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18:30:46 <darknao> #topic Roll call
18:30:48 <darknao> #chair pboy darknao pbokoc py0xc3[m]
18:30:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: darknao pbokoc pboy py0xc3[m]
18:31:02 <pboy> .hi
18:31:03 <zodbot> pboy: pboy 'Peter Boy' <pboy@uni-bremen.de>
18:31:26 <darknao> hey everyone
18:31:27 <hankuoffroadPTO2> .hello hankuoffroad
18:31:28 <zodbot> hankuoffroadPTO2: hankuoffroad 'None' <allegrovelo@gmail.com>
18:32:21 <hankuoffroadPTO2> hi
18:34:01 <darknao> #topic Agenda
18:34:06 <darknao> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/docs-meeting-agenda-2023-04-05/80491
18:34:08 <darknao> #info Announcements
18:34:11 <darknao> #info Global ticket review
18:34:13 <darknao> #info Quick docs update
18:34:15 <darknao> #info Open Floor
18:34:58 <darknao> I've seen your post hankuoffroadPTO2, we can review that topic in Open Floor. Is that ok?
18:35:06 <hankuoffroadPTO2> sure
18:35:10 <darknao> great
18:35:30 <darknao> #topic Announcements
18:35:34 <darknao> #info F38 Final freeze is underway
18:35:37 <darknao> #info F38 target date is in 2 weeks (2023-04-18)
18:35:39 <darknao> #info We use GitLab to track work: https://gitlab.com/groups/fedora/docs/-/boards
18:35:48 <darknao> anything to add to that list?
18:36:28 <darknao> alright, moving on then
18:36:38 <darknao> #topic Global ticket review
18:36:46 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/groups/fedora/docs/-/issues/?sort=created_asc&state=opened&first_page_size=20
18:36:51 <darknao> so, let's see...
18:37:13 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/fedora-linux-documentation/fedora-linux-sysadmin-guide/-/issues/8
18:37:32 <darknao> that doesn't seems to be related to doc
18:37:51 <darknao> and pboy, you already answered here
18:37:56 <darknao> so I think we can just close it
18:38:05 <darknao> agree?
18:38:20 <pboy> agreed
18:38:41 <hankuoffroadPTO2> yes
18:38:50 <darknao> cool
18:38:53 <darknao> next one
18:38:56 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/community-tools/documentation-contributors-guide/-/issues/21
18:38:57 <pboy> Oh, we both closed it at the same time. you won. :-)
18:39:07 <darknao> ahah :)
18:39:32 <darknao> hankuoffroadPTO2: you are working on that one it seems?
18:39:42 <hankuoffroadPTO2> darknao: I self-assigned me
18:39:53 <pboy> It's an important issue, IMHO
18:40:01 <darknao> ok, so I will flag it as "in progress"
18:40:09 <hankuoffroadPTO2> darknao: yes I aim to share a draft in next weeks.
18:40:25 <darknao> good
18:40:32 <hankuoffroadPTO2> darknao: yes
18:41:05 <darknao> is there anything you need from us?
18:42:18 <hankuoffroadPTO2> darknao: maybe in next two weeks, I'll post a skeleton version with bullets so you can understand where I'm coming from and easier for contributors to use it as a signpost.
18:42:41 <hankuoffroadPTO2> darknao: no, not now. I'm busy with video tutorial
18:42:46 <darknao> ok, let us know if you need anything
18:42:57 <hankuoffroadPTO2> darknao: thanks
18:42:58 <darknao> next one is
18:43:04 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/ui-bundle/-/issues/7
18:44:06 <darknao> I think the problem is quite well described here, should be easy to fix I think
18:44:15 <pboy> In general, I think it works. And other task are more important.
18:44:38 <darknao> sure
18:44:55 <darknao> flagged as `good first issue` and `minor change`
18:44:59 <hankuoffroadPTO2> i had that impression that too - I missed scroll bar sometimes
18:45:03 <pboy> +1
18:45:18 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/pages/-/issues/21
18:45:21 <darknao> hmmm
18:45:25 <darknao> well, spam
18:45:39 <hankuoffroadPTO2> oh dear
18:45:55 <pboy> Hos is that posible?
18:46:20 <pboy> can you delete it?
18:46:31 <pboy> not just close
18:46:32 <hankuoffroadPTO2> there is an option to report abuse to administrator, so I think it will block the user
18:46:47 <darknao> reported, and closed
18:47:19 <darknao> and that's all for tickets
18:47:34 <darknao> let's take a quick look at MRs
18:47:38 <hankuoffroadPTO2> are the users not linked to FAS prone to spammer?
18:48:01 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/groups/fedora/docs/-/merge_requests
18:48:11 <darknao> I don't think you need a fas account to create issue here
18:48:43 <hankuoffroadPTO2> darknao: understood
18:48:54 <darknao> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/ui-bundle/-/merge_requests/6
18:50:09 <hankuoffroadPTO2> it seems well-spotted for rendering issue
18:50:47 <pboy> It looks nice and useful.
18:50:48 <darknao> Not sure I understand what is described in this ticket, but the changes seems ok
18:51:47 <darknao> a before/after would have been helpful I guess
18:51:51 <pboy> It is a horizontral description list instead of the description nex line/paragraph.
18:52:50 <darknao> anyway, seems good to me
18:52:55 <darknao> agree to merge?
18:53:03 <pboy> yes
18:53:08 <copperi[m]> +1
18:53:10 <hankuoffroadPTO2> darknao: that's reasonable to follow the practice. well noted.
18:53:20 <pboy> And add to our doku!
18:53:43 <hankuoffroadPTO2> pboy: you mean contributor guide??
18:53:51 <pboy> Yes
18:53:59 <pboy> asciidoc hints
18:54:07 <hankuoffroadPTO2> no prob. Will do
18:54:14 <pboy> +1!
18:55:10 <hankuoffroadPTO2> pboy: especially helpful to demonstrate visual differences
18:55:24 <pboy> yes, indeed
18:55:48 <darknao> so that was the last PR to review, let's move to the next topic
18:56:03 <darknao> #topic Quick docs update
18:56:13 <darknao> anything on that front?
18:56:55 <pboy> I contacted @t0xic0der directly regarding 571 and he had a look at it
18:57:03 <hankuoffroadPTO2> no I haven't contributed to QuickDocs recently. Can't comment
18:57:53 <pboy> I made some minor contributions, but couldn't systematize it.
18:58:09 <pboy> Server F38 was too much work.
18:58:26 <pboy> but now it is freeze.
18:58:42 <pboy> So can can do more work with docs now
18:59:33 <hankuoffroadPTO2> pboy: just nitpick, but posting terminal screen is bizarre
18:59:58 <pboy> Yes it is. but nevertheless, sometimes helpfull
19:00:34 <pboy> But it is much work in case of an update
19:00:41 <hankuoffroadPTO2> if output is required, then text form is more than enough
19:01:20 <pboy> Yesd, for users with some experience. For newbies?
19:02:18 <hankuoffroadPTO2> pboy: it depends :)
19:02:35 <pboy> :-)
19:04:44 <darknao> ok anything else or should we move to open floor?
19:04:58 <pboy> nothing from me
19:04:58 <hankuoffroadPTO2> no from me
19:05:06 <darknao> ok, open floor it is
19:05:08 <darknao> #topic Open Floor
19:05:43 <hankuoffroadPTO2> cool
19:05:54 <hankuoffroadPTO2> https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/community-tools/documentation-contributors-guide/-/snippets/2503787
19:06:32 <hankuoffroadPTO2> it is a long document about the Web IDE tutorial in video version
19:08:34 <pboy> At a first sight, I like it.
19:08:39 <darknao> thanks for working on this hankuoffroadPTO2
19:08:59 <darknao> hankuoffroad++
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19:09:11 <pboy> IT's long, but that is compensated by a good structure.
19:09:34 <hankuoffroadPTO2> it was well worth my efforts, thanks. I'll recommend Web IDE to anyone now.
19:10:28 <hankuoffroadPTO2> Screen recording is next. I have created PeerTube account in linux channel, so it is fully FOSS
19:11:14 <pboy> Fully FOSS, very good!
19:11:22 <hankuoffroadPTO2> pboy: because it is semi-video script (not even written in full sentence yet) so I can layer text onto screen
19:12:28 <pboy> Yes, I see
19:12:48 <hankuoffroadPTO2> Thanks for your guidance that helped me learn and do more.
19:13:42 <pboy> Thank you, too, for all the progress we made, despite our small number of people.
19:14:15 <hankuoffroadPTO2> I hope video can appeal to new generation of visual learners
19:14:42 <hankuoffroadPTO2> the more people, the better the outcome will be
19:15:23 <pboy> The other saying is :
19:15:30 <pboy> Many cooks spoil the broth
19:15:39 <hankuoffroadPTO2> pboy: darknao and other members made me stretch my comfort zone.
19:15:43 <pboy> (or so)
19:16:06 <hankuoffroadPTO2> pboy: ah that's another meaning in English
19:16:35 <hankuoffroadPTO2> pboy: i take it as a joke with German twist :)
19:16:37 <pboy> OK, my German background
19:17:00 <pboy> hankuoffroadPTO2 yes, indead
19:17:04 <pboy> indeed
19:18:06 <hankuoffroadPTO2> hi catcream_
19:19:15 <hankuoffroadPTO2> that's all from me
19:19:51 <pboy> Just a question: Does someone know about Flock 2023?
19:19:59 <pboy> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-council-tickets-ticket-426-flock-2023-finalize-dates-and-venue-for-our-next-in-person-contributor-conference/44620
19:20:14 <hankuoffroadPTO2> oh it is going to be n Cork. I can't go
19:20:25 <pboy> It it will happen, we should do something as docs team.
19:20:52 <pboy> hankuoffroadPTO2 Another idea was Madring / Barcelona.
19:20:57 <darknao> #link https://flocktofedora.org/
19:21:06 <hankuoffroadPTO2> i don't think streaming or virtual session will be done at the same time. it is fully in person event this time
19:21:10 <darknao> we have the location and the date
19:22:50 <pboy> Cork is Irish republic, isn't it?
19:23:06 <hankuoffroadPTO2> my personal travel budget has stretched to the limit this year. yes Irelands
19:23:44 <hankuoffroadPTO2> are you interested to join in person?
19:23:58 <pboy> Yes, I am.
19:24:19 <pboy> Budget is a problem, will see.
19:24:51 <hankuoffroadPTO2> flight is cheap from UK, but hotel and everything else is not
19:25:27 <pboy> Yeah, specifically "everything else"
19:25:55 <hankuoffroadPTO2> pboy: just returned from Easter holiday (after 3 years of non travel) and will do another trip to Europe, But I'll do what I can support remotely
19:26:25 <pboy> Good to know.
19:27:24 <hankuoffroadPTO2> I think Docs need more online presence such as tutorial and Classroom session. Flocks agenda is heavily focused on other topics which are overcrowded.
19:28:42 <hankuoffroadPTO2> well that's my view.
19:28:44 <pboy> I agree. But additionally, we should promote the need for documentation among developers.
19:28:55 <hankuoffroadPTO2> agree
19:30:07 <hankuoffroadPTO2> pboy: true because our toolchain is same as deveopers
19:30:43 <pboy> Yeah, that's one side of the coin.
19:31:03 <darknao> alright, meeting is over, we are out of time. Thanks everyone for coming, see you all next week!
19:31:09 <darknao> and happy easter :)
19:31:11 <hankuoffroadPTO2> thanks
19:31:21 <darknao> #endmeeting