15:09:54 #startmeeting design-team 15:09:55 Meeting started Thu Nov 17 15:09:54 2016 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:09:55 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:09:55 The meeting name has been set to 'design-team' 15:09:55 meetbot.meeting.start -- duffy started meeting "design-team" in #fedora-design 15:10:17 at work... headed into a meeting. can check in throughout. 15:10:22 coolio 15:10:26 #topic roll call 15:10:26 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "roll call" in #fedora-design 15:10:29 .hello duffy 15:10:29 mizmo: duffy 'Máirín Duffy' 15:10:51 .hello mleonova 15:10:52 mleonova_mtg: mleonova 'Maria Leonova' 15:11:50 #topic open floor 15:11:50 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "open floor" in #fedora-design 15:11:55 anything we should discuss?? 15:12:18 K_REY_C has been working on some tickets, he is new to the team, want to shoutout a welcome to him :) 15:12:38 welcome K_REY_C =) 15:12:42 We also have Salva who is a designer from Spain who did an intro on the list, he isn't able to make this meeting but will be reading thru the minutes after :) 15:12:54 great! 15:13:20 Howdy. 15:13:37 we also had Edilberto reach out on the list but his post was in Spanish, I don't know if anybody speaks Spanish who could help him 15:14:00 I will send him a message 15:14:12 One other thing that happened recently 15:14:26 we made a last minute update to the F25 wallpaper to try to remove the gradient banding in it 15:14:49 depending on your monitor/screen, it was more or less noticeable, the improvements don't remove it entirely but it's definitely less noticeable on all screens now 15:14:54 mizmo, how did you do it in the end? 15:14:55 there's a few things at play - 15:15:12 this is the bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/180693 15:15:20 i guess inkscape creates gradients in 8 bit or did at one point 15:15:53 i did have a brief tweet exchange with Ted from the inkscape team - https://twitter.com/tedjgould/status/799011156128104448 15:16:10 so some of the things that caused it: 15:16:13 - transparency in the gradients 15:16:19 - multiple transparent gradients layered on top of each other 15:16:41 - closeness of color in the gradients (the closer two colors are in a gradient, the more likely banding will happen. if you make a rainbow gradient it's super difficult to get banding) 15:16:49 what i ended up doing to address it - 15:17:20 i removed all of the background transparent gradients behind the main design. i replaced them with one single radial gradient that went from one blue shade to another. 15:17:44 it unfortunately strips the background of some of the more dynamic shading that mshakshober had put into it, but it made it so the background bands weren't interfering with the main design bands 15:17:55 so removing transparency from gradients is a clear step to improve such situations 15:18:07 mizmo, it 15:18:20 is great how you got to the bottom of the problem! 15:18:42 good to know for the future works 15:18:43 i tried a bunch of tricks suggested in the inkscape bug, creating inkscape filters to apply gaussian blur and noise, but in the end they didn't seem to help too much 15:19:26 i also tried pulling the image in gimp and doing some rubber stamping and smudging. smudging would not even work unless i added HSV noise first. the results were inconsistent and made a mess of the image IMHO 15:19:34 so i think the background replacement was the best way 15:20:09 #info for the F25 background, the most effective technique to remove gradient banding was to replace the background layers of transparent gradients with a single full opacity radial gradient BG 15:20:10 meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "for the F25 background, the most effective technique to remove gradient banding was to replace the background layers of transparent gradients with a single full opacity radial gradient BG" 15:20:36 if i had more time i would have played with the gradient mesh feature to try to emulate mshakshober's original background 15:20:42 as ted indicated, that is different code so i wonder if it is more or less subject to banding 15:20:53 #idea experiment with gradient mesh feature to see if banding is more or less prominent in gradients using that code path 15:20:53 meetbot.meeting.item.idea -- duffy proposed an idea in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "experiment with gradient mesh feature to see if banding is more or less prominent in gradients using that code path" 15:21:21 one final thing i think is i'd like to see inkscape improved so we didn't have this issue. i'm not really sure how to do that, but certainly i think uploading the most affected version of our wallpaper source to that original ticket to help 15:21:44 #action mizmo to upload source of original f25 background to inkscape ticket to see if it can help inkscape team address banding issue 15:21:45 meetbot.meeting.item.action -- duffy noted an action in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "mizmo to upload source of original f25 background to inkscape ticket to see if it can help inkscape team address banding issue" 15:21:55 Can a fix be funded somehow to incentivizing? 15:23:20 i'd be happy to kick in some of my own money but we'd need developer support, whether it was mentoring a student to fix this as a bounty kind of thing or some other framework for getting it done 15:23:59 Krita has had an interesting funding/feature request model lately. 15:24:26 K_REY_C: oh! i'm not familiar, how do they run it? 15:24:54 i wonder if we could even do some kind of fund raiser. i just wouldn't want to shove something down the dev's throats, you know, apply pressure to them if they aren't consenting 15:24:54 GoFundMe or Kickstarter. Feature requests are stretch goals. 15:25:02 Agreed. 15:25:35 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/krita/krita-2016-lets-make-text-and-vector-art-awesome 15:25:36 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- K_REY_C[m] linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/krita/krita-2016-lets-make-text-and-vector-art-awesome" 15:25:52 maybe ill message the inkscape dev list, ask them what they would think about a gofundme or kickstarter for addressing the bug, offer to do some fundraising for it, and cite krita as a model we're looking at? see if they're willing to give it a try? 15:26:11 That'd be great 15:26:35 #action mizmo to reach out to inkscape dev list and see what they think about a fundraiser for gradient banding issue 15:26:35 meetbot.meeting.item.action -- duffy noted an action in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "mizmo to reach out to inkscape dev list and see what they think about a fundraiser for gradient banding issue" 15:26:39 coolio 15:27:03 im trying to skim thru last meeting's minutes too to see if anything else needs attention 15:27:33 Gotta check out now. Will read over later. 15:27:33 ah pgpattison was working on animation 15:27:41 * mizmo waves to K_REY_C 15:27:45 pgpattison: are you around? 15:28:09 i wonder if salva could help with the animation bc of his experience 15:28:16 maybe ill try to hook you guys up later 15:28:35 the final item from the last meeting perhaps worth mentioning - i did file a pagure ticket for increasing the 4 MB limit on tickets for us 15:29:15 and pingou has helped us out here :) https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/5555 15:29:28 so we're good on that. attaching larger assets to our tickets is now possible 15:29:39 #info pingou increased our limit on design team ticket attachments so we can now attach larger files 15:29:39 meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "pingou increased our limit on design team ticket attachments so we can now attach larger files" 15:29:40 okay 15:29:49 if there isn't anything else i'll jump to ticket triage 15:30:22 #topic ticket triage 15:30:23 meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "ticket triage" in #fedora-design 15:30:24 https://pagure.io/design/issues 15:30:24 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issues" 15:30:43 https://pagure.io/design/issue/490 ok im gonna close this one, it's the wallpaper banding one 15:30:44 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/490 ok im gonna close this one, it's the wallpaper banding one" https://pagure.io/design/issue/490 15:31:07 im not sure if it'll be a 0day or in GA 15:31:18 but it's there :) 15:31:29 https://pagure.io/design/issue/489 15:31:29 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/489" 15:31:39 this one is F25 Media Artwork 15:32:11 mshakshober has been working on this one. She was stuck on getting pantone colors for the label. i've been helping her out over email. (the pantone swatches are actually embedded in the label scribus template. not that this is documented anywhere.) 15:32:21 #idea we need better documentation for using pantone in scribus templates on our wiki 15:32:21 meetbot.meeting.item.idea -- duffy proposed an idea in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "we need better documentation for using pantone in scribus templates on our wiki" 15:32:33 https://pagure.io/design/issue/488 15:32:33 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/488" 15:32:42 Issue #488: Create images for L10N roles - design - Pagure 15:32:47 mleonova_mtg: this one is yours, anything to report? 15:33:03 mizmo, I contacted ticket author for more details 15:33:21 or maybe you can help clarify? 15:33:48 looks like more L10N related -- what does it mean exactly? 15:34:02 so I asked for some direction 15:34:21 oh I see the answer is there :D 15:34:29 localization! 15:34:39 i think these roles are also part of how zanata works 15:34:51 yeah, all good then, he just commented 9 hour ago 15:35:03 cool so you have what you need! 15:35:08 yup 15:35:22 the only issue is pagure smt doesn't post the comment 15:35:39 and you wouldn't know unless you check 15:35:44 mleonova_mtg: yeh :( it's slow sometimes or doesn't work at all. i always copy paste so it doesn't get eaten / lost 15:35:54 yep 15:36:06 mailman.receive -- On the design-team list, jflory7 replied to '[Design-team] Re: Fedora Badges Meeting 11/2/16' https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/F4FPRNEDD4UM4YYAORJXJTQOPSWYMWCX/ 15:36:11 mizmo, that's what I do now, too =) 15:36:40 okay lets see next ticket 15:36:41 https://pagure.io/design/issue/486 15:36:41 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/486" 15:36:54 Issue #486: Request of mockups for targeted Marketing message related to the Fedora upgrade. - design - Pagure 15:37:00 this ist he animation ticket pgpattison and it looks like M1C4HTRON13 are working on 15:37:42 pgpattison uploaded his storyboard https://github.com/pgpattison/f25-upgrade-promo/blob/master/Storyboards/fedora_upgrade_storyboard.pdf 15:38:04 oh damn! check out this motion graphic M1C4HTRON13 did! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6n-2t9aUoM&feature=youtu.be 15:38:47 wow! 15:38:53 i think this is a version for the ending of the animation https://pagure.io/design/issue/raw/files/405da7ae3c469b5111d63af098c7cfebf45cb8155dfd31e26e69be34a6a10789-0001-0138.mp4 15:38:56 yeh srsly! 15:39:10 nice!! 15:40:59 ok im checking in with him on the ticket - a lot of the inkscape assets he's looknig for are in badges already so i can pull them out for him 15:40:59 okay next ticket 15:41:15 https://pagure.io/design/issue/485 15:41:15 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/485" 15:41:15 Poster design for Fedora 25 Release Parties 15:42:20 looks like this one is done! 15:42:24 i'll close it 15:43:07 https://pagure.io/design/issue/484 15:43:07 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/484" 15:43:11 #484 Redesign the easyfix page 15:43:57 no updates for a few days. i asked for updates in ticket - i think ryanlerch will be running the APAC design team meeting soon so hopefully will get to it then 15:44:16 https://pagure.io/design/issue/483 15:44:17 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/483" 15:44:56 #483 Help design a new release validation testing system 15:45:00 kathryng has this one, will ask for an update 15:45:43 https://pagure.io/design/issue/482 15:45:43 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/482" 15:45:49 Artwork for Fedora keyboard sticker 15:46:09 hasn't been any activity for a month, asking for an update. 15:46:26 https://pagure.io/design/issue/481 15:46:26 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/481" 15:46:36 Issue #481: Pagure migration - design - Pagure 15:46:42 we done! thanks M1C4HTRON13 for rocking this one! 15:46:44 * mizmo closes fixed 15:47:04 pagure.issue.comment.added -- duffy commented on ticket design#481: "Pagure migration" https://pagure.io/design/issue/481#comment-42933 15:47:11 pagure.issue.comment.added -- duffy commented on ticket design#481: "Pagure migration" https://pagure.io/design/issue/481#comment-42934 15:47:12 pagure.issue.edit -- duffy edited the close_status and status fields of ticket design#481 https://pagure.io/design/issue/481 15:47:15 https://pagure.io/design/issue/480 15:47:15 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/480" 15:47:23 Issue #480: Logo for "Fedora Playground" - design - Pagure 15:48:19 * mizmo looking thru the designs 15:48:39 https://pagure.io/design/issue/raw/files/887b39a9781e13210519a4a80f6ac6dd50f1a51a0fbd3f03a6443fcba900e244-fedora_playground_logo_v04a.png 15:48:39 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/raw/files/887b39a9781e13210519a4a80f6ac6dd50f1a51a0fbd3f03a6443fcba900e244-fedora_playground_logo_v04a.png" 15:48:45 what do you think about this design mleonova_mtg? 15:48:55 * mleonova_mtg is looking 15:50:01 the red color of stamp suggest something like cancelled or declined 15:50:28 other than that it's alright, if in line with the initial idea =) 15:51:18 yeh... maybe the fedora magenta color would be better 15:51:22 we dont really have a red brand color 15:51:29 ok lemme write that up in the ticket 15:51:49 ok, cool 15:57:52 okay i spent some time on that lol 15:58:00 interesting the bot isn't updating the channel with the ticket changes 15:58:02 * mizmo hopes they went thur 15:58:06 mizmo, great comment tho ;) 15:58:34 \o/ 15:58:38 let'sd o one more ticket then wrap up 15:58:48 https://pagure.io/design/issue/478 15:58:48 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/478" 15:58:57 Mockups for fedora websites workstation download page with usb writer 15:59:16 huh, i don't remember what happened with this one. ill look into it. 15:59:20 okay 15:59:22 i think that's about it 15:59:47 #info for design APAC team, we left off on #478 so you'd want to start triage on #477. 15:59:48 meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "for design APAC team, we left off on #478 so you'd want to start triage on #477." 15:59:50 cool 15:59:52 thanks everybody for coming! 15:59:55 #endmeeting