18:31:10 <hankuoffroad[m]> #startmeeting docs
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18:31:36 <hankuoffroad[m]> #topic Roll call
18:31:42 <ChristopherBush[> .hello riddled
18:31:43 <zodbot> ChristopherBush[: riddled 'Christopher Bush' <cdbush1002@gmail.com>
18:32:22 <hankuoffroad[m]> .hello hankuoffroad
18:32:23 <zodbot> hankuoffroad[m]: hankuoffroad 'Hank Lee' <allegrovelo@gmail.com>
18:32:40 <hankuoffroad[m]> ChristopherBush[: hi Chris
18:33:01 <ChristopherBush[> .hello hankuoffroad
18:33:02 <zodbot> ChristopherBush[: hankuoffroad 'Hank Lee' <allegrovelo@gmail.com>
18:33:19 <hankuoffroad[m]> let's wait for a few minutes to see who is present
18:33:23 <ChristopherBush[> ok
18:34:37 <hankuoffroad[m]> this is the first time I chair the Docs meeting, so please bear with me.
18:34:48 <ChristopherBush[> ok
18:35:28 <hankuoffroad[m]> Cool, we can start
18:35:36 <ChristopherBush[> oki
18:35:42 <hankuoffroad[m]> #topic Agenda
18:36:13 <hankuoffroad[m]> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/docs-meeting-agenda-2023-06-21-utc-18-30/84463
18:36:34 <hankuoffroad[m]> let's skim through agenda for a bit.
18:38:25 <hankuoffroad[m]> we can come back to each topic after announcement.
18:38:44 <hankuoffroad[m]> #info Announcements
18:40:00 <hankuoffroad[m]> before we go through agenda, is there any announcements to make?
18:40:21 <ChristopherBush[> I dont have any
18:41:50 <hankuoffroad[m]> cool, let's go to each topic, then.
18:41:56 <ChristopherBush[> oki
18:42:09 <hankuoffroad[m]> #info Tickets review
18:42:52 <hankuoffroad[m]> there is no ticket flagged for the meeting on GitLab. There are two tickets flagged for “next meeting” on Quick Docs.
18:43:24 <hankuoffroad[m]> https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/quick-docs/issue/528
18:43:43 <hankuoffroad[m]> https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/quick-docs/issue/605
18:44:23 <ChristopherBush[> I am taking some time to learn asciidoc and antora so I will add more benefit to the team other than simple UI stuff.  I would like to tackle the "Fedora on Raspberry Pi" issue after I am done learning.
18:44:25 <hankuoffroad[m]> ah, many thanks for your MR on scrollbar width
18:45:56 <ChristopherBush[> Thank you I had fun doing it
18:46:19 <hankuoffroad[m]> ChristopherBush[: Great. I've added a few commands for installation procedure, but I think you can improve that. I gather Peter Boy opened this ticket, so please check with him about your interest.
18:46:40 <ChristopherBush[> ok
18:47:43 <hankuoffroad[m]> Raspberry Pi has active supporters in various groups - server, IoT. I ran pi server for a year, and looking for a new project. I got distracted for many things like docs automation.
18:48:37 <ChristopherBush[> Yeah i have a raspberry pi and I am running raspberry pi os right now.  I am looking to put Fedora on it.
18:48:45 <hankuoffroad[m]> ChristopherBush[: I love R Pi. I even went to a shop in Cambridge.
18:49:54 <ChristopherBush[> Now we are moving away from Pagure to exclusively GitLab? Correct?
18:49:58 <hankuoffroad[m]> ChristopherBush[: I ran Fedora server F35-F37
18:50:46 <hankuoffroad[m]> ChristopherBush[: Docs team uses two GIt forges. GitLab for Docs build and contributor pages. Pagure for Quick Docs.
18:51:16 <ChristopherBush[> Oh okay I will keep that in mind when I am looking for something to do.
18:52:24 <hankuoffroad[m]> When Antora was introduced, the key value prop was to support multi repo, which doesn't disrupt each working groups preference and ethos.
18:52:58 <ChristopherBush[> ok
18:53:49 <hankuoffroad[m]> it may be cumbersome for new starters, and there are debates whether to put everything on GItLab, but we are what we are.
18:54:23 <ChristopherBush[> It's not a problem.  I am good at adapting and overcoming lol
18:54:37 <hankuoffroad[m]> thanks for your understanding
18:55:43 <hankuoffroad[m]> by the way, you were working on the other MR in GItLab, right? It is about the size of three buttons for contributions.
18:56:24 <hankuoffroad[m]> UX is not my specialism, but there will be many people who can advise you directions.
18:56:57 <hankuoffroad[m]> https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/docs-website/ui-bundle/-/issues/6
18:58:06 <ChristopherBush[> yes, I made some space between the language button and the contributions buttons.  I also changed the color of the buttons to the same color as the header background.  These were the suggestions put up by Peter Boy.
18:58:06 <ChristopherBush[> The commit was included in the MR
18:58:17 <hankuoffroad[m]> ok was the commit added to the MR about scrollbar?
18:58:25 <ChristopherBush[> yes
18:58:47 <hankuoffroad[m]> i see. it's all applied?
18:59:11 <ChristopherBush[> Yes changes are a part of live site.
18:59:40 <hankuoffroad[m]> oh sorry, I wasn't too attentive to details. Thank you for your support.
18:59:52 <ChristopherBush[> No problem
19:00:01 <hankuoffroad[m]> could we move on to the next?
19:01:10 <hankuoffroad[m]> #info Flock Call for Proposal
19:01:38 <ChristopherBush[> ok.  I don't knwo much about this area
19:02:34 <hankuoffroad[m]> Peter Boy submitted call for proposal to host interactive workshop in Flock. Peter and I worked on the abstract and program overview.
19:03:30 <hankuoffroad[m]> We are waiting for the proposal to be accepted. I can't go, but will work with Peter and others to prep workshop.
19:04:21 <hankuoffroad[m]> the title of CfP is Fedora Docs – Share Your Knowledge and Experiences Made Easy (and Fun).
19:04:22 <ChristopherBush[> Yeah I can't go either.  Is the proposal and abstract online so I can see it?
19:05:14 <hankuoffroad[m]> ChristopherBush[: not yet. Once CfP is approved by reviewer committee, they will work on program details and make it public on Flock website.
19:05:24 <ChristopherBush[> oh ok
19:06:15 <hankuoffroad[m]> could we move on to next topic?
19:06:26 <ChristopherBush[> sure
19:06:36 <hankuoffroad[m]> #info Quick Docs Improvement
19:08:33 <hankuoffroad[m]> Metadata of Quick Docs needs bulk update before any other improvements are made. I'm in touch with experienced colleagues to write script.
19:09:20 <hankuoffroad[m]> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/mass-update-of-docs-metadata/84413
19:10:44 <hankuoffroad[m]> I'm learning by doing although it is really slow.
19:11:11 <hankuoffroad[m]> any questions or suggestions?
19:13:21 <ChristopherBush[> Yeah I think the script would be your best bet.  I can't think of a command that would work. But I am not very experienced in this sort of thing.
19:14:42 <hankuoffroad[m]> ok next one is
19:14:49 <hankuoffroad[m]> #info Role-based call to action: banner on Quick Docs home page
19:15:38 <hankuoffroad[m]> I have reminded all of on a thread opened in May - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/documentation-landing-page-cta-call-to-action-your-feedback-is-important/81376
19:15:47 <hankuoffroad[m]> we could revisit in a few weeks time.
19:16:39 <hankuoffroad[m]> no rush
19:16:53 <hankuoffroad[m]> #info Review Docs hackfest
19:18:10 <hankuoffroad[m]> we need to wait for Justin and others who were involved Docs hackfest 2018-2020 before COVID. Many are on the road for events, so let's wait for them to come back.
19:18:36 <ChristopherBush[> That sounds good.
19:18:45 <hankuoffroad[m]> what I'm trying to do is monthly virtual 'write together' event.
19:19:02 <ChristopherBush[> That's an excellent idea.
19:19:12 <ChristopherBush[> I really like it.
19:19:53 <hankuoffroad[m]> Adding to our communication mix and more collaboration, I hope
19:20:21 <ChristopherBush[> That would also be extremely helpful in getting us newcomers up to speed.
19:21:51 <hankuoffroad[m]> ChristopherBush[: absolutely, I hope interactive session will help onboarding new colleagues and existing people who are interested in Docs.
19:22:48 <hankuoffroad[m]> #topic Open floor
19:24:36 <ChristopherBush[> I noticed when I took care of the two issues I did I really upended the workflow.  So what I am going to work on this week is reading starting here: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-docs/ and learn the agreed upon workflow, and work on asciidoc and Antora.
19:25:18 <ChristopherBush[> I mean if I am going to work on the docs, I should probably read the docs lol
19:25:41 <hankuoffroad[m]> ChristopherBush[: that's good. I started reading it before I got tasks from Peter in June 2022.
19:26:12 <hankuoffroad[m]> ChristopherBush[: I like that. You are a good candidate for documentarian and more
19:27:35 <hankuoffroad[m]> ChristopherBush[: I amended contributor guides. If you find idiosyncrasies or something to improve, please make suggestions.
19:27:46 <ChristopherBush[> I sure will
19:29:32 <hankuoffroad[m]> I'll be away for holiday next week and until 7 July due to house move and holiday in Spain.
19:29:57 <ChristopherBush[> ok, will there be a meeting?
19:30:48 <hankuoffroad[m]> Peter is the chair usually and he will run it.
19:30:59 <ChristopherBush[> Oh ok
19:31:35 <hankuoffroad[m]> thanks for coming and your first contributions!
19:31:38 <hankuoffroad[m]> #endmeeting