19:01:43 <mattdm> #startmeeting Council (2018-05-02)
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19:01:45 <mattdm> #meetingname council
19:01:45 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'council'
19:01:47 <mattdm> #chair mattdm jkurik jwb langdon robyduck bexelbie dperpeet Amita nb dgilmore pbrobinson
19:01:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita bexelbie dgilmore dperpeet jkurik jwb langdon mattdm nb pbrobinson robyduck
19:01:49 <mattdm> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
19:02:00 <langdon> .hello2
19:02:01 <mattdm> hi everyone
19:02:01 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@redhat.com>
19:02:26 <bexelbie> .hello bex
19:02:27 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bexelbie@redhat.com>
19:03:14 * mattdm waits a few minutes
19:05:18 <nb> .hello2
19:05:19 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nb@nb.zone>
19:05:31 <jwb> hi
19:05:33 <mattdm> okay, that's four of us. let's get started.
19:05:34 <mattdm> ooh five.
19:05:42 <mattdm> #topic Agenda
19:05:56 <mattdm> I propsed on the mailing list that we use this as a tickets & ongoing meeting
19:06:04 <mattdm> and no one objectived
19:06:07 <mattdm> lol
19:06:09 <mattdm> objected
19:06:27 <mattdm> Next week is nominally objectives updates
19:06:34 <mattdm> but... it's RH Summit week.
19:06:43 <langdon> i *objective*!
19:06:49 <mattdm> So, my proposal is Tickets and Ongoing this week
19:07:00 <mattdm> and skip next week, or open floor if there's enough people around not at summit
19:07:14 <mattdm> and then Objectives Update on the 16th.
19:07:31 <langdon> +1
19:07:36 <mattdm> #info I guess that really should have been Topic: upcoming meetings
19:07:59 <mattdm> okay, so, for this week:
19:08:02 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issues?status=Open&order_key=priority&order=desc
19:08:10 <mattdm> Let's skip the private ones for now
19:08:21 <mattdm> I mean, feel free to add something to them if you have something, but not in the meeting
19:09:00 <mattdm> I hear no objectivitisms, so I'll start with the first one :)
19:09:14 <mattdm> #topic  Let's clarify the trademark guidelines on modified hosted (cloud, vps, etc) Fedora OS images
19:09:19 <langdon> mattdm: lol
19:09:22 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/198
19:09:30 <langdon> be nice if you could hide private in pagure
19:09:47 <mattdm> so, this was going on about a month ago and then got stalled.
19:09:59 <mattdm> my goal here is to find someone to assign it to
19:10:10 <mattdm> does anyone want to jump on this particular bus
19:10:15 <mattdm> (see what I did there?)
19:10:17 * pbrobinson is here
19:10:37 <mattdm> hi pbrobinson! thanks for joining us in your eveningtime
19:10:38 <dgilmore> hey mattdm
19:10:42 <mattdm> and dgilmore!
19:10:51 <mattdm> now it's a party :)
19:11:14 <dgilmore> I am about to make smoked chicken
19:11:15 <mattdm> thanks bexelbie for the initial strawman
19:11:24 <pbrobinson> where's the streamers?
19:11:31 <langdon> i thought pbrobinson was siging up for trademark guidelines
19:11:41 <mattdm> I am not hearing anyone jumping up for trademark guidelines.
19:11:53 <robyduck> .hello robyduck
19:11:53 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
19:11:57 <mattdm> THEREFORE, I will assign it to myself. But, it's definitely headed for the bottom of the pile
19:12:05 <pbrobinson> langdon: just give all the trademarks to my IoT stuff.... done!
19:12:07 <mattdm> hi robyduck!
19:12:11 <robyduck> hi all
19:12:12 <mattdm> uhuh.
19:12:13 <dgilmore> i think we covered most concerns in the ticket
19:12:49 <mattdm> dgilmore: can you take on rewording it into a final form we can agree on and then I can take back to legal?
19:12:56 <dgilmore> mattdm: sure
19:13:06 <mattdm> awesome. you win this ticket
19:13:26 <dgilmore> mattdm: :) that means langdon and pbrobinson get two each
19:13:38 <mattdm> fair
19:13:48 <mattdm> #topic Request for post-F28 Elections schedule approval
19:13:52 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/201
19:14:05 <mattdm> for some reason, this is the first I'm seeing this :-/
19:14:25 <mattdm> I think this is just a "yep, looks like we have consensus, right?
19:14:42 <langdon> i can't believe it is time for elections again
19:14:57 <robyduck> mattdm: yeah
19:15:09 <dgilmore> outside of being late, let's vote
19:15:17 <mattdm> we had some troubles last time around... does this schedule look like it will avoid it?
19:15:28 <mattdm> I don't think we even need a vote unless anyone is opposed
19:15:33 <mattdm> any opposition?
19:15:44 <dgilmore> mattdm: this schedule requuires step 1 to be today
19:15:46 <jwb> i am opposed to not approving
19:16:04 <langdon> is jkurik managing this election?
19:16:07 <mattdm> dgilmore: good point so we should approve really fast
19:16:13 <dgilmore> that is really the only issue I see
19:16:14 <robyduck> mattdm: no guarantee we will avoid troubles, but it's definitely better. Let's see how it works.
19:16:18 <mattdm> yeah no jkurik replacement so I assume so?
19:16:27 <mattdm> robyduck *nod*
19:16:34 <mattdm> I will take on talking to him
19:16:43 <mattdm> and I'm going to mark it approved now
19:16:44 <bexelbie> I think some of the challenges in previous elections were around 0 minute turn arounds from one step to the next
19:16:49 <bexelbie> this schedule eliminates them
19:16:57 <bexelbie> iirc
19:17:33 <mattdm> #topic  Council Members please submit a short bio
19:17:39 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/146
19:17:42 <mattdm> okay this is on me.
19:17:55 <mattdm> because last time I said "I want to avoid making more tickets than I have to. How about: everyone write and submit a PR for the docs site. If you don't in a couple of weeks, I'll make individual tickets for the missing ones."
19:17:58 <mattdm> and now I'll do that.
19:17:59 <dgilmore> jwb and myself submitted bio's
19:18:25 <mattdm> i may just need to check prs, too
19:18:27 <langdon> mattdm: might be handy to update your remark with a link to where :/
19:18:33 <mattdm> thanks dgilmore jwb :)
19:18:36 <jwb> go ahead.  make me a ticket.  i dare you.
19:18:36 * robyduck hides (now that F28 is out I will make it)
19:18:41 <mattdm> robyduck: heh
19:19:23 <mattdm> okay, so now we have
19:19:29 <mattdm> #topic  Revisit providing hosting for official community subdomains
19:19:35 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/169
19:20:22 <mattdm> I think the state here is really "waiting on Evolution".
19:20:24 <langdon> jwb: ill make you a ticket in trac
19:20:40 <jwb> langdon, RAGE QUIT
19:20:42 <mattdm> that is, jim perrin, not "the million year process by which organisms change"
19:20:59 <dgilmore> mattdm: :)
19:21:11 <mattdm> bexelbie: this is your ticket. is that the right thing to do?
19:21:20 * bexelbie re-reads briefly
19:21:24 <langdon> mattdm: or the PIM app
19:21:38 <bexelbie> yes
19:21:47 <bexelbie> he promised an answer soon, I suggest we define soon as now :D
19:22:07 <bexelbie> I also think this would be a great OpenShift use, as he notes in the ticket
19:22:26 <bexelbie> as for the policy bit, that is up to us to relocate
19:22:27 <mattdm> hold on... doorbell.
19:22:28 <mattdm> brb.
19:22:31 <mattdm> talk amongst yourselves
19:22:33 <bexelbie> (and surface additional instances of)
19:22:38 <mattdm> or go on to the next topic or whatever :)
19:23:00 <dgilmore> bexelbie: so about this openshift thing, think we could run it on fedora server on say aarch64 or power?
19:23:22 <dgilmore> x86_64 is so boring and last decade
19:23:23 <bexelbie> dgilmore, that is a question I am not going to touch ... yes :D
19:23:49 <dgilmore> bexelbie: :) I might know a guy that knows some guys
19:23:56 * nirik looks up, notes there is not any detail on what we are being asked to provide.
19:23:57 <bexelbie> with some chips?
19:24:08 <dgilmore> and fish
19:24:19 <bexelbie> nirik, I believe the request is "can we do this" - web hosting
19:24:27 <nirik> static web pages?
19:24:37 <mattdm> joomla!
19:24:38 <dgilmore> maybe
19:24:45 <dgilmore> drupal
19:24:52 <dgilmore> wordpress
19:24:52 * mattdm is kidding
19:25:02 <mattdm> I hope dgilmore is too :)
19:25:06 <dgilmore> jboss something
19:25:10 <robyduck> I think none of this
19:25:15 <nirik> also, on the 'buying your own domain'... the concern there is someone lets it lapse and someone else buys it and puts something...very different on it.
19:25:20 <dgilmore> mattdm: mostly
19:25:34 <mattdm> which is standard practice, unfortunately
19:25:36 <langdon> come on.. y'all are sooo last year.. how about nodejs express?
19:26:04 <dgilmore> mattdm: nirik: i think the ask is how could we do something like modules.fp.o hosted by fedora not fed-mod.org
19:26:07 * nirik can ask in ticket for more scope. :)
19:26:16 <bexelbie> nirik, I think you all should define what is reasonable based on team reassessment and then we can entertain valid requests from there
19:26:41 <dgilmore> nirik: it is mostly about what is infra willing to support
19:26:44 * robyduck agrees with nirik, can we discuss this in the ticket to have more examples and proposals?
19:26:45 <langdon> well.. to be clear. i didn't ask for it.. i just said .. here is my work around :)
19:27:00 * nirik waits for fed-mod.org to load
19:27:00 * robyduck did some guidelines time ago he can bring up again
19:27:05 <dgilmore> if thart answer is whatever you can put in supported containers in fedora openshift then :)
19:27:27 <langdon> nirik: was mostly for dev site
19:27:30 <nirik> that is not the answer I would give. ;) well, it would be for our dev openshift
19:27:42 <langdon> i should probably point it at module docs
19:27:57 <dgilmore> nirik: what would you say you would support?
19:28:50 <nirik> I am reluctant to say without knowing more... this is for dev stuff that will be docs? or communities that want static pages?
19:28:53 <dgilmore> nirik: is it just static content? and with the answer to what you would support, howdo we make it simple for people to get a subdomain and get content up?
19:29:06 <dgilmore> bexelbie: ^^
19:29:35 <bexelbie> dgilmore, I agree.  If there isn't enough information I am sure the infra team can more easily identify the constraints our existing non-hosted domains have than I can
19:29:36 <langdon> as another, sort of, aside..  blah.fedorainfracloud.org does get generated.. right?
19:29:55 <nirik> I think we could support static content... but there's a lot of details.
19:30:21 <nirik> langdon: well, those are just floating ip's in our cloud instaace
19:30:31 <nirik> so, they could be connected to any instance doing whatever.
19:30:38 <langdon> http://fed-mod.org now points to the right thing.. assuming your dns cache isn't old
19:30:39 <dgilmore> langdon: what is behind fed-mod.org?
19:31:14 <langdon> used to be dev.fed-mod.org -> modularity.fedorainfracloud.org. cause it was shorter..  but, that isn't running anything now
19:31:17 * mattdm notes that at least some of the existing .fedoracommunity.org sites appear to be forums
19:31:22 <langdon> so it will just spin
19:31:41 <langdon> but @ & www -> docs.fp.o/modularity now
19:31:46 <langdon> or whatever it is
19:31:57 <langdon> docs.p.o/modularity rather
19:32:30 <mattdm> which is static content generated by *cough* antora
19:32:45 <mattdm> (that is a lie. it is asciibinder but will soon be antora)
19:32:54 <robyduck> mattdm: if these are forums we should not host them, because the content can be...everything. We can try to make them move to ask.fpo/{lang}
19:33:01 <langdon> sorta.. splash is actually pagure.. with an internal link to docs.fp.o
19:33:22 <nirik> robyduck: note that we don't host the fedoracommunity.org subsites... we just make dns to point to them... it's their own hosting
19:33:34 <mattdm> robyduck yeah. although forums might have other (online) cultures than ask, so I think the existing arragement is fine
19:34:07 <robyduck> nirik: yeah I know
19:34:09 <mattdm> anyway: is there something we can move forward in this meeting, or is it something we should handle in the ticket?
19:34:22 <robyduck> +1 for ticket
19:34:53 <mattdm> #topic Waiting on Assignee tickets
19:35:00 <mattdm> okay, so, these are mostly me and bex
19:35:08 <mattdm> and the one that dgilmore just took
19:35:34 <mattdm> so, I suggest rather than going over them here, bex and I do that on our own time before next week
19:35:52 <mattdm> #topic Waiting on others
19:36:11 <mattdm> and unless any of these jumps out at anyone, I'm going to go through these and ping people and possibly close as appropriate
19:36:30 <bexelbie> +1
19:36:32 <mattdm> and I know it's late for the europeans on this meeting, so with that I suggest we stop early
19:36:37 <jwb> ok
19:36:45 <mattdm> oh one thing though
19:36:51 <mattdm> #topic Meeting next week
19:37:05 <mattdm> A few of us will be at summit, but I don't think the majority
19:37:13 <jwb> not i
19:37:29 <mattdm> Do those of yall who will be around want to do an open floor meeting?
19:37:31 <mattdm> or just skip?
19:38:30 <jwb> skip
19:38:36 * bexelbie is at Summit - so I am most likely unavailable
19:39:52 <nb> sounds like we should skip
19:39:56 <nb> but i would be fine with meeting
19:40:00 <mattdm> okay, I'm not hearing wild calls to have a meeting :)
19:40:16 <mattdm> nb you want to run the open floor and see if anyone shows up?
19:40:29 <langdon> im at summit as well.. and if i hadn't been there, it would have been at ms build or google.io :/
19:42:07 <dgilmore> I will not be at summit
19:43:10 * mattdm is not hearing back from nb :)
19:43:14 <dgilmore> so without mattdm, langdon and bexelbie not sure it is worth having a meeting
19:43:19 <dgilmore> lets skip
19:43:21 <mattdm> It's probably best to just skip
19:43:24 <mattdm> #info no meeting next week
19:43:33 <mattdm> and with that I'll end *this* meeting
19:43:35 <mattdm> Thanks everyone.
19:43:45 <bexelbie> ty
19:43:46 * langdon grumbles.. bio!
19:43:51 <langdon> by all
19:43:57 <dgilmore> langdon: bio por favor
19:43:59 <mattdm> #endmeeting