoid problems like this 14:31:24 <orc_fedo> bexelbie: I was bitten by it last round 14:31:30 * langdon just turned up.. 14:31:33 <bexelbie> interviews are going to be collected in a private pagure repo to minimize who has early ability to see them to address a concern about hte commblog editors potentially seeing them early 14:31:38 <langdon> completely lost track of time 14:31:46 <bexelbie> they will be posted by jkurik and me and we are both able to post 14:31:55 <langdon> .hello2 langdon 14:31:56 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@redhat.com> 14:32:11 <bexelbie> orc_fedo, this change should prevent blockers like this that are random but affect things 14:32:23 <orc_fedo> bexelbie: and doco of that on the three candidate statements pages, and testing need to happen as well 14:32:39 <mattdm> orc_fedo: yeah that makes sense. 14:32:43 <bexelbie> orc_fedo, yes 14:32:48 <bexelbie> would you be willing to be a tester? 14:33:00 <orc_fedo> bexelbie: as I shall stand for election here, I will be 14:33:11 <mattdm> welcome langdon. I already explained that you were playing zelda 14:33:18 <bexelbie> cool - can you drop me an email and I'll reply with the test location as soon as I have it prepped 14:33:19 <langdon> ha.. too true 14:33:52 <bexelbie> orc_fedo, ^^ 14:34:09 <bexelbie> I hope you don't mind answering questions about 1990s American Pop Music - as that will be what I use for the test :D 14:35:38 <mattdm> ok so anyone *not* like robyduck's questions in https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/161 ? 14:35:50 * mattdm gonna mark that as approved 14:36:06 <orc_fedo> bexelbie: Bill Halley and his Comets -- I had the 33 LP 14:36:21 <orc_fedo> oh -- you said 90's not 50s 14:37:00 <bexelbie> orc_fedo, I'll meet you partway - all questions will be drawn from the amazing 1990 best hits collection, The Immaculate Collection 14:37:11 <bexelbie> 1990 released, goes back to 1983 with songs 14:37:25 <bexelbie> mattdm, I answered in ticket :D 14:37:41 <mattdm> yeah. langdon? Amita? 14:37:47 <Amita> hmm 14:37:49 * langdon openning link 14:38:36 <Amita> they are to the point 14:38:39 <Amita> and looks good 14:39:14 <Amita> do we need the mention of "fedora mission" somewhere? 14:39:32 <mattdm> Amita: for mindshare or for the council? 14:39:37 <langdon> i think the mindshare ones are "fine" .. im a little dicey on some of the wording.. but i think the intent is ok... however, it does not include anything about "past experience" like the interviews have in the past.. but that isn't "required" more a "note in case of oversight" 14:39:38 <Amita> impact on fedora mission 14:39:50 <Amita> for https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/161, for mindshare 14:39:52 <orc_fedo> bexelbie: fair warning -- I just looked and my music shuffler has 38,267 songs with a non-repeating run length of 102.5 days 14:40:14 <langdon> re: council, current proposal is #1, #5, #4? 14:40:25 <mattdm> Amita: ah, so: What are your thoughts on the impact (as an individual,as a Mindshare group, and on the Fedora mission overall) that the group will have? 14:40:36 <mattdm> langdon: I'm writing something in the ticket 14:41:36 * langdon notes 31,415 would be a better number of songs :) 14:41:53 <Amita> mattdm, it should be as group 14:42:16 <Amita> What are your thoughts on the impact (as an individual and then as a Mindshare group) that the group will have on "Fedora Mission Statement" 14:42:25 <mattdm> ah I seel. 14:42:26 <mattdm> see. 14:42:36 <mattdm> well, on the mission itself, not on the statement. :) 14:42:47 <Amita> yeah right :P 14:43:01 <langdon> so ... is that question, "could have" or "will have"? like a plan for the term? or a comment on the overall idea of the group? 14:43:31 <mattdm> langdon: yeah I see your point there. Suggest phrasing? 14:43:43 <langdon> mattdm: depends on which it is ;) 14:44:07 <langdon> i am not sure if it is a mistake or if it is "correct" which would mean it is "a plan for the term" 14:44:20 <langdon> is robyduck here? 14:44:24 <bexelbie> given that this is a new group, I think that should be left open for interpretation by the canddiates 14:45:25 <Amita> +1 on that 14:45:36 <Amita> let them be creative :) 14:47:00 <mattdm> I can se that too :) 14:47:33 <mattdm> I'm gonna drop Amita's suggestion in the ticket and call this good, unless anyone objects. because lookit the time :) 14:48:11 <Amita> thanks 14:48:14 <mattdm> I also put council question suggestions in that ticket, but would like help with the wording because I feel like it's not, like, friendly enough. 14:48:40 <mattdm> I'd like these to be a bit more "writing prompts" and less interrogation 14:49:20 <langdon> i can help a bit with wording now that i understand the intent a bit better 14:49:21 <Amita> like "specific *task*" 14:49:27 <Amita> I agree 14:49:30 <langdon> but it might not be in the next hour 14:49:58 <mattdm> as long as it's by the end of the year 14:49:59 <bexelbie> They are due Jan 2 14:50:02 <mattdm> technically we have until... 14:50:04 <mattdm> what bex said 14:50:07 <bexelbie> as Jan and I have to post them on that day 14:50:11 <bexelbie> so really Jan 1 14:50:19 <langdon> i meant "today" vs "in the hour" :) 14:50:30 <mattdm> I just know for sure that I will not be thinking about them on vacation with my family 14:50:40 <Amita> :D 14:50:57 <mattdm> Okay, so let's move on to the final topic.... 14:51:05 <mattdm> #topic Relaunching the Modularity objective 14:51:16 <mattdm> I had hoped to have a proposed Objective at this point 14:51:23 <mattdm> but, we do not :) 14:51:53 <mattdm> That's because we spent a lot of time writing the new actual plan instead 14:52:00 <mattdm> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/modularity-dead-long-live-modularity/ 14:53:00 <bexelbie> I believe we should still see that turned into a proposal with dates, people, rep, etc. 14:53:15 <mattdm> bexelbie: yes. and a logic model :) 14:53:22 <langdon> well.. there was also figuring out the architecture and testing it.. as well as reviewing a competing proposal :/ 14:53:33 <langdon> meh on model :) .. agree on the rest.. 14:53:37 <orc_fedo> bexelbie: do you have a pagure comblog fork to file my willingness to test in? 14:53:42 <langdon> just havemt had the chance to write it 14:54:03 <bexelbie> I'd like to see the model too 14:54:05 <mattdm> langdon: what's your schedule the first week of january? 14:54:09 <bexelbie> orc_fedo, no - please just email me 14:55:11 <langdon> mattdm: nothing specific.. may be out on the 2nd.. but flxible 14:55:38 <mattdm> langdon: Okay, let's try to get it done that week and accepted by the council the next week.... 14:55:47 <mattdm> so we have certainty for FOSDEM :) 14:56:00 <langdon> sounds good.. 14:56:10 <langdon> i may take a stab at some of it before that though 14:56:20 <langdon> ill use some shared doc mechanism 14:56:24 <mattdm> that's even better 14:56:48 <mattdm> I'll be around some of the time, too. 14:56:57 * mattdm needs to put vacation info in fedocal 14:57:06 <mattdm> #topic Anything else? 14:58:00 <Amita> I want to talk about - Defining policy for room sharing or single room booking for being more inclusive with the help of council 14:58:11 <Amita> I included this as Diversity Team Goals - From Jan, 2017 to Jan, 2018 14:58:19 <Amita> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/48 14:58:49 <Amita> but if council wants to work on this independently 14:59:02 <Amita> I will remove this one 14:59:10 <Amita> mattdm, bexelbie thoughts? 14:59:30 <bexelbie> I believe this should be worked at the council level with input from Diversity via your role on the Council 14:59:48 <mattdm> yeah, that makes sense. 15:00:07 <mattdm> As I understand it, the immediate issue that brought this up is handled. 15:00:14 <bexelbie> yes, it is. 15:00:29 <mattdm> I think we *should* have a policy that is inclusive and welcoming 15:00:37 <mattdm> but it's not on fire right now... 15:00:45 <mattdm> so let's make it something to handle in the new year 15:00:53 <mattdm> Amita: does that sound good to you? 15:01:00 <Amita> yes, I agree 15:01:14 <mattdm> ok cool. 15:01:16 <Amita> so I let council work on this one and remove from our goals 15:01:16 <langdon> +1 for what its worth 15:01:31 <Amita> and will work with council on the council ticket for this one 15:01:43 <Amita> am I on right track? 15:01:45 <langdon> oh wait,.. no.. i thought diversity would make a proposal and council would vote to enact, no? 15:01:47 <mattdm> and just as a note: is that diversity ticket goals ending this coming january, or is that meant to be january 2019? 15:02:15 <Amita> mattdm, good catch :) 15:02:17 <bexelbie> langdon, there are some points of intersection of this that make it better for the council to work with Diversity (and other groups) input 15:02:37 <Amita> atleast 10 people saw this and noone could raise that error 15:02:39 <Amita> :P 15:02:44 <Amita> mattdm, I will correct that 15:02:47 <Amita> thanks 15:02:51 <mattdm> :) time goes fast! 15:03:02 <bexelbie> I just thought Diversity was going to be fast :) 15:03:24 <langdon> bexelbie: ohh sure.. ok.. 15:03:31 <mattdm> okay, let's wrap this meeting up? I have a tiny puppy I have to attend to :) 15:03:44 <langdon> jeesh .. they still have 11 *days*! 15:04:22 * langdon has to shop for ingredients for {diary, egg, gluten, nut}-free fried chicken.. 15:05:12 <mattdm> okay, thanks everyone 15:05:18 <Amita> thanks 15:05:21 <Amita> bye 15:05:22 <langdon> smallest's *9* yo birthday today 15:05:27 <langdon> bye all ! 15:05:36 <mattdm> langdon: happy kid birthday! 15:05:37 <Amita> congratulations langdon :) 15:05:40 <mattdm> #endmeeting