2026-04-22 14:01:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !startmeeting Fedora Council - 2026-04-22
2026-04-22 14:01:57 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2026-04-22 14:01:56 UTC
2026-04-22 14:01:57 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora Council - 2026-04-22'
2026-04-22 14:01:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !meetingname council
2026-04-22 14:02:00 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now council
2026-04-22 14:02:12 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !group members council
2026-04-22 14:02:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Members of council: Aoife Moloney, Aleksandra Fedorova, Miro Hrončok, Dave Cantrell, jflory7 (@jflory7:fedora.im, @fca:fedoraproject.org), Jona Azizaj, Jef Spaleta, Laura Santamaria, Petr Bokoč, Peter Boy, Ryan Lerch, Akashdeep Dhar
2026-04-22 14:02:17 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-22 14:02:17 <@churchyard:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-22 14:02:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jef Spaleta: Jef Spaleta (jspaleta) - he / him / his
2026-04-22 14:02:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> mhroncok: Miro Hrončok (churchyard) - he / him / his or they / them / theirs
2026-04-22 14:02:20 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !topic Intros, welcomes, hellos
2026-04-22 14:02:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> !hi 
2026-04-22 14:02:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Peter Boy (ServerWG, Docs): Peter Boy (pboy)
2026-04-22 14:02:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info Welcome to another Fedora Council meeting! If you are present and intend to follow along with today's meeting, please identify yourself by typing `!hi` in the chat. Council members in attendance will have their attendance noted before moving to the agenda.
2026-04-22 14:02:26 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-22 14:02:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Justin Wheeler: Justin Wheeler (jflory7) - he / him / his
2026-04-22 14:02:30 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-22 14:02:31 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-22 14:02:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> dcantrell: Dave Cantrell (dcantrell) - he / him / his
2026-04-22 14:02:33 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Greetings!
2026-04-22 14:02:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Gordon Messmer: Gordon Messmer (gordonmessmer)
2026-04-22 14:02:35 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !hi
2026-04-22 14:02:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> nimbinatus: Laura Santamaria (nimbinatus) - she / her / hers
2026-04-22 14:02:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Ooh, this is a nice quorum 🙂 
2026-04-22 14:02:51 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-22 14:02:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jona Azizaj (she/her): Jona Azizaj (jonatoni) - she / her / hers
2026-04-22 14:03:37 <@pbokoc:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-22 14:03:38 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Petr Bokoc: Petr Bokoč (pbokoc)
2026-04-22 14:03:47 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-22 14:04:00 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Hah, it's like Petr Bokoc and Akashdeep Dhar knew I was about to ask about them 😄 
2026-04-22 14:04:20 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> super qourom? Is that a thing?
2026-04-22 14:04:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Akashdeep Dhar: Akashdeep Dhar (t0xic0der) - he / him / his
2026-04-22 14:04:35 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Actually!
2026-04-22 14:04:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We are just missing bookwar and ryanlerch, but Ryan is hopefully in bed 🙂 
2026-04-22 14:04:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Let's get this show on the road!
2026-04-22 14:05:06 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !topic Meeting Agenda
2026-04-22 14:05:10 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council_Meetings#Next_Meeting_Agenda
2026-04-22 14:05:16 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/council/-/projects/2
2026-04-22 14:05:23 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Ooh, aah, a project board 🙂 
2026-04-22 14:05:38 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I see only one ticket triaged for discussion today… https://forge.fedoraproject.org/council/tickets/issues/562
2026-04-22 14:05:42 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Are there any others?
2026-04-22 14:05:51 <@bookwar:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-22 14:05:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> bookwar: Aleksandra Fedorova (bookwar) - she / her / hers
2026-04-22 14:05:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh, we could maybe do #392
2026-04-22 14:06:23 <@jflory7:fedora.im> There was some follow-up on that one
2026-04-22 14:07:02 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> hmm the new tickets didnt show up in the project board.  But I definitely want to use the board moving forward as a way to organize this meeting
2026-04-22 14:07:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info Present: @jflory7, @jspaleta, @churchyard, @pboy, @dcantrell, @gordonmessmer, @nimbinatus, @jonatoni, @pbokoc, @t0xic0der, @bookwar 
2026-04-22 14:07:31 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Jef Spaleta: Ah, you have to add them to the board 
2026-04-22 14:07:46 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Should we adjust the agenda?
2026-04-22 14:08:00 <@jflory7:fedora.im> https://forge.fedoraproject.org/council/tickets/issues/564
2026-04-22 14:08:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This one, that's right? 🙂 
2026-04-22 14:08:18 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> you mean alter course?
2026-04-22 14:08:20 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh, and we should probably discuss this new one: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/council/tickets/issues/563
2026-04-22 14:08:52 <@jflory7:fedora.im> So, potentially four tickets?
2026-04-22 14:09:10 <@jflory7:fedora.im> In priority, I think it is #562, #564, #563, and #392.
2026-04-22 14:09:11 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Oooh, ambitious. Me likey.
2026-04-22 14:09:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> #392 is looking unlikely now, but you never know!
2026-04-22 14:09:46 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> So the "Needs Meeting Discussion" is our agenda. Are they listed in order of priority? I only see 2
2026-04-22 14:09:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Barring any objections, I think we should just get into it and make the most of our time here 🙂 
2026-04-22 14:10:18 <@jflory7:fedora.im> nimbinatus: No, two of them need to be added to the board. I'll do that now.
2026-04-22 14:10:32 <@jflory7:fedora.im> There were two sneaky tickets opened in the last 24 hours 😄 
2026-04-22 14:10:37 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> It would be a courtesy to me for my proposal to see if it has consensus today.  But if there isn't we can take the discussion async.
2026-04-22 14:11:18 <@churchyard:fedora.im> (generally, I don't think it's reasonable to discuss tickets opened 24 hours ago.)
2026-04-22 14:11:36 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ACK.
2026-04-22 14:12:10 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> i also realize that ive ask for time outside of the regular meeting in the past couple of weeks.. and i dont want to monopolize the regular meeting by jumping the que.
2026-04-22 14:12:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> One of them is Jef's ticket and the other has to do with a sensitive CoC/elections issue that had some discussion in #council:fedoraproject.org already. I think it is fair, _if_ we have the time to get to it
2026-04-22 14:12:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> But this first topic will be a big one 🙂 
2026-04-22 14:13:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Ugh, Firefox is lagging super bad for me right now
2026-04-22 14:13:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !topic Ticket #562: Community Initiative Proposal: Fedora AI Developer Desktop Initiative
2026-04-22 14:13:31 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/council/tickets/issues/562
2026-04-22 14:13:44 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Gordon Messmer: Greetings! Do you want to take the floor and make a brief pitch for your Initiative?
2026-04-22 14:13:58 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> oh no, a pitch?
2026-04-22 14:14:00 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think some folks have had a chance to engage and read. Not sure if everyone has had the time yet.
2026-04-22 14:14:18 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Gordon Messmer: A TL;DNR, I guess the real pitch is your draft 😉 
2026-04-22 14:14:59 <@churchyard:fedora.im> I tried to follow the discussion on discussion.fedoraproject.org wrt this, but it's much harder for me than email, I did not get to all of it yet
2026-04-22 14:15:56 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> The proposal includes building a remix, which is generally permitted without approval or endorsement, but Fedora does endorse some, like Asahi
2026-04-22 14:15:57 <@jflory7:fedora.im> While Gordon writes out the refresher, I can log some of the proposed deliverables for this Community Initiative.
2026-04-22 14:17:06 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info A number of changes would produce an operating system image that would improve Fedora as a platform for AI software. This work may include:
2026-04-22 14:17:19 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info 1. Build an LTS kernel to deliver the benefit of a stable release process consistently, across the release.
2026-04-22 14:17:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info 2. Build and sign the NVIDIA out-of-tree kmod, OpenRM (until the Nova driver is ready), to eliminate the need for signing keys on the device where the keys are used, to provide a standard best practice build-test-deploy sequence, and to enable an Atomic system to support NVIDIA hardware.
2026-04-22 14:17:35 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info 3. Publish an Atomic system image focused on support for accelerated AI workloads, as a Fedora Spin.
2026-04-22 14:17:43 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> ... as well as work fleshing out documentation for users who want to use/evaluate AI workloads on Fedora platforms, and working with external projects to document Fedora workflows where we tend to see a lot of Ubuntu-focused documentation. So.. community building.
2026-04-22 14:17:43 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info 3.1 Publish a variant of that Atomic system image with CUDA runtime support, as a Fedora Remix.
2026-04-22 14:17:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info 4. Publish an Atomic system that supports the CUDA toolkit. (If Fedora cannot distribute this image due to license or policy issues that we can’t resolve, I’d like to ask NVIDIA if they would publish the image we build.) This layered image will be a Fedora Remix.
2026-04-22 14:18:03 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info 5. Include user-friendly tools common to various AI back-ends, such as Goose CLI and Podman Desktop.
2026-04-22 14:18:10 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info 6. Provide a contribution guide and invite community developers to directly improve the image rather than writing post-installation configuration guides.
2026-04-22 14:18:12 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info 7. Provide a space for AI software developers to showcase their work, provide short quick-start guides, and help users find applications that solve their problems and projects that they can contribute to.
2026-04-22 14:18:19 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info 8. Publish optimized container images for machine learning applications, aimed at AI developers.
2026-04-22 14:18:53 <@jflory7:fedora.im> > "The proposal includes building a remix, which is generally permitted without approval or endorsement, but Fedora does endorse some, like Asahi as well as work fleshing out documentation for users who want to use/evaluate AI workloads on Fedora platforms, and working with external projects to document Fedora workflows where we tend to see a lot of Ubuntu-focused documentation. So.. community building."
2026-04-22 14:19:03 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Rewriting that because I sorta spam-bombed Gordon 😅
2026-04-22 14:19:04 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> And longer term, more significant project: new or improved tools for AI assisted development
2026-04-22 14:19:44 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think when you say approval or endorsement, I think you are thinking of the trademark approval, that we allow them to use the mark
2026-04-22 14:20:29 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> Sure, but also, e.g.: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/docs/ asahi is mentioned on Fedora sites
2026-04-22 14:21:58 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> As I understand the guidelines, anyone can create a remix, and use the trademarks in specified ways, but some remixes (asahi) appear to be endorsed
2026-04-22 14:22:44 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> I like how the proposal is about a remix so it has the pathway of refining its purpose (mission/vision), onboarding some contributors on the path of it becoming an edition or a spin (that is, assuming if it wants to become one, some day)
2026-04-22 14:23:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> These are the usages of the Fedora logo which require permission:
2026-04-22 14:23:06 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/trademarks/#_usage_that_requires_permission
2026-04-22 14:24:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The remix trademark is a secondary, legally-registered trademark for Fedora, and we use this secondary trademark for things where it is not possible or not desirable to use the official Fedora mark. It is more flexible. A remix, since it includes third-party software that we do not include in Fedora, would need a Council approval if it were to use the Fedora logo and NOT the Remix logo mark
2026-04-22 14:24:31 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This is more of a process detail though
2026-04-22 14:24:40 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Not super relevant to the big picture of this topic
2026-04-22 14:25:01 <@bookwar:fedora.im> I think Fedora Remix trademark, and the placement of a remix in Fedora sites are two unrelated questions
2026-04-22 14:25:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Overall, I like the proposal. I think we should see if there are any questions by Councilfolk, AND if there is anyone who is interested to engage as Executive Sponsor?
2026-04-22 14:25:28 <@churchyard:fedora.im> out of curiosity, where would this remix live and be hosted etc.?
2026-04-22 14:25:41 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> Akashdeep Dhar: Yes, I want that to be an explicit goal. We see groups doing development based on Fedora today, and some of those aren't explicitly trying to upstream their work
2026-04-22 14:25:43 <@churchyard:fedora.im> (non-blocking question)
2026-04-22 14:26:16 <@bookwar:fedora.im> No matter how the remix is called and which trademark it uses - it can request a place in discussion.fp.org and we will consider it based on criteria like - whether they commit to moderate the discussion according to Fedora Code of Conduct rules and have people to do that
2026-04-22 14:27:13 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> Right now there are bits on codeberg and on quay. It might make sense to create a project on fedora's forge. (again, similar to asahi)
2026-04-22 14:27:29 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Asahi seems to have their own website, so that is somethign worth considering for this too.
2026-04-22 14:27:31 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> !link https://asahilinux.org/fedora/
2026-04-22 14:27:46 <@churchyard:fedora.im> anyway, generally, I am +1 to the objetive proposal, but I don't know from memory if we need objectives to have some aspects that might be missign here
2026-04-22 14:27:50 <@churchyard:fedora.im> anyway, generally, I am +1 to the objetive proposal, but I don't know from memory if we need objectives to have some aspects that might be missing here
2026-04-22 14:28:35 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Gordon Messmer: One challenge with the Remix trademark to consider is whether you are distributing things that Fedora has more challenges to distribute legally. I am not sure whether this will happen as part of the NVIDIA kernel modules are not
2026-04-22 14:29:16 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> But apart from this one implementation detail, I have no objections to this really.
2026-04-22 14:29:16 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Checking in with the design folks on the use of the trademark around documentation and website is something I'd recommend doing.
2026-04-22 14:29:16 <@jflory7:fedora.im> There is a bit of a timeline proposed, but I would also like to see something a bit more concrete with success criteria
2026-04-22 14:29:24 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> !link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/brand/
2026-04-22 14:30:43 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Asahi is off on their own because I think there are various things they ship, like kernel stuff, that is not in Fedora proper, and I am not sure whether there would be a liability risk due to perceived Red Hat/IBM connections with Fedora if Asahi were "official"
2026-04-22 14:30:59 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> so before any +1: this was intended to be proposed as an "initiative"
2026-04-22 14:30:59 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I think I've munged the terminology. :( 
2026-04-22 14:30:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Well, "off on their own" is doing a lot of work but I think you folks know what I mean
2026-04-22 14:31:53 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I think I got the terminology right in the ticket, but not on the discussion post
2026-04-22 14:32:30 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I think I got the terminology right in the council ticket, but not on the discussion post
2026-04-22 14:32:34 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Are you referring to the trademark stuff? Sorry didn't get what you meant. 
2026-04-22 14:33:15 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I was referring to miro's comment about "the objective proposal"
2026-04-22 14:33:21 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Yeah, just giving a reference of their website as being something to derive from. Since this proposal would eventually have a nomenclature of its own.
2026-04-22 14:33:21 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> The representation of the project can be its own discussion. 👍️
2026-04-22 14:33:35 <@bookwar:fedora.im> objective and initiative is the same thing right? :)
2026-04-22 14:33:39 <@bookwar:fedora.im> objective and initiative is the same thing, right? :)
2026-04-22 14:33:48 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Community Initiative is the new lingo
2026-04-22 14:33:56 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Council Objective was what it was called before
2026-04-22 14:34:08 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> The renaming happened during the Fedora Websites and Apps Community Revamp
2026-04-22 14:34:14 <@churchyard:fedora.im> oh, sorry about that.
2026-04-22 14:34:23 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> So we, of course, took the liberty to take the new name ;P
2026-04-22 14:34:23 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> perfect. Just want to make sure I'm not misrepresenting anything by using the wrong terminology. Thanks
2026-04-22 14:36:07 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> There are bits of the remix that are firmly remix territory: The CUDA runtime is redistributable but not open source. I've built a proof of concept image that includes that runtime
2026-04-22 14:37:03 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> whereas, images for other hardware platforms could exclude the not-open software
2026-04-22 14:37:56 <@jspaleta:fedora.im>   To be clear the inititive plans to have multiple image outputs?   And only the nvidia enablement output needs to be a remix yes?
2026-04-22 14:38:24 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> That sounds right
2026-04-22 14:39:01 <@jflory7:fedora.im> [@dcantrell:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@dcantrell:fedora.im) As our FESCo Engineering rep, do you want to weigh in here? 
2026-04-22 14:39:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> [@gordonmessmer:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@gordonmessmer:fedora.im) Do you have any leads or hints on which Council member would be the sponsor? Have you spoken with anyone about this yet? 
2026-04-22 14:39:44 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I spoke to Gordon yesterday and read through the proposal and am onboard with it.  I don't have anything to add that has not already been mentioned here
2026-04-22 14:39:52 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> I think what we have here is a hardware enablement corner that we can account for with council policy in some fashion so we can market the collection of images side-by-side in the website in a reasonable manner so users find the one that works for their hardware
2026-04-22 14:40:21 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> Jef is sponsoring
2026-04-22 14:40:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aha
2026-04-22 14:41:04 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> I've already had a conversation with @bookwar and  about trading off the bootc initiative so I can take this on as sponsor
2026-04-22 14:41:11 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info @jspaleta volunteers as <del>tribute</del> Executive Sponsor for this Initiative 
2026-04-22 14:41:21 <@jflory7:fedora.im> [@jspaleta:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@jspaleta:fedora.im) Does this mean you are sponsoring three Initiatives?! 
2026-04-22 14:41:27 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> nope
2026-04-22 14:41:38 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> it means @bookwar has signed up to take over for one.
2026-04-22 14:41:42 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh, this message landed late 
2026-04-22 14:41:52 <@jflory7:fedora.im> There seems to be a little bit of Matrix federation lag, I guess 
2026-04-22 14:42:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I see. So [@nimbinatus:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@nimbinatus:matrix.org) will have a new boss, as far as Fedora Council goes 😅 
2026-04-22 14:43:05 <@jflory7:fedora.im> [@nimbinatus:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@nimbinatus:matrix.org) is in the loop on this with [@bookwar:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@bookwar:fedora.im)? Do we need to do any handover? I guess we have never transferred an Initiative from sponsor to another sponsor mid-stream
2026-04-22 14:43:35 <@bookwar:fedora.im> I think we need to have a meeting and discuss it between us three
2026-04-22 14:43:42 <@churchyard:fedora.im> maybe we can figure out such details async?
2026-04-22 14:43:46 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Hmmm, I am definitely having some Matrix network issues, my client keeps showing up as offline…
2026-04-22 14:44:10 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Sorry, in multiple meetings. Jef ran this by me already, but yes, I'll find time to have a discussion with Jef Spaleta and bookwar .
2026-04-22 14:44:12 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And then I get a bunch of messages at once, suddenly 🤔 Not sure if this is only me 
2026-04-22 14:44:25 <@jflory7:fedora.im> OK. This can be an action item. 
2026-04-22 14:44:25 <@bookwar:fedora.im> I haven't been initiative lead before so there is something for me to learn, but it would be better for me to learn it with the Image Mode intiiative than to pick up the AI intitiative :)
2026-04-22 14:44:40 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Sure. Do we feel ready to vote now on this Initiative?
2026-04-22 14:44:58 <@jflory7:fedora.im> No worries, thanks for confirming! Wanted to make sure you were in the loop was all. 
2026-04-22 14:45:14 <@churchyard:fedora.im> as said I am generally +1, but not sure if it meets all formal criteria, if any
2026-04-22 14:45:17 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Regarding the proposal, my one discussion point is that we need to discuss (perhaps during the initiative; I don't think this is a blocker) is how this proposed Atomic Desktop will be built and maintained
2026-04-22 14:45:25 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> That's what we're in the middle of with the Atomic Initiative
2026-04-22 14:45:43 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> You thought you were done with me..... but you are note
2026-04-22 14:45:44 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> It needs to be integrated with the other work we're doing
2026-04-22 14:46:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> How about we postpone the official vote until the Executive Sponsor stuff is sorted out? And ideally, I'd like to see this on a Wiki page too. All of our initiatives are tracked as Wiki pages at the moment. We should continue to do this until we transition to Docs 
2026-04-22 14:46:21 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I knew better
2026-04-22 14:46:26 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This gives an action to Laura, Aleksandra, Jef, and Gordon from now to our next meeting 
2026-04-22 14:46:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Then, we can formally cast the vote in two weeks from now, and hopefully have some of the support pieces figured out in terms of who is engaging where. 
2026-04-22 14:46:57 <@jflory7:fedora.im> How does that sound? 
2026-04-22 14:47:37 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !halp How will we build and maintain Atomic Desktops as part of this Initiative? 
2026-04-22 14:47:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'm thinking we hold off and assign some action items for now! 
2026-04-22 14:48:13 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> That's what my initiative is working on.
2026-04-22 14:48:15 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Phew, this Matrix lag is bad, I just got 12 messages at once 😅 
2026-04-22 14:48:36 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I want to make sure that this new proposal isn't trying to reinvent what we're doing, and integrates with the current build work
2026-04-22 14:48:41 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Oh yeah, saw that. Its better to hold off the vote then until we get these details sorted out. Thx.
2026-04-22 14:48:42 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh, did I misunderstand your feedback on the AI Remix? Or do you mean an Image Mode desktop for the AI Remix? 
2026-04-22 14:48:45 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aha 
2026-04-22 14:49:03 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> copy to wiki should be easy. Is it fair to say that the council seems to hold a generally positive view of the proposal?
2026-04-22 14:49:20 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Yes, if there were strong objections, I think you would have heard them by now! 
2026-04-22 14:49:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Let me summarize and actionize
2026-04-22 14:49:30 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> I'll schedule a sync 
2026-04-22 14:49:58 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !action @gordonmessmer Convert the main proposal text from a Fedora Discussion post into MediaWiki as an Initiative Wiki page proposal. Use past Initiatives as an example. 
2026-04-22 14:50:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !action @jspaleta Organize a handover meeting with @bookwar and @nimbinatus on handing over the Bootc Initiative from Jef to Aleksandra 
2026-04-22 14:50:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !action @gordonmessmer @jspaleta Formalize Executive Sponsor role in the Initiative proposal 
2026-04-22 14:51:43 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !idea A more defined timeline with success criteria for milestones would be helpful. What work needs to happen by when? How do we know if the Initiative is on track or at risk? 
2026-04-22 14:52:04 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I defintely don't want to reinvent anything. :) The current builds have been based on https://pagure.io/workstation-ostree-config (where I submitted many patches a few weeks ago) and Timothée's gitlab CI. happy to rebase the process to align with image mode work, going forward.
2026-04-22 14:53:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !agreed Deferred to the next Fedora Council meeting for a vote. This allows time for the Bootc Initiative handover and for the Council Executive Sponsor (i.e., Jef) to coordinate with Gordon on the final text to present to the Council on Wednesday, 6 May 2026.
2026-04-22 14:53:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think I've covered all of the main points. 
2026-04-22 14:53:30 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Was anything missed? 
2026-04-22 14:53:36 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Do we all feel like the next steps are clear? 
2026-04-22 14:53:47 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Speak now, or hold your peace for two weeks 😄 
2026-04-22 14:54:28 <@churchyard:fedora.im> it only took us 53 minutes to postpone this to next week(s) :D
2026-04-22 14:54:39 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Hah. 
2026-04-22 14:54:47 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Well, I hope folks feel like they had a chance to ask questions 
2026-04-22 14:54:58 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And if not, the door is open for async engagement ahead of the next Council meeting 
2026-04-22 14:55:10 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I just hope that nobody will think this feels like a surprise when we vote for real in the next meeting. 
2026-04-22 14:55:16 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> We were able to get through the action items too in the meanwhile, so that counts I guess
2026-04-22 14:55:16 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Not all stormy clouds and stuff
2026-04-22 14:55:18 <@jflory7:fedora.im> It should not be, at this point! 
2026-04-22 14:55:46 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !topic Open floor 
2026-04-22 14:55:53 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think there was a natural lapse there to transition. 
2026-04-22 14:56:09 <@jflory7:fedora.im> [@jspaleta:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@jspaleta:fedora.im) Do you want to do a lightning pitch for your ticket? About the innovation Lifecycle? 
2026-04-22 14:56:34 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> Sure. Pleae read over the wiki draft.. its a refinement relative to the draft discussion
2026-04-22 14:57:04 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> if it looks good give me a soft +1. I want to put it forward for formal discussion period as per normal process
2026-04-22 14:57:22 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> if it doesnt.. throw a suggestion for improvement my way
2026-04-22 14:57:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I am a soft +1, as long as the actions discussed today are followed through in two weeks, I don't see objections. The LTS kernel thing is interesting but this meeting is not the place to get into the details of that 
2026-04-22 14:58:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Wait, brainfog
2026-04-22 14:58:38 <@jflory7:fedora.im> You mean the innovation lifecycle, which I just asked you to explain 😅 
2026-04-22 14:59:13 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'll take a look at the lifecycle innovation soon, hopefully before my time off, but AHHHHH Friday release party!! That's consuming the oxygen in my blood 😂 
2026-04-22 14:59:22 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> soft +1 in the ticket is also fine.. not now in the meeting.  I'd like to know if there is enough consensus to start the formal discusison period leading to a vote
2026-04-22 14:59:30 <@churchyard:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jspaleta/Drafts/FedoraInnovationLifecycle
2026-04-22 14:59:32 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh, yah, and worth noting I am on PTO all of next week 
2026-04-22 14:59:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info Justin will be on PTO all of next week, from 27 April to 1 May
2026-04-22 15:00:05 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jspaleta/Drafts/FedoraInnovationLifecycle 
2026-04-22 15:00:33 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We are at the hour! 
2026-04-22 15:00:36 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Anything else, folks? 
2026-04-22 15:00:39 <@churchyard:fedora.im> I need my 30 minutes, see you!
2026-04-22 15:00:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Thanks for being here, see you! 👋🏻 
2026-04-22 15:01:03 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think this is a good indicator that it is time to wrap. 
2026-04-22 15:01:09 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Thanks folks for your time and attention. 
2026-04-22 15:01:14 <@jflory7:fedora.im> See you next time! 
2026-04-22 15:01:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !endmeeting