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18:30:58 <pboy> #topic Roll call
18:31:08 <pboy> Welcome everyone
18:31:17 <pboy> Welcome everyone
18:31:17 <pboy> Let's wait some minutes for everyone to show up.
18:31:27 <py0xc3naatMatrix> .hello py0xc3
18:31:27 <hankuoffroad[m]> .hello hankuoffroad
18:31:28 <zodbot> py0xc3naatMatrix: py0xc3 'Christopher Klooz' <py0xc3@my.mail.de>
18:31:31 <zodbot> hankuoffroad[m]: hankuoffroad 'Hank Lee' <allegrovelo@gmail.com>
18:31:58 <ChristopherBush[> .hello riddled
18:31:59 <zodbot> ChristopherBush[: riddled 'Christopher Bush' <cdbush1002@gmail.com>
18:33:07 <pboy> Welcome  py0xc3naatMatrix, hankuoffroad[m], ChristopherBush
18:33:20 <ChristopherBush[> Thank you.
18:33:25 <py0xc3naatMatrix> Thx
18:33:55 <pboy> Well, let's start.
18:34:10 <pboy> #chair pboy darknao pbokoc py0xc3 hankuoffroad[m]
18:34:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: darknao hankuoffroad[m] pbokoc pboy py0xc3
18:34:19 <pboy> #topic Agenda
18:34:27 <pboy> #info Action item followup & Announcements
18:34:36 <pboy> #info Track progress
18:34:48 <pboy> #info Open floor
18:35:21 <pboy> I think, we discussed about the agenda topics.
18:36:33 <pboy> But @ChristopherBush[ a special welcome, can we anything do for you? Any question?  (Without wanting to press you)
18:38:02 <ChristopherBush[> I am wanting to contribute to Fedora, I just don't know where yet.  I have narrowed it down to Documentation, Website, and Design.  I am attending meetings to see where I want to go although I am not sure how to join.
18:38:28 <pboy> Oh jo
18:38:40 <pboy> joioning is easy.
18:39:08 <pboy> But OK, we'll start with our usual business and can talk about options to contribute later.
18:39:18 <ChristopherBush[> ok
18:39:23 <pboy> topic 1. Action item followup & Announcements
18:39:31 <pboy> #topic 1. Action item followup & Announcements
18:39:43 <pboy> #info Still in progress: Removal of outdated installation guide, @pboy
18:40:03 <pboy> I have this planned for July.
18:40:22 <pboy> Right now I'm pretty booked up.
18:41:01 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: could you remind us all of (not now) which pages are earmarked for deletion before it happens?
18:41:01 <pboy> Anything else specifically in backlog? (besides all the things we are discussing daily)
18:41:59 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: not that I recall
18:42:04 <pboy> hankuoffroad[m] Yeah, I'll bring it up before any change. Basically, it is the complete old installation guide
18:42:37 <pboy> this one: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f36/install-guide/
18:42:44 <pboy> completely
18:43:24 <pboy> We still get irritated inquiries about it because it is found in Google.
18:43:37 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: makes sense. it was discussed at length from 2022 and we reached a conclusion.
18:43:46 <pboy> Well, announcements
18:43:58 <pboy> #info This year we'll have a in-person Flock again, after 3 years.
18:44:07 <pboy> #link https://flocktofedora.org
18:44:24 <pboy> We'll discuss that specifialyy in next topic
18:44:37 <pboy> Anything else to announce?
18:44:57 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: not from me
18:45:05 <pboy> OK, then
18:45:07 <pboy> #topic 2. Track progress
18:45:17 <pboy> #link  https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/docs-meeting-agenda-2023-06-14-utc-18-30/84140
18:45:46 <pboy> hankuoffroad[m] ,many many thanks for your initaitive!
18:46:05 <pboy> Let's start with Flock.
18:46:57 <pboy> I'll attend. Do we have a chance to meet docs team members?
18:47:13 <hankuoffroad[m]> maybe need to share the link for all?
18:47:54 <pboy> Good idea, probably let's post it in our Matrix rooom?
18:48:01 <hankuoffroad[m]> * for all? pboy
18:48:30 <hankuoffroad[m]> here you go - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/docs-meeting-agenda-2023-06-14-utc-18-30/84140
18:49:39 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: i'm tempted to meet fellow members in person away from nickname, and keyboard battle)
18:50:25 <pboy> Hm, yes, what does it means practically? I seem to be lost here a bit
18:51:07 <hankuoffroad[m]> A chance for me to go Flock is very slim.
18:51:26 <pboy> Yeah, unfortunately
18:51:37 <hankuoffroad[m]> But I will help preparing anything for you.
18:51:49 <pboy> Chris, what about you
18:51:53 <pboy> ?
18:52:09 <ChristopherBush[> It's in ireland isn't it?
18:52:20 <pboy> hankuoffroad[m] Yews, let's continue what we started with release party
18:52:29 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: to both Chris
18:52:38 <pboy> It's Cork, Ireland. Yes.
18:52:51 <ChristopherBush[> I will not be able to go
18:52:53 <py0xc3naatMatrix> In my case, atm, it looks like 90% that I cannot make it to Flock
18:53:16 <pboy> To both of you, what a pitty.
18:54:08 <pboy> So, I'll try to askl people on several Fedora channels. Hopefully, we can orginize an in-person meeting with some of our contributors
18:54:30 <pboy> Let's switch to Quick Docs.
18:55:35 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: it is about updating tags and categories to curate Quick Docs, right?
18:55:42 <pboy> hankuoffroad[m]  How do you plan to assign tags automatically? I suppose, it'Äs quite complicated.
18:55:50 <pboy> Yes.
18:56:10 <pboy> According to our general plan we want to drop the navigation menu
18:56:19 <pboy> and replace it with categories.
18:56:39 <pboy> And it would be great, if we would have done it until Flock
18:57:13 <hankuoffroad[m]> it is rather batch file update. okay will update more over next days.
18:57:37 <hankuoffroad[m]> * next days. I'll prioritize it if it is feasible to batch update
18:58:19 <pboy> OK, so I will postpone a manual mass update for now.
18:58:55 <pboy> Nevertheless, I will not be bored.
18:59:28 <pboy> OK, I think next subtopic
18:59:42 <pboy> Docs home page Call to action proposal
18:59:57 <pboy> That's one of our most important tasks for the next weeks.
19:00:46 <pboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/quick-docs/issue/519
19:01:46 <pboy> hankuoffroad[m] that th tickdet you linked to, but I done see something about CTA? Or do I miss something?
19:01:49 <hankuoffroad[m]> just to refresh what Call to action (CTA) is about quickly, to place banner on Docs home page showing options for Docs contributions.
19:02:13 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/documentation-landing-page-cta-call-to-action-your-feedback-is-important/81376
19:02:56 <pboy> OK, a correxcted link here:
19:03:05 <pboy> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/documentation-landing-page-cta-call-to-action-your-feedback-is-important/81376
19:03:37 <hankuoffroad[m]> as it is long thread, let me summarize it for you: I think of three representative routes to contribute on the banner.
19:05:24 <pboy> Yeah, I see. I even already contributed to the discussion. :-)
19:06:06 <pboy> I suppose, the next step is to create a first banner and publish it?
19:06:27 <pboy> Or am I too impatient?
19:07:37 <pboy> What about a CTA banner on Quick docs home page? There is plenty of room.
19:08:28 <hankuoffroad[m]> the purpose is to give signposts to potential contributors; do you want to become docs writer/reviewer? Docs UX specialist?
19:08:29 <hankuoffroad[m]> really open to suggestions as the thread is still open
19:08:29 <hankuoffroad[m]> * really open to suggestions
19:08:29 <hankuoffroad[m]> * representative routes (role-based) to contribute
19:09:10 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: that's a good starting point as most viewed content is in Quick Docs
19:09:43 <hankuoffroad[m]> Docs home pages contain 9 documentation repos, so other groups might have different opinions.
19:11:06 <pboy> Yeah, I think we should start with one of us, serving as a "role model". Other Team can see how it works.
19:11:24 <hankuoffroad[m]> i could send a reminder on the thread and maybe let people vote in Discourse
19:11:25 <pboy> And indeed, QD is a good option.
19:12:07 <pboy> so, let's continue the discussion at https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/documentation-landing-page-cta-call-to-action-your-feedback-is-important/81376/7 with a focus on QD.
19:12:24 <pboy> Or should we split?
19:12:26 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: ok then, sounds like a plan
19:12:56 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: we can continue on the thread 'with a focus on QD'.
19:13:03 <pboy> Next subtopic: review previous hackfest
19:13:10 <hankuoffroad[m]> just to give context where we diverged from
19:13:29 <pboy> #link  https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-docs-community-contribution-hack-fest-with-user-communities/503
19:14:41 <pboy> Ididn't know either. It's really new to me
19:16:45 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: the plan was in person to start with and continue online
19:16:58 <hankuoffroad[m]> s/i/it/
19:17:20 <pboy> Well, let's contact him and get "izzled in" again :)
19:17:41 <pboy> yes, in-person, and there was some funding, too.
19:18:49 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: yep
19:18:58 <pboy> hankuoffroad[m] Shouldn't we invite Justin to a thread about planning the next hackfest?
19:19:21 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: that'll do
19:19:21 <py0xc3naatMatrix> I have to leave! Have a nice evening and see you in discourse ;)
19:19:45 <hankuoffroad[m]> py0xc3naatMatrix: good to see you in here and nice evening
19:20:05 <pboy> py0xc3naatMatrix>   Bye bye, nice having seen you here "in-online" again. :-=
19:20:42 <pboy> OK, next subtopic
19:20:43 <pboy> Whatcanidoforfedora website
19:20:46 <hankuoffroad[m]> we have two more topics and need room for open floor
19:21:18 <pboy> I think, we can skip this at the moment. I could make detailed plans yet. Probably in 2-3 weeks from now.
19:21:44 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: sure no rush, it can wait
19:21:47 <pboy> Same is true for next subtopic, release notes
19:21:57 <pboy> so lets switch.
19:22:08 <pboy> #topic 3. Open floor
19:22:19 <pboy> So, the floor is open.
19:23:07 <ChristopherBush[> Open floor means anybody can talk? right?
19:23:14 <pboy> Yes!
19:23:54 <ChristopherBush[> Do y'all have a link I can go to and get information on how the docs are written?
19:24:40 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: maybe Docs team page?
19:25:34 <pboy> Yes, out team page. But my browse is currently unable to open it.
19:26:14 <pboy> Is https://docs.fedoraproject.org/ down right now?
19:26:15 <hankuoffroad[m]> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-docs/contributing-docs/
19:27:05 <pboy> Can you open the page right now?
19:27:05 <hankuoffroad[m]> yes on the footer you can also see the link: Want to help? Learn how to contribute to Fedora Docs
19:27:09 <ChristopherBush[> Came up for me but took a while.
19:27:50 <pboy> Well, no look here
19:28:15 <pboy> But yes, that's the page where we explain how it works
19:28:48 <ChristopherBush[> okay thank you I have bookmarked it.
19:29:29 <pboy> ChristopherBush[  would you tend to do documentation (which is a broad field) or to do some development ?
19:31:33 <ChristopherBush[> I am leaning more heavily toward documentation.  I am learning web development right now.  I think docs would help me learn more about Fedora.  Would it be possible to help with both web and docs later on?
19:32:05 <pboy> Yes, I think it would
19:32:19 <ChristopherBush[> excellent
19:32:31 <pboy> I just see, we are overspending our time
19:32:50 <pboy> But, Additionally we have a tag (#docs-team) at discussion and use that for all kind of topics.
19:33:06 <pboy> And the same is true for Matrix and our docs room
19:33:08 <ChristopherBush[> Well it was good meeting everyone.
19:33:26 <hankuoffroad[m]> ChristopherBush[: nice to have you today
19:34:02 <pboy> Yeah, and would be great it we could continue on discussion and/or Matrix
19:34:27 <ChristopherBush[> yeah I am good with that
19:34:50 <pboy> I think we should close now before we get a "reprimand" for overdraft.
19:35:09 <pboy> So let's meet at Matrix or disussion
19:35:36 <pboy> Bye Bye  and hope to see you next week again!
19:35:38 <ChristopherBush[> goodbye, I will see y'all around.
19:35:58 <pboy> #endmeeting