2025-05-07 14:01:43 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !startmeeting Fedora Council meeting - 2025-05-07
2025-05-07 14:01:44 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-05-07 14:01:43 UTC
2025-05-07 14:01:44 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora Council meeting - 2025-05-07'
2025-05-07 14:01:47 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !meetingname council
2025-05-07 14:01:48 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now council
2025-05-07 14:01:57 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !topic Welcome & hello's
2025-05-07 14:01:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-07 14:02:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Justin Wheeler (jflory7) - he / him / his
2025-05-07 14:02:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-07 14:02:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney (amoloney)
2025-05-07 14:02:09 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-07 14:02:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jona Azizaj (jonatoni) - she / her / hers
2025-05-07 14:02:12 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Howdy folks!
2025-05-07 14:02:43 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Hello!
2025-05-07 14:02:52 <@timijoseph:matrix.org> !hi
2025-05-07 14:02:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> No Fedora Accounts users have the @timijoseph:matrix.org Matrix Account defined
2025-05-07 14:03:12 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> 👋
2025-05-07 14:03:17 <@asamalik:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-07 14:03:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Samalik (asamalik) - he / him / his
2025-05-07 14:03:34 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Timi Joseph: set that in the Fedora Account System so it will work
2025-05-07 14:04:02 <@timijoseph:matrix.org> Thanks so much, I’ll do that
2025-05-07 14:04:33 <@jflory7:fedora.im> You can do it in https://accounts.fedoraproject.org, you need to add @timijoseph:matrix.org there 🙂 
2025-05-07 14:04:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We will give it a few minutes for folks to roll in…
2025-05-07 14:04:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> How are folks doing?
2025-05-07 14:05:01 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Flock is less than a month away!!!!!
2025-05-07 14:05:05 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 🙌
2025-05-07 14:05:22 <@amoloney:fedora.im> 🎉
2025-05-07 14:06:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Yes, wow.
2025-05-07 14:06:31 <@jflory7:fedora.im> A very full election cycle.
2025-05-07 14:06:33 <@jflory7:fedora.im> On all counts.
2025-05-07 14:07:03 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info Present Council members: @jflory7, @amoloney, @jonatoni, @asamalik
2025-05-07 14:07:11 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Let's get a move on with the agenda.
2025-05-07 14:07:23 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney: Sorry to ask if you shared this already. Did you have an agenda prepped?
2025-05-07 14:07:32 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Or want me to set a `!topic`?
2025-05-07 14:08:05 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I did, i msgd into the council room yesterday asking for any particular topics, and I have some items pn the publilshed agenda on discourse
2025-05-07 14:08:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Agenda
2025-05-07 14:08:28 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info below are todays council topics
2025-05-07 14:08:29 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Any other business
2025-05-07 14:08:29 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Welcoming new FPL!
2025-05-07 14:08:29 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Proven packager statement follow up
2025-05-07 14:08:29 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Contributor survey brainstorming
2025-05-07 14:08:40 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/council-meeting-2025-04-07/152054
2025-05-07 14:08:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Awesome
2025-05-07 14:08:51 <@jflory7:fedora.im> LGTM
2025-05-07 14:09:06 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Welcoming the new FPL
2025-05-07 14:09:12 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Jef Spaleta: 🎉
2025-05-07 14:09:14 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 🎆
2025-05-07 14:09:21 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 💕
2025-05-07 14:09:23 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Jef Spaleta: welcome to Fedora council!
2025-05-07 14:09:35 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 💝
2025-05-07 14:09:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Welcome officially Jef 🙂 
2025-05-07 14:10:03 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> I'm excited to be here.
2025-05-07 14:10:30 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info Introducing Jef Spaleta as the incoming FPL! Until Flock, we will have a brief transition period, and Jef will officially take the reigns from Matthew at Flock.
2025-05-07 14:10:40 <@amoloney:fedora.im> As a not-fun but par-for-the-course exercise, if you would like to share a fun fact about yourself feel free to :p
2025-05-07 14:10:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> (You might keep that fun fact handy for your eventual Council docs bio)
2025-05-07 14:11:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Your first Council-related action item 😛 
2025-05-07 14:11:42 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> fun fact... so many to choose from.   I've circumnavigated the globe... in under 2 minutes... I walked around the geographic south pole and experienced all longitudes
2025-05-07 14:12:00 <@amoloney:fedora.im> wow 👀 that is a cool fact!
2025-05-07 14:12:38 <@bittin:matrix.org> welcome Jef Spaleta :) 
2025-05-07 14:12:38 <@bittin:matrix.org> guess i will get in contact if i need to talk to the new FPL In the future :) 
2025-05-07 14:14:52 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Wow, quite the intercontinental traveler!
2025-05-07 14:15:18 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Also, my home network just dropped, not sure what is happening. I'm on mobile for a moment 
2025-05-07 14:15:20 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info we are onboarding Jef Spaleta as the new FPL through ticket https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/529
2025-05-07 14:15:41 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Not to cut the welcome short but we should continue :)
2025-05-07 14:15:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +1
2025-05-07 14:16:01 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Proven Packager statement follow up
2025-05-07 14:17:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info the council have drafted a statement to publish regarding the proven packager issue of Dec 2024. We are working with FESCo and Peter Robinson to ensure we are aligned in our statement to close out the matter, and have agreed to and actionable next steps to take
2025-05-07 14:17:55 <@amoloney:fedora.im> thats the tl;dr. Have all council members seen the latest revision by zbyszek (sorry for the ping) on the email thread? I quite like it and would be +1 to that
2025-05-07 14:18:22 <@timijoseph:matrix.org> !hi
2025-05-07 14:18:23 <@mattdm:fedora.im> looking at it now
2025-05-07 14:18:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> No Fedora Accounts users have the @timijoseph:matrix.org Matrix Account defined
2025-05-07 14:18:47 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> I have seen it, and I'm +1 
2025-05-07 14:18:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Same
2025-05-07 14:20:16 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Is the proposed revision in a google doc? I want to make sure we're all looking at the same thing
2025-05-07 14:20:36 <@amoloney:fedora.im> no let me put that there now under a V3 heading
2025-05-07 14:20:43 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Just read, looks good to me 
2025-05-07 14:21:10 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I like that we are entrusting FESCo to make this process better 
2025-05-07 14:21:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And supporting them, instead of driving it ourselves 
2025-05-07 14:21:33 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This feels like the Fedora way IMHO
2025-05-07 14:22:56 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ok its a
2025-05-07 14:23:07 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ok its in all documents now under V3
2025-05-07 14:23:25 <@asamalik:fedora.im> +1, straight to the point says what it needs to 
2025-05-07 14:24:46 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> It looks good to me, the feedback was really helpful in getting to this point
2025-05-07 14:24:52 <@asamalik:fedora.im> we could cut "For example, the guidelines..." and anything after that, but I don't mind leaving it
2025-05-07 14:25:10 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I can be +1. I do feel like there are other issues that aren't properly covered, like the ARM Architecture SIG situation. But I don't want to hold things back.
2025-05-07 14:25:37 <@amoloney:fedora.im> once we have a link to what it references, we can leave an example of where policies are out of sync. but if we dont have an example, we should drop ut
2025-05-07 14:25:42 <@amoloney:fedora.im> once we have a link to what it references, we can leave an example of where policies are out of sync. but if we dont have an example, we should drop it
2025-05-07 14:26:14 <@jflory7:fedora.im> If I vote now, I vote +1
2025-05-07 14:26:35 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I will make sure Peter is aware of the V3 version were working from, and once there is no issue there, I think this is a good statement to put out on the matter that allows everyone to move forward positively
2025-05-07 14:26:52 <@asamalik:fedora.im> I like it's leaving all the details out. Just basically "wrong/no process, please fix/create process". Because that was the primary issue. The details are then on FESCo, to perhaps try with the new process if they need to. 
2025-05-07 14:26:53 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Actually a council vote could be helpful too, for transparency and all :)
2025-05-07 14:26:57 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And a kudos to Aoife for being the negotiator in this difficult situation 
2025-05-07 14:27:00 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +1
2025-05-07 14:27:27 <@amoloney:fedora.im> dcantrell: has been my comrade in this too as our FESCo rep :)
2025-05-07 14:27:28 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> +1
2025-05-07 14:27:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> dcantrell++
2025-05-07 14:27:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 gave a cookie to dcantrell. They now have 20 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-05-07 14:28:09 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney++
2025-05-07 14:28:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 has already given cookies to amoloney during the F42 timeframe
2025-05-07 14:28:20 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Yeah I figured that one 😝
2025-05-07 14:28:29 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !proposed Council members are +1 to the V3 statement, and would like to proceed with this publicly pending final buy-in from all statkeholders (FESCo & Peter Robinson)
2025-05-07 14:28:42 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !proposed Council members are +1 to the V3 statement, and would like to proceed with this publicly pending final buy-in from all stakeholders (FESCo & Peter Robinson)
2025-05-07 14:29:22 <@amoloney:fedora.im> if anyone is -1, please speak now. otherwise I will add an agreed statement on that in a few minutes
2025-05-07 14:29:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !group members Council 
2025-05-07 14:29:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Members of Council: Aoife Moloney, asamalik, Aleksandra Fedorova, Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez, David Cantrell, Jason Brooks, jflory7 (@jflory7:fedora.im, @fca:fedoraproject.org), Jona Azizaj, Matthew Miller
2025-05-07 14:31:46 <@amoloney:fedora.im> We have asamalik and mattdm as a +1 already in the chat, so I think we will go with the majority on this topic to get it over the line and agree to approving this V3 statement
2025-05-07 14:32:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !agreed The Fedora Council members are +1 to the V3 statement on the proven packager issue, and would like to proceed with this version publicly, pending final buy-in from all stakeholders (FESCo & Peter Robinson)
2025-05-07 14:33:06 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 🫡
2025-05-07 14:33:19 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action @amoloney to follow up wth Peter and FESCo on this decision and align on a publish date
2025-05-07 14:33:36 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Thank you Aoife!
2025-05-07 14:33:44 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Contributor Survey Brainstorming
2025-05-07 14:34:31 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info The Fedora Project runs a contributor survey annually. We would like to do one this year too and launch it during Flock. We need to come up with some questions we would like to have feedback on
2025-05-07 14:35:09 <@amoloney:fedora.im> So this is a bit of 'fishing', and will either be a waste of time (which we wll decide to park at quarter to the hour), or will be useful
2025-05-07 14:36:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> does anyone have questions from the previous surveys to hand?
2025-05-07 14:36:19 <@mattdm:fedora.im> It's in limesurvey, I think?
2025-05-07 14:37:08 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I would also like Gwmngilfen 's help in cleaning up the methodology
2025-05-07 14:38:30 <@mattdm:fedora.im> ooh there is even a 2024 one in limesurvey
2025-05-07 14:38:34 <@mattdm:fedora.im> which we never ran
2025-05-07 14:39:02 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I think we just need to:
2025-05-07 14:39:02 <@mattdm:fedora.im> 1. clean that up
2025-05-07 14:39:02 <@mattdm:fedora.im> 3. run it!
2025-05-07 14:39:02 <@mattdm:fedora.im> 2. add any new things we want to ask about
2025-05-07 14:39:12 <@amoloney:fedora.im> could you copy paste the questions into a shared doc please for the wider council members to see whats there?
2025-05-07 14:39:39 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I can do that, but it will take more than a few minutes because of the limesurvey UI
2025-05-07 14:40:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> yeah I cant even access it rn (Im on a different laptop, cant remember my password)
2025-05-07 14:40:13 <@asamalik:fedora.im> this sort of thing is best done async anyway, in my opinion
2025-05-07 14:40:15 <@mattdm:fedora.im> oh no wait there's an export option
2025-05-07 14:40:33 <@mattdm:fedora.im> but yeah let's not try to hack on it right now
2025-05-07 14:40:37 <@jflory7:fedora.im> So, wait 
2025-05-07 14:40:42 <@amoloney:fedora.im> lets get it into a collaborative doc and work on it async. Its enough to know its on the TODO for us to get this survey in good shape
2025-05-07 14:40:43 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think we are putting the cart before the horse 
2025-05-07 14:40:51 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Let's use Aleksandra's doc to reflect on the existing questions
2025-05-07 14:40:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> For me personally, I'm curious 
2025-05-07 14:40:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> What is top of mind for y'all? 
2025-05-07 14:41:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> What are your questions for the community? 
2025-05-07 14:41:09 <@jflory7:fedora.im> What is the most important thing you want to know? 
2025-05-07 14:41:14 <@asamalik:fedora.im> or in like a dedicated call/meeting here when we're all prepared, which might be good for brainstorming or initial discussion
2025-05-07 14:41:38 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I definitely would be curious to know what folks thing about some of our emerging tech areas, and if they even register for the average contributor. RISC-V, AI/ML, PyTorch, this sort of thing 
2025-05-07 14:41:41 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I think the ask for this meeting is to be aware this is a priority item, and work will be coming your way to collaborate on the survey 
2025-05-07 14:41:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Ah, okay
2025-05-07 14:42:04 <@amoloney:fedora.im> so, punt to next/anther call?
2025-05-07 14:42:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> so, punt to next/anther meeting?
2025-05-07 14:42:10 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I prefer meeting feedback because my bandwidth is super tight before Flock 
2025-05-07 14:42:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'm chasing a lot of things in these next few weeks and I just want to be honest I have a lot going on right now, so this is the best avenue for me to share feedback quickly. But I'll do my best to keep up on a Google Doc and share thoughts too 
2025-05-07 14:43:02 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The timing is hard, plus the virtual release events coming 😅
2025-05-07 14:43:35 <@amoloney:fedora.im> unfortunatelty no one, myself included, has had the time to think about this topic until right now, so were not going to be any more productive than making a few mental notes that we should take a look at the contributor survey questions when they appear in the council chat room
2025-05-07 14:43:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Fair enough. 
2025-05-07 14:44:01 <@asamalik:fedora.im> it could be just a smaller subset of the council + some experts working on it, whoever has time 
2025-05-07 14:44:13 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This would be a great thing for another member of the Council with more free hands to help with 
2025-05-07 14:44:48 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !proposal Identify a lead for driving the contributor survey. Collate the survey questions from 2024 & proposed questions from bookwar  to one doc and share with the wider council for feedback 
2025-05-07 14:44:49 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Whoever has time in the month before Flock is a tough ask 😄
2025-05-07 14:44:53 <@asamalik:fedora.im> or at least driving it, and just asking others for input
2025-05-07 14:45:00 <@mattdm:fedora.im> yeah. bookwar does not have spare time :)
2025-05-07 14:45:52 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +1
2025-05-07 14:45:59 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I can do the mechanics, like gettng the information together and sending it to ppl, but I am not very good at thinking of questions
2025-05-07 14:46:24 <@amoloney:fedora.im> so I will take the 'doing' part, but I need help with the 'thinking' part
2025-05-07 14:47:06 <@mattdm:fedora.im> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/previous-year-survey-questions/152375
2025-05-07 14:47:25 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This is the part I'm better at 😛
2025-05-07 14:48:33 <@amoloney:fedora.im> you might be too caught with Flock unfortunately for this one 🙈 mattdm want to pair up on this?
2025-05-07 14:49:11 <@mattdm:fedora.im> yeah. we really need to not skip this this year.
2025-05-07 14:49:30 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I will try to grab some of Greg's time, too
2025-05-07 14:49:45 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> I can be involved, but I probably can't drive it yet
2025-05-07 14:50:47 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !agreed @amoloney and mattdm will work on the contributor survey, and share questions with the council for feedback over the next week or two. Council members are asked to give feedback on questions please too. We are targeting a 'go live' date for Opening Remarks of Flock 2025
2025-05-07 14:50:57 <@mattdm:fedora.im> thanks Jef!
2025-05-07 14:51:26 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 🫡
2025-05-07 14:51:27 <@amoloney:fedora.im> yeah we will definitely read you in Jef! This is probably a good shadowing exercise to do anyway
2025-05-07 14:51:36 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-05-07 14:52:11 <@amoloney:fedora.im> were now in the free for all part :) thanks everyone for getting through todays agenda! Any last minute items?
2025-05-07 14:53:34 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Announcements! 
2025-05-07 14:53:51 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I had a few teed up on my laptop but then my network went out 😑
2025-05-07 14:53:57 <@bittin:matrix.org> Will flock be recorded this year?
2025-05-07 14:53:57 <@bittin:matrix.org> i will be away on other adventures this time
2025-05-07 14:53:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Uhhh, elections was a big one 
2025-05-07 14:54:05 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And reminding folks that nominations close tomorrow. 
2025-05-07 14:54:15 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We are going to have one of the most lively elections in many years. 
2025-05-07 14:54:17 <@amoloney:fedora.im> yep, good call out!
2025-05-07 14:54:23 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Eight candidates for Council and eight candidates for Mindshare. 
2025-05-07 14:54:30 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Yes, that is the plan!
2025-05-07 14:54:31 <@bittin:matrix.org> oh nice
2025-05-07 14:54:40 <@bittin:matrix.org> great
2025-05-07 14:54:51 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info The Fedora elections nominations for Council, FESCo, EPEL and Mindshare will close tomorrow, May 8
2025-05-07 14:54:52 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Another interesting news from our upstream peers 
2025-05-07 14:54:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://blogs.gnome.org/steven/2025/05/06/introducing-myself/
2025-05-07 14:54:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> GNOME has a new Executive Director 
2025-05-07 14:55:11 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Right when Fedora is getting a new FPL 😝
2025-05-07 14:55:13 <@bittin:matrix.org> might join in for Day 2 or 3 but i am busy for Day 1 atleast
2025-05-07 14:55:26 <@bittin:matrix.org> oh i had missed that thanks for the info Justin Wheeler 
2025-05-07 14:56:31 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'm trying to think of other stuff, but that's at least the big one. 
2025-05-07 14:56:40 <@jflory7:fedora.im> If you will be in Prague for Flock, please don't delay registering!! 
2025-05-07 14:57:08 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I'm super-excited to have so many candidates!
2025-05-07 14:57:33 <@amoloney:fedora.im> one side note: we will only have one more council meeting before flock
2025-05-07 14:57:35 <@mattdm:fedora.im> What did we do right?
2025-05-07 14:58:04 <@asamalik:fedora.im> Or wrong :D 
2025-05-07 14:58:10 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Or maybe, is it what we did wrong? 🤣🤣
2025-05-07 14:58:15 <@jflory7:fedora.im> lolol jinx
2025-05-07 14:58:20 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Phew.
2025-05-07 14:58:31 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Wait! Did we register a Council panel discussion for Flock this year?? 
2025-05-07 14:58:48 <@amoloney:fedora.im> no we didnt
2025-05-07 14:58:52 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I remember there might have been a last minute cancellation before the schedule gets published… if we can't pull from waitlist, maybe we slot this in? 
2025-05-07 14:59:10 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I always forget to plan this every year 🤦🏻‍♂️
2025-05-07 14:59:27 <@amoloney:fedora.im> there may be space, but I dont see it being super priority with opening/cloding remarks and a double-fpl session 
2025-05-07 14:59:58 <@amoloney:fedora.im> there may be space, but I dont see it being super priority with opening/closing remarks and a double-fpl session 
2025-05-07 15:00:13 <@mattdm:fedora.im> If there's space, it's a good thing to do, and we can maybe push on non-FPL-people talking the most :)
2025-05-07 15:00:53 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> im mostly going to be beatsaber dueling matt on stage for the dual FPL session
2025-05-07 15:00:53 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ack, I will be doing schedule revisions later this evening so I will know if we hve space or not for sure then
2025-05-07 15:01:05 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I have to drop, thanks everyone for your time today!
2025-05-07 15:01:07 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !endmeeting