#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:01:43

!startmeeting Fedora Council meeting - 2025-05-07

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

14:01:44

Meeting started at 2025-05-07 14:01:43 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

14:01:44

The Meeting name is 'Fedora Council meeting - 2025-05-07'

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:01:47

!meetingname council

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

14:01:48

The Meeting Name is now council

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:01:57

!topic Welcome & hello's

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:01:59

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:02:00

Justin Wheeler (jflory7) - he / him / his

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:02:08

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:02:09

Aoife Moloney (amoloney)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

14:02:09

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:02:11

Jona Azizaj (jonatoni) - she / her / hers

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:02:12

Howdy folks!

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:02:43

Hello!

<@timijoseph:matrix.org>

14:02:52

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:02:56

No Fedora Accounts users have the @timijoseph:matrix.org Matrix Account defined

<@jspaleta:fedora.im>

14:03:12

👋

<@asamalik:fedora.im>

14:03:17

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:03:18

Adam Samalik (asamalik) - he / him / his

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:03:34

Timi Joseph: set that in the Fedora Account System so it will work

<@timijoseph:matrix.org>

14:04:02

Thanks so much, I’ll do that

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:04:33

You can do it in https://accounts.fedoraproject.org, you need to add @timijoseph:matrix.org there 🙂

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:04:48

We will give it a few minutes for folks to roll in…

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:04:55

How are folks doing?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:05:01

Flock is less than a month away!!!!!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:05:05

🙌

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:05:22

🎉

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:06:28

Yes, wow.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:06:31

A very full election cycle.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:06:33

On all counts.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:03

!info Present Council members: @jflory7, @amoloney, @jonatoni, @asamalik

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:11

Let's get a move on with the agenda.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:23

Aoife Moloney: Sorry to ask if you shared this already. Did you have an agenda prepped?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:07:32

Or want me to set a `!topic`?

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:08:05

I did, i msgd into the council room yesterday asking for any particular topics, and I have some items pn the publilshed agenda on discourse

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:08:08

!topic Agenda

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:08:28

!info below are todays council topics

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:08:29

Any other business

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:08:29

Welcoming new FPL!

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:08:29

Proven packager statement follow up

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:08:29

Contributor survey brainstorming

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:08:40

!link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/council-meeting-2025-04-07/152054

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:08:48

Awesome

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:08:51

LGTM

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:09:06

!topic Welcoming the new FPL

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:09:12

Jef Spaleta: 🎉

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:09:14

🎆

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:09:21

💕

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:09:23

Jef Spaleta: welcome to Fedora council!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:09:35

💝

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:09:54

Welcome officially Jef 🙂

<@jspaleta:fedora.im>

14:10:03

I'm excited to be here.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:10:30

!info Introducing Jef Spaleta as the incoming FPL! Until Flock, we will have a brief transition period, and Jef will officially take the reigns from Matthew at Flock.

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:10:40

As a not-fun but par-for-the-course exercise, if you would like to share a fun fact about yourself feel free to :p

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:10:59

(You might keep that fun fact handy for your eventual Council docs bio)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:11:08

Your first Council-related action item 😛

<@jspaleta:fedora.im>

14:11:42

fun fact... so many to choose from. I've circumnavigated the globe... in under 2 minutes... I walked around the geographic south pole and experienced all longitudes

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:12:00

wow 👀 that is a cool fact!

<@bittin:matrix.org>

14:12:38

welcome Jef Spaleta :)

<@bittin:matrix.org>

14:12:38

guess i will get in contact if i need to talk to the new FPL In the future :)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:14:52

Wow, quite the intercontinental traveler!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:15:18

Also, my home network just dropped, not sure what is happening. I'm on mobile for a moment

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:15:20

!info we are onboarding Jef Spaleta as the new FPL through ticket https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/529

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:15:41

Not to cut the welcome short but we should continue :)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:15:55

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:16:01

!topic Proven Packager statement follow up

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:17:10

!info the council have drafted a statement to publish regarding the proven packager issue of Dec 2024. We are working with FESCo and Peter Robinson to ensure we are aligned in our statement to close out the matter, and have agreed to and actionable next steps to take

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:17:55

thats the tl;dr. Have all council members seen the latest revision by zbyszek (sorry for the ping) on the email thread? I quite like it and would be +1 to that

<@timijoseph:matrix.org>

14:18:22

!hi

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:18:23

looking at it now

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:18:46

No Fedora Accounts users have the @timijoseph:matrix.org Matrix Account defined

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

14:18:47

I have seen it, and I'm +1

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:18:50

Same

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:20:16

Is the proposed revision in a google doc? I want to make sure we're all looking at the same thing

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:20:36

no let me put that there now under a V3 heading

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:20:43

Just read, looks good to me

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:21:10

I like that we are entrusting FESCo to make this process better

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:21:24

And supporting them, instead of driving it ourselves

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:21:33

This feels like the Fedora way IMHO

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:22:56

ok its a

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:23:07

ok its in all documents now under V3

<@asamalik:fedora.im>

14:23:25

+1, straight to the point says what it needs to

<@jbrooks:matrix.org>

14:24:46

It looks good to me, the feedback was really helpful in getting to this point

<@asamalik:fedora.im>

14:24:52

we could cut "For example, the guidelines..." and anything after that, but I don't mind leaving it

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:25:10

I can be +1. I do feel like there are other issues that aren't properly covered, like the ARM Architecture SIG situation. But I don't want to hold things back.

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:25:37

once we have a link to what it references, we can leave an example of where policies are out of sync. but if we dont have an example, we should drop ut

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:25:42

once we have a link to what it references, we can leave an example of where policies are out of sync. but if we dont have an example, we should drop it

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:26:14

If I vote now, I vote +1

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:26:35

I will make sure Peter is aware of the V3 version were working from, and once there is no issue there, I think this is a good statement to put out on the matter that allows everyone to move forward positively

<@asamalik:fedora.im>

14:26:52

I like it's leaving all the details out. Just basically "wrong/no process, please fix/create process". Because that was the primary issue. The details are then on FESCo, to perhaps try with the new process if they need to.

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:26:53

Actually a council vote could be helpful too, for transparency and all :)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:26:57

And a kudos to Aoife for being the negotiator in this difficult situation

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:27:00

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:27:27

dcantrell: has been my comrade in this too as our FESCo rep :)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

14:27:28

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:27:48

dcantrell++

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:27:50

jflory7 gave a cookie to dcantrell. They now have 20 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:28:09

Aoife Moloney++

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:28:11

jflory7 has already given cookies to amoloney during the F42 timeframe

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:28:20

Yeah I figured that one 😝

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:28:29

!proposed Council members are +1 to the V3 statement, and would like to proceed with this publicly pending final buy-in from all statkeholders (FESCo & Peter Robinson)

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:28:42

!proposed Council members are +1 to the V3 statement, and would like to proceed with this publicly pending final buy-in from all stakeholders (FESCo & Peter Robinson)

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:29:22

if anyone is -1, please speak now. otherwise I will add an agreed statement on that in a few minutes

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:29:56

!group members Council

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

14:29:59

Members of Council: Aoife Moloney, asamalik, Aleksandra Fedorova, Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez, David Cantrell, Jason Brooks, jflory7 (@jflory7:fedora.im, @fca:fedoraproject.org), Jona Azizaj, Matthew Miller

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:31:46

We have asamalik and mattdm as a +1 already in the chat, so I think we will go with the majority on this topic to get it over the line and agree to approving this V3 statement

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:32:25

!agreed The Fedora Council members are +1 to the V3 statement on the proven packager issue, and would like to proceed with this version publicly, pending final buy-in from all stakeholders (FESCo & Peter Robinson)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:33:06

🫡

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:33:19

!action @amoloney to follow up wth Peter and FESCo on this decision and align on a publish date

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:33:36

Thank you Aoife!

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:33:44

!topic Contributor Survey Brainstorming

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:34:31

!info The Fedora Project runs a contributor survey annually. We would like to do one this year too and launch it during Flock. We need to come up with some questions we would like to have feedback on

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:35:09

So this is a bit of 'fishing', and will either be a waste of time (which we wll decide to park at quarter to the hour), or will be useful

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:36:08

does anyone have questions from the previous surveys to hand?

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:36:19

It's in limesurvey, I think?

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:37:08

I would also like Gwmngilfen 's help in cleaning up the methodology

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:38:30

ooh there is even a 2024 one in limesurvey

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:38:34

which we never ran

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:39:02

I think we just need to:

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:39:02

1. clean that up

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:39:02

3. run it!

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:39:02

2. add any new things we want to ask about

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:39:12

could you copy paste the questions into a shared doc please for the wider council members to see whats there?

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:39:39

I can do that, but it will take more than a few minutes because of the limesurvey UI

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:40:10

yeah I cant even access it rn (Im on a different laptop, cant remember my password)

<@asamalik:fedora.im>

14:40:13

this sort of thing is best done async anyway, in my opinion

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:40:15

oh no wait there's an export option

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:40:33

but yeah let's not try to hack on it right now

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:40:37

So, wait

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:40:42

lets get it into a collaborative doc and work on it async. Its enough to know its on the TODO for us to get this survey in good shape

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:40:43

I think we are putting the cart before the horse

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:40:51

Let's use Aleksandra's doc to reflect on the existing questions

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:40:55

For me personally, I'm curious

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:40:59

What is top of mind for y'all?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:04

What are your questions for the community?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:09

What is the most important thing you want to know?

<@asamalik:fedora.im>

14:41:14

or in like a dedicated call/meeting here when we're all prepared, which might be good for brainstorming or initial discussion

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:38

I definitely would be curious to know what folks thing about some of our emerging tech areas, and if they even register for the average contributor. RISC-V, AI/ML, PyTorch, this sort of thing

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:41:41

I think the ask for this meeting is to be aware this is a priority item, and work will be coming your way to collaborate on the survey

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:41:59

Ah, okay

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:42:04

so, punt to next/anther call?

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:42:10

so, punt to next/anther meeting?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:42:10

I prefer meeting feedback because my bandwidth is super tight before Flock

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:42:50

I'm chasing a lot of things in these next few weeks and I just want to be honest I have a lot going on right now, so this is the best avenue for me to share feedback quickly. But I'll do my best to keep up on a Google Doc and share thoughts too

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:43:02

The timing is hard, plus the virtual release events coming 😅

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:43:35

unfortunatelty no one, myself included, has had the time to think about this topic until right now, so were not going to be any more productive than making a few mental notes that we should take a look at the contributor survey questions when they appear in the council chat room

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:43:55

Fair enough.

<@asamalik:fedora.im>

14:44:01

it could be just a smaller subset of the council + some experts working on it, whoever has time

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:44:13

This would be a great thing for another member of the Council with more free hands to help with

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:44:48

!proposal Identify a lead for driving the contributor survey. Collate the survey questions from 2024 & proposed questions from bookwar to one doc and share with the wider council for feedback

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:44:49

Whoever has time in the month before Flock is a tough ask 😄

<@asamalik:fedora.im>

14:44:53

or at least driving it, and just asking others for input

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:45:00

yeah. bookwar does not have spare time :)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:45:52

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:45:59

I can do the mechanics, like gettng the information together and sending it to ppl, but I am not very good at thinking of questions

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:46:24

so I will take the 'doing' part, but I need help with the 'thinking' part

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:47:06

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/previous-year-survey-questions/152375

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:47:25

This is the part I'm better at 😛

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:48:33

you might be too caught with Flock unfortunately for this one 🙈 mattdm want to pair up on this?

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:49:11

yeah. we really need to not skip this this year.

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:49:30

I will try to grab some of Greg's time, too

<@jspaleta:fedora.im>

14:49:45

I can be involved, but I probably can't drive it yet

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:50:47

!agreed @amoloney and mattdm will work on the contributor survey, and share questions with the council for feedback over the next week or two. Council members are asked to give feedback on questions please too. We are targeting a 'go live' date for Opening Remarks of Flock 2025

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:50:57

thanks Jef!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:51:26

🫡

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:51:27

yeah we will definitely read you in Jef! This is probably a good shadowing exercise to do anyway

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:51:36

!topic Open Floor

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:52:11

were now in the free for all part :) thanks everyone for getting through todays agenda! Any last minute items?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:53:34

Announcements!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:53:51

I had a few teed up on my laptop but then my network went out 😑

<@bittin:matrix.org>

14:53:57

Will flock be recorded this year?

<@bittin:matrix.org>

14:53:57

i will be away on other adventures this time

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:53:59

Uhhh, elections was a big one

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:54:05

And reminding folks that nominations close tomorrow.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:54:15

We are going to have one of the most lively elections in many years.

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:54:17

yep, good call out!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:54:23

Eight candidates for Council and eight candidates for Mindshare.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:54:30

Yes, that is the plan!

<@bittin:matrix.org>

14:54:31

oh nice

<@bittin:matrix.org>

14:54:40

great

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:54:51

!info The Fedora elections nominations for Council, FESCo, EPEL and Mindshare will close tomorrow, May 8

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:54:52

Another interesting news from our upstream peers

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:54:55

!link https://blogs.gnome.org/steven/2025/05/06/introducing-myself/

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:54:59

GNOME has a new Executive Director

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:55:11

Right when Fedora is getting a new FPL 😝

<@bittin:matrix.org>

14:55:13

might join in for Day 2 or 3 but i am busy for Day 1 atleast

<@bittin:matrix.org>

14:55:26

oh i had missed that thanks for the info Justin Wheeler

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:56:31

I'm trying to think of other stuff, but that's at least the big one.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:56:40

If you will be in Prague for Flock, please don't delay registering!!

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:57:08

I'm super-excited to have so many candidates!

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:57:33

one side note: we will only have one more council meeting before flock

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

14:57:35

What did we do right?

<@asamalik:fedora.im>

14:58:04

Or wrong :D

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:58:10

Or maybe, is it what we did wrong? 🤣🤣

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:58:15

lolol jinx

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:58:20

Phew.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:58:31

Wait! Did we register a Council panel discussion for Flock this year??

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:58:48

no we didnt

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:58:52

I remember there might have been a last minute cancellation before the schedule gets published… if we can't pull from waitlist, maybe we slot this in?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:59:10

I always forget to plan this every year 🤦🏻‍♂️

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:59:27

there may be space, but I dont see it being super priority with opening/cloding remarks and a double-fpl session

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

14:59:58

there may be space, but I dont see it being super priority with opening/closing remarks and a double-fpl session

<@mattdm:fedora.im>

15:00:13

If there's space, it's a good thing to do, and we can maybe push on non-FPL-people talking the most :)

<@jspaleta:fedora.im>

15:00:53

im mostly going to be beatsaber dueling matt on stage for the dual FPL session

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

15:00:53

ack, I will be doing schedule revisions later this evening so I will know if we hve space or not for sure then

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

15:01:05

I have to drop, thanks everyone for your time today!

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

15:01:07

!endmeeting